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Post by aghast on Jul 16, 2017 19:48:29 GMT
All the current party leaders are doomed
May has a long line of back-stabbers waiting in the wings, just about to go public.
Corbyn has at least half of his party waiting to pounce.
Cable is 74 and the only one willing to stand.
UKIP are nothing anymore.
Nobody is loyal to anyone else. Most of the electorate don't trust our leaders or would-be successors.
Politics as we used to know it has broken down completely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:38:18 GMT
All the current party leaders are doomed May has a long line of back-stabbers waiting in the wings, just about to go public. Corbyn has at least half of his party waiting to pounce. Cable is 74 and the only one willing to stand. UKIP are nothing anymore. Nobody is loyal to anyone else. Most of the electorate don't trust our leaders or would-be successors. Politics as we used to know it has broken down completely. Your wrong,politics is making a comeback because at long last we have a party with a different viewpoint to the others. And young people will sweep that party to power at the next election,yippee!! |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 19, 2017 7:28:49 GMT
All the current party leaders are doomed May has a long line of back-stabbers waiting in the wings, just about to go public. Corbyn has at least half of his party waiting to pounce. Cable is 74 and the only one willing to stand. UKIP are nothing anymore. Nobody is loyal to anyone else. Most of the electorate don't trust our leaders or would-be successors. Politics as we used to know it has broken down completely. Your wrong,politics is making a comeback because at long last we have a party with a different viewpoint to the others. And young people will sweep that party to power at the next election,yippee!! That`s right. And down at Lulsgate, Pinky and Perky are being cleared for take off. The madman who runs the party with a "different viewpoint", is a friend of Hamas. A collection of fellow madmen, whose stated aim is to see Jews murdered wherever they may live. Hamas make the Ku Klux Klan look like the Fabian Society. I`m guessing that you`re not Jewish, Blue Butterfly, otherwise you might not find that "different viewpoint" quite so appealing. Even leaving aside his insane economic policies, that would be enough reason for me not to vote for him. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 19, 2017 10:10:00 GMT
Your wrong,politics is making a comeback because at long last we have a party with a different viewpoint to the others. And young people will sweep that party to power at the next election,yippee!! That`s right. And down at Lulsgate, Pinky and Perky are being cleared for take off. The madman who runs the party with a "different viewpoint", is a friend of Hamas. A collection of fellow madmen, whose stated aim is to see Jews murdered wherever they may live. Hamas make the Ku Klux Klan look like the Fabian Society. I`m guessing that you`re not Jewish, Blue Butterfly, otherwise you might not find that "different viewpoint" quite so appealing. Even leaving aside his insane economic policies, that would be enough reason for me not to vote for him. Successive leaders from all sides have always aided and supplied weapons to terrorist and dissident groups in other countries. There are zero morals in any of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 10:21:06 GMT
Your wrong,politics is making a comeback because at long last we have a party with a different viewpoint to the others. And young people will sweep that party to power at the next election,yippee!! That`s right. And down at Lulsgate, Pinky and Perky are being cleared for take off. The madman who runs the party with a "different viewpoint", is a friend of Hamas. A collection of fellow madmen, whose stated aim is to see Jews murdered wherever they may live. Hamas make the Ku Klux Klan look like the Fabian Society. I`m guessing that you`re not Jewish, Blue Butterfly, otherwise you might not find that "different viewpoint" quite so appealing. Even leaving aside his insane economic policies, that would be enough reason for me not to vote for him. Who murders more people the state of israel or hamas? its a very complex issue really. With regards to the current labour party it represents a point of view it was founded to represent and which i support. Its time for society to challenge a system where the rich get richer by the day while everyone else struggles. If i was young again now i would be struggling to get a decent job,have very little chance of getting a house and would face a future without a NHS and where a good education can only be attained at a private school for my future children under the tories. At last young people are waking up |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2017 19:09:50 GMT
That`s right. And down at Lulsgate, Pinky and Perky are being cleared for take off. The madman who runs the party with a "different viewpoint", is a friend of Hamas. A collection of fellow madmen, whose stated aim is to see Jews murdered wherever they may live. Hamas make the Ku Klux Klan look like the Fabian Society. I`m guessing that you`re not Jewish, Blue Butterfly, otherwise you might not find that "different viewpoint" quite so appealing. Even leaving aside his insane economic policies, that would be enough reason for me not to vote for him. Who murders more people the state of israel or hamas? its a very complex issue really. With regards to the current labour party it represents a point of view it was founded to represent and which i support. Its time for society to challenge a system where the rich get richer by the day while everyone else struggles. If i was young again now i would be struggling to get a decent job,have very little chance of getting a house and would face a future without a NHS and where a good education can only be attained at a private school for my future children under the tories. At last young people are waking up In terms of your last paragraph, that is exactly what I thought in the 1980s; NHS underfunded, council houses sold off, 3m unemployed and learning in dilapidated school classrooms. Throw in AIDS, famine in Africa and the Cold War and life was very scarey indeed. The Conservative Party have been in power for over half of the NHS's existence, if they seriously wanted to run it down as a concious choice they have had plenty of time. The NHS has problems and there is definitely an issue with housing, but no party can hold its collective head up high as it transcends the usual political divide. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 22:09:21 GMT
