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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 10:59:46 GMT
Totally agree - and who introduced "tuition fees" in the first place - the Socialists. And who raided the Pension Funds to help pay for their spending sprees - the Socialists - who left a note in The Treasury stating there was no money left when the Conservaties took over in 2010 - the Socialists. The list is virtually endless with their irresponsible spending that someone has to pay for - unfortunately (or rather fortunately) the young and first time voters have not yet experienced a Socialist Government. And not forgetting The Gulf War which cost billions of pounds and thousands of lives - another Socialist lie. Fortunately they still didn't manage to win the election despite offering another lie - the proverbial "Money Tree" to everyone that cared to listen - fortunately the majority didn't. If you think the blair goverment was "socialist" then you are deluded. Not deluded at all - have you read his Fabian Pamphlet - "Socialism". He was the deluded one - I picked the word Socialist as opposed to Labour quite deliberately. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 12, 2017 11:05:22 GMT
And that was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative party Not at all. Merely a statement of facts. If I am mistaken I would be happy to be enlightened. I am an ordinary working person. I am happy to pay 20% of my income to government to help run the country. Making me pay 30% or even more would make it difficult to survive and support my family. I cannot claim any sort of benefit, I am part of the main body of people who has to pay and get nothing back. I am happy to do that provided I am left with enough. Take too much more away and I would wonder if it was worth the bother. Anything wrong with that? and try running a small independent business when the Business Rates are £5500 per year in advance and i don't even get my bins emptied for that, that costs extra ! |
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Post by lympstonegas on Jun 12, 2017 11:12:28 GMT
True rovers fan by hairy ar5e. She wears shirts that make her get media coverage. If you look st the website theyworkforyou then you'll see exactly who she is. Good riddance The media are the reason that Conservatives win most elections. Aaaa.... So every newspaper, tv channel, Internet site is pro Tory - hilarious. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 12, 2017 11:18:28 GMT
The media are the reason that Conservatives win most elections. Aaaa.... So every newspaper, tv channel, Internet site is pro Tory - hilarious. Have I said every? The majority are though, yes. For obvious reasons. |
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Post by oldgas on Jun 12, 2017 11:18:58 GMT
The media are the reason that Conservatives win most elections. Aaaa.... So every newspaper, tv channel, Internet site is pro Tory - hilarious. You're right. The BBC was conducting a barely concealed love affair with Teresa May in the run up to the election. And the Mirror and Guardian. So right wing biased it made me grind my teeth! |
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Post by pirate on Jun 12, 2017 11:19:45 GMT
The media are the reason that Conservatives win most elections. Aaaa.... So every newspaper, tv channel, Internet site is pro Tory - hilarious.  |
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Post by lympstonegas on Jun 12, 2017 11:29:10 GMT
How many actually read a newspaper though - even online? Not sure many college / uni students would as their news feed ''facts' are usually solely social media based
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Post by pirate on Jun 12, 2017 11:35:51 GMT
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Post by oldgas on Jun 12, 2017 11:39:56 GMT
The problem with this election is that no-one, including Labour, thought there would be anything but a landslide win for the Conservatives. Labour therefore offered people the world without having any idea how they would pay for it. The Conservatives were too honest for their own good, and paid for it at the ballot box. Labour activated the young vote by offering, amongst other things, free tuition. They also bribed every other section of society with promises of jam today and airily claimed they would pay for it by increasing corporation tax and tax on "The Wealthy". what utter bollox! Companies will happily pay reasonable Corp. tax, but put it too high, and they will do an Amazon, Starbucks etc etc and move offshore. Other companies would be forced to lay people off and downsize. The result would be less tax money for the government, not more. Similarly with the rich. Top earners now pay 45% tax, with National Insurance that means they lose nearly 60% of their income to the government. I don't think that's fair, and it doesn't affect me. What rate would Labour tax these people are? 80%, 90%?. It wouldn't be worth going to work, and they would only find a way around it. The very wealthy, like the Duke, would simply relocate offshore. No, to raise sufficient money to pay for all Labour would have to hit the ordinary working person. I don't know about you, but I don't fancy going back to paying 30% or more income tax, or seeing the country go bankrupt through reckless borrowing. I can't believe that people have such short memories. The last Labour Government, led by the war criminal Blair virtually bankrupted the country, and they were supposed to be moderate in the way they conducted themselves. What do people think a communist idiot like Corbyn would do if given the reigns of power? F#ck me. Totally agree - and who introduced "tuition fees" in the first place - the Socialists. And who raided the Pension Funds to help pay for their spending sprees - the Socialists - who left a note in The Treasury stating there was no money left when the Conservaties took over in 2010 - the Socialists. The list is virtually endless with their irresponsible spending that someone has to pay for - unfortunately (or rather fortunately) the young and first time voters have not yet experienced a Socialist Government. And not forgetting The Gulf War which cost billions of pounds and thousands of lives - another Socialist lie. Fortunately they still didn't manage to win the election despite offering another lie - the proverbial "Money Tree" to everyone that cared to listen - fortunately the majority didn't. Your right about young and first time voters. What they have also failed to understand is that there's no such thing as a free lunch. They may not have to pay tuition fees up front, but when they start work they will find themselves paying extra tax for the rest of their lives to pay for others tuition fees. At least with the fees, they knew how much they owed, are able to control that with their spending habits, and could pay off a known debt with very low interest rates. Once paid it was paid. Not so with "free" university. I dont know know about anyone else, but I'm not keen on financing degree courses in Origami, social media studies etc etc through my income tax. |
