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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 18:02:01 GMT
See to me that's selective use of history, as in I'm going to look back and condemn the nsdap for their treatment of others in the first part of the 40's. But will ignore that when I want to buy a new car or posh clothes etc., the simple fact is if those companies hadn't used slave labour they would not be here today. How about the nails in corn street should they be removed as slave money would have been banged down on them a few times So whats your opinion on the enslavement of white people in britain. Intersting your bit about your reasons for not joining barclays, so you din't support aparthied, but you decided to align yourself like many others with a terrorist. But there's a clear difference. It's like the differentiation between the art and the artist. I'm uneducated on the enslavement of white people in this country, please educate me. Just because I didn't agree with Apartheid doesn't mean I was fully and 100% behind the methods of the Mandelas, although I was fully behind the goal. But frankly at the time I always thought of Winnie as being far more terroristy than Nelson ever was. From before the romans arrived, in anglo saxon times many men women and children were captured by Norse-Irish traders and sold on mainly in ireland and other countries, after it was stopped the norse/irish traders invited many aboard ship only to set sail back to the irish slave markets, don't forget people who were press ganged later. Also many children rounded up in london and sent to australia along with many young prostitutes, many press-ganged into service, george washinton had a few white slaves Look it up as there's a lot about it but why is this never taught.
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 16:18:20 GMT
I'm a little bit behind on this fast moving thread but everything seems fairly well behaved so far - just a reminder before anything that could happen does happen, that we would appreciate if we keep everything respectful and not too personal! Cheers Oi sod off this is a mod free zone
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 16:15:48 GMT
See i just love the way people think it's ok to destroy a statue but still think its acceptable to use the buildings they payed for, of course the buildings idolise the slave trade, in case you forgot where did some of the money come from to build them, the problem is now idiots think they can remove stuff they don't agree with , it's a very slippery slope. Should we also burn every painting that has a controversial subject or person in it, burn every book you don't agree with, hmm i wonder where that happened before Dear oh dear there's the first one today how many more will there be you assume that im far right you could not be more wrong if you tried. You bought up the Germans which is an entirely different subject, i bet you feel the same way about those companies who used slave labour in the 40's, or do you use thier products because it convinient?? Because there's a very clear and cut difference. Take your last statement for example, the people who ran these companies back then and who used their companies to show appreciation for things like Naziism are long past. Had I been alive at the time I wouldn't have used these products, but who I am to judge the son who inherits his father's business who holds completely different views. A lot of things may be miseducation, if there are people who openly supported Nazis that are still alive and run their respective businesses then please educate me! There is obviously a clear and cut difference, as a banker the reason I chose not to join Barclays was due to their association with the apartheid regime. To a certain extent you have to settle that a lot of Bristol's history is built on the back of suffering and pain. I mean paintings are usually in places like museums that educate people on this subject, people go there to specifically learn about these individuals. And no burning every book I don't agree with is pointless as there will always be another book. There is ONE Edward Colston statue and that's one too many. So thankfully it got taken down. It's quite unbelievable to me that people are so angry about the destruction of a pro-racist memorial. See to me that's selective use of history, as in I'm going to look back and condemn the nsdap for their treatment of others in the first part of the 40's. But will ignore that when I want to buy a new car or posh clothes etc., the simple fact is if those companies hadn't used slave labour they would not be here today. How about the nails in corn street should they be removed as slave money would have been banged down on them a few times So whats your opinion on the enslavement of white people in britain. Intersting your bit about your reasons for not joining barclays, so you din't support aparthied, but you decided to align yourself like many others with a terrorist.