Who murders more people the state of israel or hamas? its a very complex issue really. With regards to the current labour party it represents a point of view it was founded to represent and which i support. Its time for society to challenge a system where the rich get richer by the day while everyone else struggles. If i was young again now i would be struggling to get a decent job,have very little chance of getting a house and would face a future without a NHS and where a good education can only be attained at a private school for my future children under the tories. At last young people are waking up In terms of your last paragraph, that is exactly what I thought in the 1980s; NHS underfunded, council houses sold off, 3m unemployed and learning in dilapidated school classrooms. Throw in AIDS, famine in Africa and the Cold War and life was very scarey indeed. The Conservative Party have been in power for over half of the NHS's existence, if they seriously wanted to run it down as a concious choice they have had plenty of time. The NHS has problems and there is definitely an issue with housing, but no party can hold its collective head up high as it transcends the usual political divide. Well ive repeatably stated that at last we now have a labour party following the ideas it was set up for,i dont consider tony blair and his cronies with any less contempt than the tory goverments since his reign. In other words the main issues today,proper jobs,housing,education and health care have been eroded by all recent goverments including tony blair who i believe should be arrested for war crimes. Whatever people think of corbyn or a socialist labour party it must be better in my view to have an alternative type of goverment to vote for,something we havnt really had for years. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2017 22:31:55 GMT
It is not just Governments that have responsibility, Opposition parties must have credible policies and be seen as a realistic government in waiting. Michael Foot and the likes of Tony Benn did not allow for a wide enough electorate and inadvertently condemned us to three terms of Margaret Thatcher. They must share the blame for being too narrow focused on their own views and not look wider.
Elections are won and lost on the centre ground. If a party chooses to ignore those other than its core support it will not get enough seats to enact its priorities.
I'm a middle ground social democrat if I must label myself, I couldn't vote for Thatcher or the likes of Michael Howard any more than I could Michael Foot or Jeremy Corbyn.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 20, 2017 6:50:22 GMT
That`s right. And down at Lulsgate, Pinky and Perky are being cleared for take off. The madman who runs the party with a "different viewpoint", is a friend of Hamas. A collection of fellow madmen, whose stated aim is to see Jews murdered wherever they may live. Hamas make the Ku Klux Klan look like the Fabian Society. I`m guessing that you`re not Jewish, Blue Butterfly, otherwise you might not find that "different viewpoint" quite so appealing. Even leaving aside his insane economic policies, that would be enough reason for me not to vote for him. Who murders more people the state of israel or hamas? its a very complex issue really. With regards to the current labour party it represents a point of view it was founded to represent and which i support. Its time for society to challenge a system where the rich get richer by the day while everyone else struggles. If i was young again now i would be struggling to get a decent job,have very little chance of getting a house and would face a future without a NHS and where a good education can only be attained at a private school for my future children under the tories. At last young people are waking up Surely Israel is an invading/occupying force in someone else's country. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 20, 2017 7:06:07 GMT
In terms of your last paragraph, that is exactly what I thought in the 1980s; NHS underfunded, council houses sold off, 3m unemployed and learning in dilapidated school classrooms. Throw in AIDS, famine in Africa and the Cold War and life was very scarey indeed. The Conservative Party have been in power for over half of the NHS's existence, if they seriously wanted to run it down as a concious choice they have had plenty of time. The NHS has problems and there is definitely an issue with housing, but no party can hold its collective head up high as it transcends the usual political divide. Well ive repeatably stated that at last we now have a labour party following the ideas it was set up for,i dont consider tony blair and his cronies with any less contempt than the tory goverments since his reign. In other words the main issues today,proper jobs,housing,education and health care have been eroded by all recent goverments including tony blair who i believe should be arrested for war crimes. Whatever people think of corbyn or a socialist labour party it must be better in my view to have an alternative type of goverment to vote for,something we havnt really had for years. For a pretty well balanced view of life under an insane British socialist government, ( if you`ll pardon the tautology ), try reading, "Seasons in the sun." www.theguardian.com/books/2012/may/09/seasons-in-sun-sandbrook-reviewNo wonder we haven`t had that type of government "for years." |
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Post by LJG on Jul 20, 2017 10:25:02 GMT
That`s right. And down at Lulsgate, Pinky and Perky are being cleared for take off. The madman who runs the party with a "different viewpoint", is a friend of Hamas. A collection of fellow madmen, whose stated aim is to see Jews murdered wherever they may live. Hamas make the Ku Klux Klan look like the Fabian Society. I`m guessing that you`re not Jewish, Blue Butterfly, otherwise you might not find that "different viewpoint" quite so appealing. Even leaving aside his insane economic policies, that would be enough reason for me not to vote for him. Who murders more people the state of israel or hamas? its a very complex issue really. With regards to the current labour party it represents a point of view it was founded to represent and which i support. Its time for society to challenge a system where the rich get richer by the day while everyone else struggles. If i was young again now i would be struggling to get a decent job,have very little chance of getting a house and would face a future without a NHS and where a good education can only be attained at a private school for my future children under the tories. At last young people are waking up Young people are waking up to a big "f**k you" from the Labour party this week. Turns out not only was their promise on tuition fees a lie (as they've proved in Wales) but eradicating historic student debt was too! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 10:58:52 GMT