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Post by lympstonegas on Jun 12, 2017 11:46:15 GMT
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Post by markczgas on Jun 12, 2017 11:53:08 GMT
If you think the blair goverment was "socialist" then you are deluded. Not deluded at all - have you read his Fabian Pamphlet - "Socialism". He was the deluded one - I picked the word Socialist as opposed to Labour quite deliberately. Know who what I'd prefer out of Racists and Socialists every day ! Wonder why Leslie voted to leave EU ?? tut tut in such a multicultural constituency too ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 12:01:41 GMT
Not at all. Merely a statement of facts. If I am mistaken I would be happy to be enlightened. I am an ordinary working person. I am happy to pay 20% of my income to government to help run the country. Making me pay 30% or even more would make it difficult to survive and support my family. I cannot claim any sort of benefit, I am part of the main body of people who has to pay and get nothing back. I am happy to do that provided I am left with enough. Take too much more away and I would wonder if it was worth the bother. Anything wrong with that? and try running a small independent business when the Business Rates are £5500 per year in advance and i don't even get my bins emptied for that, that costs extra ! Thought you said Miss Leslie sorted the business rates for you. Plus you can't blame Labour they ain't in power. Unless i'm getting my wires crossed. Oldgas child allowance is a benefit i'm sure you claimed that when you could, and still could of course no matter how wealthy. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 12, 2017 12:10:38 GMT
Not deluded at all - have you read his Fabian Pamphlet - "Socialism". He was the deluded one - I picked the word Socialist as opposed to Labour quite deliberately. Know who what I'd prefer out of Racists and Socialists every day ! Wonder why Leslie voted to leave EU ?? tut tut in such a multicultural constituency too ! Wanting to leave the EU isn't racist. |
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Post by Parrot on Jun 12, 2017 12:26:40 GMT
Totally agree - and who introduced "tuition fees" in the first place - the Socialists. And who raided the Pension Funds to help pay for their spending sprees - the Socialists - who left a note in The Treasury stating there was no money left when the Conservaties took over in 2010 - the Socialists. The list is virtually endless with their irresponsible spending that someone has to pay for - unfortunately (or rather fortunately) the young and first time voters have not yet experienced a Socialist Government. And not forgetting The Gulf War which cost billions of pounds and thousands of lives - another Socialist lie. Fortunately they still didn't manage to win the election despite offering another lie - the proverbial "Money Tree" to everyone that cared to listen - fortunately the majority didn't. Your right about young and first time voters. What they have also failed to understand is that there's no such thing as a free lunch. They may not have to pay tuition fees up front, but when they start work they will find themselves paying extra tax for the rest of their lives to pay for others tuition fees. At least with the fees, they knew how much they owed, are able to control that with their spending habits, and could pay off a known debt with very low interest rates. Once paid it was paid. Not so with "free" university. I dont know know about anyone else, but I'm not keen on financing degree courses in Origami, social media studies etc etc through my income tax. Spot on Oldgas !! I resent having the potential of paying even more tax than i currently do (I allready pay a higher percentage - so in my view am paying my fair share) I started work on a YTS scheme for £25 a week !, Did day release at college, worked my ass off and now have a decent salary. The thought of funding some dropout scum bag to do a degree in David Beckham is ridiculous. (I am not saying all students fall into this category !!) However i feel we should be better funding the NHS and schools, but not getting the country into further debt that we will be paying off for generations.There are other ways such as stopping the big corporations using Tax avoidance loopholes. |
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Post by markczgas on Jun 12, 2017 12:28:43 GMT
Know who what I'd prefer out of Racists and Socialists every day ! Wonder why Leslie voted to leave EU ?? tut tut in such a multicultural constituency too ! Wanting to leave the EU isn't racist. Did you notice the hate crime backlash on non-Brits post Brexit vote ? That's my point. |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jun 12, 2017 12:43:36 GMT
Wanting to leave the EU isn't racist. Did you notice the hate crime backlash on non-Brits post Brexit vote ? That's my point. Yep a group of mainly Caucasians vote to leave a group of Caucasians and the losers shout racism |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 12, 2017 12:45:36 GMT
If you think the blair goverment was "socialist" then you are deluded. Not deluded at all - have you read his Fabian Pamphlet - "Socialism". He was the deluded one - I picked the word Socialist as opposed to Labour quite deliberately. Tony Blair was a very good PM in the main, lieing about WOMD destruction aside and being totally led by the nose by Bush into a war we didnt need to be involved in. The main problem was his chancellor and then successor Ditsy Brown who literally wazzed the reserves to the wall until they ran dry and then he ran out of ideas. It is the same everytime Labour have a term in office. I grew up through a Thatcher government, my working class family had nothing, I started my working life and set up my business during a Labour government and since 2010 have noticed it is certainly easier to live and work under a Tory office. Corbyn's manifesto, I admit is wonderful, ideal, and would suit everyone, however I saw through it immeadiately and it was the youth who fell for it hook line and sinker, along with the rose tintered labour hard hats. Corbyn just hasnt worked out yet how to fund and pay for it. And therein lies the typical labour party ignorance and arrogance. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 12, 2017 12:46:18 GMT
Wanting to leave the EU isn't racist. Did you notice the hate crime backlash on non-Brits post Brexit vote ? That's my point. That's a two way street. Ever caught non-Brits talking about you ? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 12, 2017 13:05:02 GMT
Wanting to leave the EU isn't racist. Did you notice the hate crime backlash on non-Brits post Brexit vote ? That's my point. Any excuse for those kind of people sadly. |
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Post by aghast on Jun 12, 2017 13:14:50 GMT
That was one hell of a confidence trick Jezza pulled off there, getting 12.9 million people to vote Labour.
Presumably amongst the communists, fools and greedy youngsters there are a few who simply rejected Conservative policies.
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