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 16:05:44 GMT
It could, should, be used as a tool to teach our kids the detail of a shameful period in our history. Then we can move on to the next shameful period to teach. Starter for 10 British War Crimes in WW2 I think it's been touched on in schools but as the victors write the history books it would have been taught as a wonderful thing, same way as the yanks nuking japan goes , or the rape of Nanjing by the japs. We could go on forever ,the thing is human are a bunch of lady gardens always have been always will be
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 15:59:19 GMT
It could, should, be used as a tool to teach our kids the detail of a shameful period in our history. Then we can move on to the next shameful period to teach. That's all well and good, but you have to actually recognise the "shame." And not try and cover it. Ah i see so removing a statue and the plaque isn't covering it and hiding history
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 15:51:44 GMT
Got yer wish then, did it run round yer house in a manic state cheering and w**king at yet another piece of history consigned to the bin. Yet another thing that can be glossed over to pretend it didn't happen. Now get yer mates to destroy every almshouse, school or university building or any thing connected with slavery, storm the museum and destroy the records they have there, maybe just maybe people will finally be able to get rid of the false guilt they feel as it never happened then did it. If i had my way every person there would be made to pay for the statue under the proceeds of crime act, just so they would lose everything, It's great that your way won't occur then. I'm sure if Germany resurrected an Adolf Hitler statue you would go absolutely manick. There is a clear and cut line between those who deserve statues and those who certainly do not. Edward Colston falls very heavily into the "not" category. A man whose whole life revolved around causing misery to black people. University buildings very clearly don't idolise Edward Colston, statues do. It's absolutely bonkers to me that anyone would see taking down the statue of a slave trader as anything but a good thing. I'm sure these people would have been the same to support Enoch Powell or Oswald Mosley decades back, or dismiss the overall message of a movement due to violence just like people did with Martin Luther King in the 60s. See i just love the way people think it's ok to destroy a statue but still think its acceptable to use the buildings they payed for, of course the buildings idolise the slave trade, in case you forgot where did some of the money come from to build them, the problem is now idiots think they can remove stuff they don't agree with , it's a very slippery slope. Should we also burn every painting that has a controversial subject or person in it, burn every book you don't agree with, hmm i wonder where that happened before Dear oh dear there's the first one today how many more will there be you assume that im far right you could not be more wrong if you tried. You bought up the Germans which is an entirely different subject, i bet you feel the same way about those companies who used slave labour in the 40's, or do you use thier products because it convinient??
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 15:33:13 GMT
It's a beautiful day, the sun is shining and great events have occurred today. A statue I have been pushing to take down for years has been ripped from its pedestal and stamped on by the people. A statue that idolised a person who built his entire fortune off of slave trading hundreds of thousands of black people back in his day. The statue shouldn't have been there to begin with. And that's why it's been torn down. Happy to say I witnessed it in person. nope his entire fortune was not made from slavery, i do wish people would check stuff before posting but hey it wouldn't fit in with your agenda would it, in your opinion shouldn't everything he spent anything on be destroyed as well, just remember isis took the same stance and destroyed history wherever they went
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 15:30:07 GMT
Got yer wish then, did it run round yer house in a manic state cheering and w**king at yet another piece of history consigned to the bin. Yet another thing that can be glossed over to pretend it didn't happen. Now get yer mates to destroy every almshouse, school or university building or any thing connected with slavery, storm the museum and destroy the records they have there, maybe just maybe people will finally be able to get rid of the false guilt they feel as it never happened then did it. If i had my way every person there would be made to pay for the statue under the proceeds of crime act, just so they would lose everything,
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 15:23:43 GMT
