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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 14:26:11 GMT
A rare example of a footballer having a brain! Yes, probably. UTG! It's also worth noting the clubs treatment of Ollie Clarke. 271 appearances for the club, two time player of the year, over a decade service and he was given a derisory contract offer and no goodbye. I don't really think we can get too uppity about the Lockyer situation after the way the club treated Clarke.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 14:20:31 GMT
...or us letting Coughlan slip away. Hmmm. Did we? I mean, most of our fans didnt like him because he wasnt DC, he got pelters from the terraces, family was abused on SM and everyone criticised his style of football regardless of the results he was getting. Is it any wonder he had his head turned by a club that was on his doorstep? Also the fact he then told all of the players on Friday he was leaving despite telling the board he would speak to them post ipswich game, cue the radio interview... I think I was one of the few that enjoyed the football from a POV of knowing we would probably win 1-0 most games but our own fans played a part in the club choosing to accept his public resignation, the same fans who are now saying we made a mistake in getting rid of him. Oddly this isn't me making a dig at the ownership, although employing him as manager they had no choice! We is more as a club, I think both the board and the support should harbour blame for that. Like you I was more interested in results than entertainment, if you want to watch good football you consider not watching Rovers. It'll always be a what could have been with Coughlan, it's a shame but there we go.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 14:17:58 GMT
No, TG buggered up the WC situation. Remember? Not that I’m defending him. But I don’t remember this. How did he manage to cock it up? Your words not mine
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 13:48:45 GMT
Not heard any rumours about Wayne Carlisle leaving and would be surprised if it was true. Maybe WC is leaving his part time role at Rovers.. and then taking on a full time role at Rovers? No, TG buggered up the WC situation. Remember?
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 13:10:22 GMT
A good discussion about the decision on Talk sport earlier, the owner suggesting he was sacked as he doesn't like his style of football. It seems not many fans agree, time will tell who's right. "Style of football" I mean, its just a phrase that is chucked about now when a chairman wants to sack someone. Personally, I like winning games of football. I dont care how its achieved whether its a hoofball goal or tikka takka total football. Hull have been a relegation threatened team since 2016, 7th is their best finish in years and I had them down to go up next year. Its akin to Birmingham sacking Eustace. ...or us letting Coughlan slip away.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 12:26:53 GMT
To be fair, Taylor/Bodin/Harrison didn't play at the level that Barry Hayles did. Lockyer, we so messed up there. No fee and some fans were saying he wasn't good enough for us. Irrespective of what fans said, in the two years before he left he was clearly an important part of the team and plenty good enough and seeing him go for nothing was poor. Yet tbf to the club we are told that they offered to renew his contract on several occasions but he was determined to go. We got nothing. MT signed a short term deal and we got £300k as opposed to £0 and MT gets pelters every time. TL, I think, had a long term plan which he stuck to and we lost out. For clarity I loved TLs time with us and have admired his climb up the leagues and have great sympathy for what’s happened but I’ve often shaken my head at the comparison of our treatment of both players. And before anyone comes back at me I do understand the anger over those few days in Jan ‘17 and who he went to. UTG! A rare example of a footballer having a brain!
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 12:06:50 GMT
Something like this for our West stand extensions probably - held up by a couple of shelf supports. We'll be fine with that, I doubt we would have as much to get excited about... Looks like a great atmosphere, at The Mem our atmosphere has tended to be in tents.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 11:49:46 GMT
I think when you look that Taylor, Bodin, Harrison and Lockyer all left for less than what we got for just Barry in 1998 it's pretty damning. To be fair, Taylor/Bodin/Harrison didn't play at the level that Barry Hayles did. Lockyer, we so messed up there. No fee and some fans were saying he wasn't good enough for us. With inflation though Hayles in 2018 money left for c£3m, those three went for around £1.5m between them. It's frustrating because other clubs have been a lot better at that.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 11:35:06 GMT
Apart from snake who have we sold for a bargain? That is the point for me. We end up letting players leave on a free as we aren't very good at cashing in on them. For all Snakey boys negative antics, he could have left on a free that summer. I think when you look that Taylor, Bodin, Harrison and Lockyer all left for less than what we got for just Barry in 1998 it's pretty damning.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 11:14:20 GMT
Historically our best sells came from three routes; Youth (Stewart, Taylor, Yates, Browning), Non-League (Hayles, Martyn, Penrice, Ellington) and Higher up the food chain (Roberts, Cureton). That's usually because their ceiling is higher. Signing from clubs at your level usually means those players are at the level they should be unless you're doing a Posh or Bolton with JCH and Collins. Recruitment in recent times has been more conservative, it's usually from teams around us and lends itself to a lack of progression. If we can return to a pleasant mix of Youth, Non-League and Higher Up supplemented by those conservative "will work at this level" signings we could start turning real profits again. It would potentially save us money in the short term as well. Even Roberts was first identified by Everson/Penrice/Holloway when he was playing for Hayes in non-league. Aside from Loans we're not taking in players in that 18-24 age range that can produce future fees. Three of our nine permanent signings last season fitted that profile, two were returning loanees who had been let go by clubs that aren't that far ahead of us. Really hoping Friend has the ability to make us more of a force in that department. Time will tell.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 10:46:36 GMT
Seriously if we do have a new head of media, confirmed by Gorringe deleted tweet, what do they do all day everyday? Mainly issuing apologies.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 10:44:22 GMT
Kevin Bond has left, courtesy of Bristol Live reporting. Any danger of the club ever making an official announcement about literally anything? Or should I DM Gorringe or Wael? Wael has unfollowed Kevin Bond on Instagram.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 10:42:40 GMT
Was the sale of Nigel Martin before the Bosman rule ? - surely it is this coupled with poor fixed compensation for young players that means we don't get the transfer fees we used to in the Dunford era. The Bosman Rule came into effect in 1995 but didn't really start until 1996. So Stewart, Hayles, Roberts, Taylor, Ellington, Browning, Cureton and Beadle were all Dunford Era post-Bosman deals. The one that sticks in the mind is John Taylor's (incredibly underrated player for us 44 goals in 95 League games) move to Bradford in 1995 for £300k. He was nearing the end of his contract I think and pushed for a move. We beat them 4-0 the next season and he got pelters.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 10:37:58 GMT
Just to keep tabs Gorringe has been sacked McAllister has been sacked and Taylor has been sacked who else am I missing? The incident with the pigeon?
