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Post by LJG on Jun 21, 2021 14:06:04 GMT
You don't think it was weird that Barton pretended that he was dropping him for the rest of the season when the truth was he had a season ending injury requiring surgery? When did Barton pretend to drop him as I don't recall that? The week before Barton did the presser announcing he was out for the season injured he did a post match calling him out and implying he wouldn't be picked again for the season.
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Post by LJG on Jun 21, 2021 11:01:44 GMT
I don't think he was made a scapegoat at all I believe JB seen straight through him and seen that he was not here because he wanted to be. And for ME to come out and say he was happy with his performances just says all you need to know as the majority of them were pathetic injured or not. You don't think it was weird that Barton pretended that he was dropping him for the rest of the season when the truth was he had a season ending injury requiring surgery?
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2021 17:49:39 GMT
What was wrong with coordinates? When you're on the phone to the emergency services you don't want to be saying "I'm at 51.486479,- 2.583407 ... no no four OH seven ... no SEVEN ... yeah ... no FOUR oh seven ..."
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2021 11:58:35 GMT
SCAM EMAIL. If you receive an email with the subject line "2 free tickets for the next Scotland home game" DO NOT OPEN IT. It contains 2 free tickets for the next Scotland home game. Very good but I think we should keep the P?!s taking to after,as it may well come back and bite us on the arse just like the Iceland game. Was that Kerry Katona's prawn ring?
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2021 10:56:35 GMT
Come on, this thread is hilarious. Surely even you can see the funny side? If you can't, there is a serious point to be made here: The Roman Empire collapsed in the early fifth century. At the time the people living on the island we now call Britain lived and worshipped in stone buildings, had running water, functioning sewage systems, heated public baths, drank wine and used olive oil. In the last years of the Roman Empire the army was removed to defend the middle east and Britain saw a collapse politically and in quality of life that would not recover for centuries. When the saxons arrived in the late sixth/early seventh century (two hundred years later) people were living in mud huts with no public governance. Politically things didn't recover for about four hundred years when Alfred the Great came along in the ninth century. Things calmed down a bit after the Norman invasion of 1066 but in terms of day to day amenities and quality of life things really didn't get back to where they were until the middle ages - early Tudor times in the 15th century. Nearly one thousand years later! So, although they didn't bring about the fall of the Roman Empire (as I'm sure the mighty gasheads.org with Swissgas leading the charge won't bring about the fall of Wael) there were peoples living here, the Picts and the Pretons (or Britons - from the latin Pretani meaning "Tattooed savage") who put up "Romans Out" banners at Aylesford away. Once they got their wish they were at leisure to regret it for the next thousand years ... That’s all well and good but where was Delia when Alfred needed some help with his cakes? He'll never live that down. Imagine that ... the first king of England and people won't stop going on about some burnt cakes. Wael must know how he feels!
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2021 10:47:22 GMT
Well, I’m flattered that I’m worth so much to make a parody thread about, I really am. However, if you think this kind of taunting is enough to dishearten me and to stop me posting my legitimate opinions, you are most certainly wrong. tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito. Come on, this thread is hilarious. Surely even you can see the funny side? If you can't, there is a serious point to be made here: The Roman Empire collapsed in the early fifth century. At the time the people living on the island we now call Britain lived and worshipped in stone buildings, had running water, functioning sewage systems, heated public baths, drank wine and used olive oil. In the last years of the Roman Empire the army was removed to defend the middle east and Britain saw a collapse politically and in quality of life that would not recover for centuries. When the saxons arrived in the late sixth/early seventh century (two hundred years later) people were living in mud huts with no public governance. Politically things didn't recover for about four hundred years when Alfred the Great came along in the ninth century. Things calmed down a bit after the Norman invasion of 1066 but in terms of day to day amenities and quality of life things really didn't get back to where they were until the middle ages - early Tudor times in the 15th century. Nearly one thousand years later! So, although they didn't bring about the fall of the Roman Empire (as I'm sure the mighty gasheads.org with Swissgas leading the charge won't bring about the fall of Wael) there were peoples living here, the Picts and the Pretons (or Britons - from the latin Pretani meaning "Tattooed savage") who put up "Romans Out" banners at Aylesford away. Once they got their wish they were at leisure to regret it for the next thousand years ...
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2021 8:41:39 GMT
Still in better shape than the Mem as well Bring back the Romans! Well, if I remember correctly, there used to be an advertisement for Roman Glass at the Mem…….not sure if that is of any significance? 1990/91 shirt sponsors.