365 "Far better imo to switch the emphasis on such wording as to stress that the statue serves as an educational tool for people to be kind to *everyone* so that such exploitation and profit from human life never takes place again." Al "Exactly" Ok, given 200 years have passed (roughly) since that period of slavery What education has taken place since then that has informed subsequent generations that exploitation is wrong and to be resisted? And where specifically have subsequent generations used this knowledge to resist exploitation? If in doubt, or struggling for an answer, what's your opinion of us in Africa since WW2? Not sure about now but i remember it being taught at secondary, however you can educate people about exploitation, but it's the individual or the sheeple who decide how to act. It's human nature to exploit for gain i'm sure we've all done it in our working lives, but there's a line in the sand. For some it's an indicator of having gone a tad too far ,for others its just a line to make more money
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 15:18:41 GMT
I hope the police will be studying the footage and taking action against these lowlife scum? I somehow doubt it. Will they f**k, however have a bit of argy bargy with a few teds and those same pigs will don riot gear and smash your door down
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 12:29:53 GMT
What is the good? Also which black figure, a bound slave or maybe Lenny Henry? Someone who probably still experiences racism today. How about the guys that led the Bristol Bus Boycott in the 60s How about hannah more forgotten by a lot of people, see it's cool to protest against colston at the mo, but people like her are always forgotten
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 3:30:47 GMT
No thanks. History cannot be rewritten or airbrushed out of existence. You can create history, put the statue in a museum, it's rightful place, and replace it with an image of unity. In the future people will either look back on us as a civilization that kept a statue of a racist slave trader, or a civilization who consigned him to history. Don't see any statues of Hitler around these days do you? But that would be a cop out surely, as if you want the statue gone you surely have to remove every trace of stuff he funded or built in the world, as wouldn't that just be hypocrisy. You mention hitler do you avoid all brands that were associated with him before, during and after the war, i suspect not
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 1:31:56 GMT
Still not convinced after reading that, it was a generalisation with some editorial politically biased. I would like to see personal cases so if you have any please post. I know from my work that a huge amount of white people help and care for black people on a daily basis and vice versa. Benefits, health care and education are the same for all, it is up to the individual to make the most of them. If you don't think this is correct I would be glad to see evidence especially of personal cases. Percentages don't tell the whole story, it's also about ability. Is it racist that most 100m sprinters are black, I think they are just better. Would a business rather be less successful than have BAME employees,I would think they would go for the best applicants, is that racist? Would a football club not want an excellent Manager because he was black? I think they would break his hand off. Race or ability? Every business wants success, its up to us to be the best to get that job isn't it? Al I do wish people would drop the bame label, why is it that those who say they are antiracist feel the need to single out and group non whites, as lumping people into groups doesn't show the whole picture in terms of those more likely to die of covid. Some figures below maybe out of date already. Black people are 1.9 times more likely to die than white people (Black women more likely to die than black men). Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are 1.8 times more likely to die . Indians are around 1.5 times more likely. There's been some suggestions that Black people may be suffering a vitamin D deficiency if that's the case surely blood tests for vitamin d tablets should be done, i also read that black people are more likely to be susceptible to diabetes and heart disease, which could also be a factor as to why they as a group have a higher chance of dying from the virus than others
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Post by inee on Jun 6, 2020 14:19:08 GMT
I seem to recall the bloke who instigated this cup said that despite boycotts by fans it will go ahead, as he said it was a success, I like many others detest the premier league and want a return to the old system, i.e. 4 divisions, with the championship to decide whether to go along with the pl or to go back to the old system.
Even better would be for clubs to break away from the efl and form a new league as a f**k you thank you for the mess footballs in.