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 10:07:58 GMT
The one thing the Dunford's era did well was get pretty good transfer fees in. Getting a national record fee AND Brian Parkin for instance was superb work. If we were churning players like we were in the 90's now our balance sheet would look a lot healthier. We seemed to have a decent sale every year. From memory, our pipeline of decent fees dried up around the end of the Holloway period and became patchy since. Coincidentally our annual losses started no longer being covered and our form dipped. Maybe there is a connection between getting good, regular fees and our erratic form. Historically our best sells came from three routes; Youth (Stewart, Taylor, Yates, Browning), Non-League (Hayles, Martyn, Penrice, Ellington) and Higher up the food chain (Roberts, Cureton). That's usually because their ceiling is higher. Signing from clubs at your level usually means those players are at the level they should be unless you're doing a Posh or Bolton with JCH and Collins. Recruitment in recent times has been more conservative, it's usually from teams around us and lends itself to a lack of progression. If we can return to a pleasant mix of Youth, Non-League and Higher Up supplemented by those conservative "will work at this level" signings we could start turning real profits again. It would potentially save us money in the short term as well.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 9:39:19 GMT
A Portsmouth player with a dubious attitude? Well, they said the same about Kyle Bennett, and that worked out just fine, didn`t it? Bennett was a proper, old school Rovers sh** the bed signing. Nearly quarter of a century on I find it mad that £75k for 2 years and 16 appearances from Justin Richards.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 9:33:29 GMT
I hope Matt has a successful pre season, and am 100 % behind him, it will take some time to get the team firing with so many changes, but Liam Rosenior would be a great option at Christmas if things are going awry. I would imagine that Liam Rosenior will by employed elsewhere by Christmas. I envisage him having a job before that!
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 9:32:28 GMT
cant remember Leyton buying channing off us?thought he just left I think you're right. We bought Channing from QPR for a reported £250k. All other sources suggest he went to Orient on a free.
Point still remains that nearly all these players went on to have success at a higher level and the values are peanuts compared to transfer fees extracted by clubs at a similar level to Rovers. The one thing the Dunford's era did well was get pretty good transfer fees in. Getting a national record fee AND Brian Parkin for instance was superb work. If we were churning players like we were in the 90's now our balance sheet would look a lot healthier. We seemed to have a decent sale every year.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 8:22:58 GMT
Them all. We're Football's Poundland.
I wouldn't say many from the following list were not bargains:
1 Jason Roberts 00/01 West Brom €3.00m 2 Barry Hayles 98/99 Fulham €3.00m 3 Gareth Taylor 95/96 Crystal Palace €1.90m 4 Nathan Ellington 01/02 Wigan €1.80m 5 Marcus Stewart 96/97 Huddersfield €1.80m 6 Nigel Martyn 89/90 Crystal Palace €1.50m 7 Jonson Clarke-Harris 20/21 Peterborough €1.40m 8 Rickie Lambert 09/10 Southampton €1.20m 9 Aaron Collins 23/24 Bolton €880k 10 Ellis Harrison 18/19 Ipswich €840k 11 Steve Yates 93/94 QPR €820k 12 Marcus Browning 96/97 Huddersfield €750k 13 Mustapha Carayol 12/13 Middlesbrough €640k 14 Gary Penrice 88/89 Watford €630k 15 Will Hoskins 11/12 Brighton €565k 16 Billy Bodin 17/18 Preston €450k 17 Jamie Cureton 00/01 Reading €368k 18 Peter Beadle 98/99 Port Vale €367k 19 Matty Taylor 16/17 Bristol City €350k 20 Justin Channing 96/97 Leyton Orient €318k
Values in Euros from Transfermarkt
cant remember Leyton buying channing off us?thought he just left Transfermarkt is a handy tool but can be a bit off from time to time.
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Post by chewbacca on May 8, 2024 8:11:47 GMT
I don't ask for perfect, I ask for competent. Which one of those applies to your posts? I'm not seeing either! Well I've listed dozens of issues with the previous ownership model and the CEO that currently is in place. Some competency with regards to the running of the business would be grand. I'm hopeful the new ownership will bring this but, let's be honest, it's Rovers.
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