Well ive repeatably stated that at last we now have a labour party following the ideas it was set up for,i dont consider tony blair and his cronies with any less contempt than the tory goverments since his reign. In other words the main issues today,proper jobs,housing,education and health care have been eroded by all recent goverments including tony blair who i believe should be arrested for war crimes. Whatever people think of corbyn or a socialist labour party it must be better in my view to have an alternative type of goverment to vote for,something we havnt really had for years. For a pretty well balanced view of life under an insane British socialist government, ( if you`ll pardon the tautology ), try reading, "Seasons in the sun." www.theguardian.com/books/2012/may/09/seasons-in-sun-sandbrook-reviewNo wonder we haven`t had that type of government "for years." One persons balanced is another persons biased,some people read murdoch empire newspapers,why would anyone do that if they were interested in balance? |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 20, 2017 11:04:49 GMT
One persons balanced is another persons biased,some people read murdoch empire newspapers,why would anyone do that if they were interested in balance? The review is by the Guardian. Does it say that Seasons in the sun, is biased in favour of the right? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 19:30:26 GMT
Who murders more people the state of israel or hamas? its a very complex issue really. With regards to the current labour party it represents a point of view it was founded to represent and which i support. Its time for society to challenge a system where the rich get richer by the day while everyone else struggles. If i was young again now i would be struggling to get a decent job,have very little chance of getting a house and would face a future without a NHS and where a good education can only be attained at a private school for my future children under the tories. At last young people are waking up Young people are waking up to a big "f**k you" from the Labour party this week. Turns out not only was their promise on tuition fees a lie (as they've proved in Wales) but eradicating historic student debt was too! Eradicating historic student debt was never promised, getting rid of tuition fees was. Which leads me to... It's hardly surprising the Welsh Govt would do something stupid like increase fees according to inflation when they distanced themselves from a manifesto that got 40% of the vote. Their decision simply increases the amount the taxpayer pays in the long term. That's part of the problem with the £9000+ tuition fee argument, everyone pays more. Welsh Labour's election support for the Westminster branch of the Party came as follows... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 19:44:47 GMT
Ah, Welsh Labour are not the right type of communists/Socialists......the reality is that there isn't a 'right type'.
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Post by LJG on Jul 20, 2017 19:49:39 GMT
Young people are waking up to a big "f**k you" from the Labour party this week. Turns out not only was their promise on tuition fees a lie (as they've proved in Wales) but eradicating historic student debt was too! , getting rid of tuition fees was. Which leads me to... It's hardly surprising the Welsh Govt would do something stupid like increase fees according to inflation when they distanced themselves from a manifesto that got 40% of the vote. Their decision simply increases the amount the taxpayer pays in the long term. That's part of the problem with the £9000+ tuition fee argument, everyone pays more. Welsh Labour's election support for the Westminster branch of the Party came as follows... Bullshit. Jeremy Corbyn, 1 June 2017: "We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through ... ... I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.” |
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Post by LJG on Jul 21, 2017 7:37:08 GMT
Who murders more people the state of israel or hamas? its a very complex issue really. With regards to the current labour party it represents a point of view it was founded to represent and which i support. Its time for society to challenge a system where the rich get richer by the day while everyone else struggles. If i was young again now i would be struggling to get a decent job,have very little chance of getting a house and would face a future without a NHS and where a good education can only be attained at a private school for my future children under the tories. At last young people are waking up Surely Israel is an invading/occupying force in someone else's country. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I know you didn't raise the initial point but I find it very difficult to bring any comparison between a nation state recognised by the UN and a terrorist group listed as such by the UN. |
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Post by LJG on Jul 21, 2017 7:43:06 GMT
Young people are waking up to a big "f**k you" from the Labour party this week. Turns out not only was their promise on tuition fees a lie (as they've proved in Wales) but eradicating historic student debt was too! Eradicating historic student debt was never promised, getting rid of tuition fees was. Which leads me to... It's hardly surprising the Welsh Govt would do something stupid like increase fees according to inflation when they distanced themselves from a manifesto that got 40% of the vote. Their decision simply increases the amount the taxpayer pays in the long term. That's part of the problem with the £9000+ tuition fee argument, everyone pays more. Welsh Labour's election support for the Westminster branch of the Party came as follows... Welsh Labour Manifesto 2017: "Welsh Labour has always been clear that education should be free and if funding allowed, there should be no tuition fees." |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 21, 2017 7:44:35 GMT
Surely Israel is an invading/occupying force in someone else's country. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I know you didn't raise the initial point but I find it very difficult to bring any comparison between a nation state recognised by the UN and a terrorist group listed as such by the UN. I'm not sure recognition by the UN makes the situation any more right. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 21, 2017 7:47:24 GMT
I should add, I don't support Hamas or its methods but I do have an awful lot of sympathy for Palestine.
They were royally f**ked over by the creation of Israel.
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