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Post by inee on Jun 6, 2020 14:05:04 GMT
too flimmin right id have him back along with the beard
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Post by inee on Jun 6, 2020 13:52:38 GMT
Also have have we allowed the black lives matter protests to proceed unhindered in the middle of a pandemic? There are articles quoting police stating that they are breaking the law and yet they are treated as if they are a special case? There are a lot of incidents of raves being shut down (and rightly so) and yet these protests which are openly acknowledged as being against regulation involving thousands have been left to do what they like. It honestly sounds like the Police are scared of doing their job because they will be accused of racism and that seems to be more important than actually enforcing the lockdown. Mind you, I guess it’s not a million miles away from how the Police gave up trying to Police park areas once restrictions were initially eased. The R number is going to be very interesting in a few weeks. All throughout this lockdown there is a sense that the law has only been upheld when the Police feel like it. Lets be honest, if the police tried to break up a BLM (or any other large) protest right now, its just going to kick off. The best they can do is help it pass peacefully That seems the sensible policing strategy to me Interesting that one, both ways the government are open to abuse, the other side could be seen as the protests were allowed to go ahead to infect as many as possible, so you've got the choice of people dying, or buildings vandalised. Which begs the question if the protesters kick of it again just shows that a section of protesters are only there for the chance of causing damage
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Post by inee on Jun 5, 2020 16:01:57 GMT
Morning, hope you're all still keeping well. Last Pointless quiz of the week for those that want to play and I've kept the periodic table out of this one Answers to me by 5pm please with results shortly after and any new players welcome! 1. Any Mr Men character, published in English as part of the Mr Men series written by Roger Hargreaves, that has the letter ‘Y’ in their name. Up to the end of 2012. Books by Roger Hargreaves and co-written by his son Adam accepted, as long as they have Roger Hargreaves credited as the author on the front. Characters created for limited edition or charity books not accepted. 2. The name of any club or national team that Robin van Persie scored a goal against while playing for Arsenal or Holland during the 2011/12 season, which was his last season at Arsenal. 3. Any word in the Oxford English Dictionary that ends with the letters ‘ZZY’. Hyphenated words, proper nouns and words marked ‘offensive’ by the dictionary not accepted. 4. Below are descriptions of fourteen famous Scottish people along with their initials in brackets. Just pick which one you think is the most obscure answer. Letter and full name when answering please. A) Pop singer and star of BBC documentary series ‘The Big Time’ (SE)B) Philosopher who wrote ‘Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion’ (DH)C) Inventor who was a principal developer of the steam engine (JW)D) Celebrity chef, restaurateur and TV personality (BJ) (GR)E) Sang ‘I Dreamed a Dream’ on Britain’s Got Talent (SB)F) Record-breaking athlete and inspiration for ‘Chariots of Fire’ feature film (EL)G) Leader of Scottish independence, defeated the army of Edward I (WW)H) Three-time Formula 1 World Drivers’ Champion (JS)I) Usually credited as the discoverer of penicillin (AF)J) Host of TV series ‘Changing Rooms’ from 1996 to 2003 (CS)K) Businesswoman and founder of a Glasgow-based lingerie brand (MM)L) Co-presenter on breakfast-time TV show ‘Daybreak’ 2010-2014 (LK)M) Former Liverpool FC player and manager (KD)N) Lead singer of the band Travis (FH)Have a good day and good luck! mr bendy fuzzy A) (SE) sheena easton
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Post by inee on Jun 5, 2020 2:06:15 GMT
Fantastic news. Means we have a permanent base that we don’t need to pay rent for that we can develop and raise the profile of the club. Great to hear Wael is committed to the club and investing into it aswell. Appears I owe Gasincider an apology, so if you’re reading this mate, sorry! Bloody hell how's that happened financially? somebody must have bought a season ticket
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Post by inee on Jun 5, 2020 1:24:47 GMT
terrorised at school by the black kids and then beaten up when I got home by my dad. Are you my brother, had the same sh** when i was in primary, and during the first year of secondary , when i learnt to fight back, funny how quick it stops then, stood in front many a punch aimed at mum as well. although dad did step in with the bullying and try to help but it just made it worse What galls most is people won't believe it happened and decide hey you must have done something to get bullied(standard teacher response). You see these types on here And yet it's these same people who insist on seeing people not as one race ie humans but as separate races based mainly on colour, some also seem to think that religion is also a race.
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Post by inee on May 31, 2020 23:03:57 GMT
I really can’t escape the idea that Johnson is now playing popularity politics, would this still be the road they are going down if it wasn’t for Cummings? The lockdown is collapsing as we speak, and the Cummings episode blew any chance of reinforcing the message out of the water. Unless of course they'd sacked him, which Boris was never going to do. It's been collapsing since it started, it's gathering speed every day now, I've noticed not just hospital staff cars back on our road, but a steady rise in people on the road, this last week we've also noticed a lot more people from all age groups ignoring the distancing tis almost as if the last few months of advice was never given, I totally agree with you and others about cummings, lets face it when someone in his position does what he did, an awful lot of people will take it to mean, that the worst is over and automatically assume they can carry on as before.
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