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Post by LJG on Jun 18, 2021 8:29:07 GMT
The thing is, those of us who were on the old official forum and 606 remember that Higgs was constantly criticised for all the opposite reasons Wael is (not pumping in enough money, not splashing the cash enough, not writing off the debt). Now Wael is doing all the things those people wanted, most of those same people are saying Higgs was a golden era. It's difficult not to believe that those voices aren't just there because they always want the club up for sale because they hope they might be the one (or ones) to buy it. Well let me explain myself. I criticised Higgs for taking out the Wonga loan, I criticised him for going through managers like a moth goes through fine cloth. I even cast doubt on his ability to take us forwards financially after it became apparent that he wasn’t willing to put any more of the Cowlin sale into the football club. However I never once doubted that he didn’t have the right intentions at heart, that he didn’t want us to build a new stadium or achieve success. Higgs wasn’t a golden era, but it was an era of transparent communication, actually putting an effort into creating a project to deliver a new stadium and staying true to intentions and not twisting and finding some new cool fad of running the football club every time the wind changes. We now have an owner, that got into football by going to university in the 80s and supporting Chelsea, who views us as a distraction, a little play thing while the real world happens around him and his brother Hani puts actual effort into keeping the investment bank alive after the sad passing of his father. He might have the same passion as Higgs, but he doesn’t exemplify the same understanding of how businesses in Britain are run. Higgs came into owning rovers, a success business man having succeeded in the construction industry, his business was sold to Balfour Betty in a multi million pound deal ffs. All Wael’s wealth is inherited, I personally find it a bit sad that he’s decided to P?!s it away on an underperforming football club rather than invest it, spend it on his own happiness or give it away to charity. I want nothing to do with the purchasing of BRFC, a waste of money if you ask me. However it is true that I know people that would be more forgiving in their assessment and willing to take the club on given the right assurances. Thanks for your considered response. I have to say it sounds a lot like you are admitting to criticising Wael for doing the opposite things you criticised Higgs for. The fact that you say you are friends with someone who wants to buy the club does add a certain amount of colour to your line of argument. There are a couple of things you've said I have to disagree with I'm afraid: Higgs era being one of transparent communication- sorry but no. Higgs was continually torn to shreds on the old official forum (and I actually think there are threads on this place) for his lack of communication. People made such a fuss that he eventually started doing his weekly news letter for about 9 months but people again ragged that for not just saying "I'm pumping in £20m to get us to the Championship and ground has been broken on a stadium build" every week. Eventually it dropped down to once a fortnight or so then disappeared completely again. "staying true to intentions and not twisting and finding some new cool fad of running the football club every time the wind changes" - you missed the Feng Shui goldfish bowl behind the goal then? How about Ray Graydon's army boot camps? Ian Atkins sitting in the TV gantry and phoning his instructions down to pitch side? I'm sure I've missed a few. Higgs was a successful businessman - again, I think I disagree. He might have had a lot of money but I don't think you could say he was a successful businessman. Cowlin construction was not Higgs' business. It was 130 years old when he sold it. I'm not entirely sure but I'm quite convinced that he too inherited his place in that business. I had contractor mates who would tell me that in the 90s if Higgs offered them work they would always turn it down because they knew that the day before the job was due to start he would call them back with the offer doubled. You find it sad that Wael is spending his money on BRFC rather than "spending it on his own happiness or giving it to charity" - what's it got to do with you? That's not really a reason that someone shouldn't own a football club is it? Because you think it would be nicer for them to go on holiday or sponsor a guide dog? As I've said - all of the voices saying much the same thing as you seem to come from people who have a mate who wants to buy BRFC ... why don't you advise him to spend it on himself or give it to charity?
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Post by LJG on Jun 17, 2021 23:14:23 GMT
Wael could announce tomorrow that he’s just bought land, building a stadium and financed it himself and Harry would still say he’s untrustworthy coz the last thing he heard was Wael talking about the fruit market. Nope. That’s what I desperately want, as any gashead would. The concern comes from it not being delivered despite 5 years and many empty promises that it would. Not hating on Wael, just questioning how the club is run. The thing is, those of us who were on the old official forum and 606 remember that Higgs was constantly criticised for all the opposite reasons Wael is (not pumping in enough money, not splashing the cash enough, not writing off the debt). Now Wael is doing all the things those people wanted, most of those same people are saying Higgs was a golden era. It's difficult not to believe that those voices aren't just there because they always want the club up for sale because they hope they might be the one (or ones) to buy it.
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Post by LJG on Jun 13, 2021 9:48:30 GMT
Craig has just announced his retirement from football a great servant for the gas released far to early Tbh at the time i agreed with the decision to move him on, same with Steve Elliott, we needed better if we were gonna go for top 6 (which They said was the aim that year) but they were replaced with much worse players who also lacked the passion for the club, it’s one of those for me where in hindsight I wish we’d have kept them rather than sign the likes of blizzard and tunniclife.. but the ideal thing would have been to have replace them with better players like they were meant to. Regardless they’re gas hero’s imo Every football podcast I listen to ex-players agree that team spirit is as important as the quality of the players. It was a mistake to break up that team so quickly - that was evident at the time I thought, not just in hindsight. A mistake DC didn't make when we were promoted from the Conference.
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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2021 22:40:32 GMT
Erm ... I still feel like you're making my point for me but phrasing it as though it's a rebuttal to what I've said. Wael made the appointment and demotion. Yes. It's evidently and I think undeniably been done at the behest of Barton. Pretty much my sole point is that Wael has done the deed because Barton has demanded it. That's literally from where my scepticism has arisen. I've never said anything about a bank. I said "any organisation, sporting or otherwise" so other football clubs are included in that and as yet no one has been able to give another example. Fair enough. I’ve had a few and relaxed enough to no longer care. Just happy that we have a new guard and not the nonsense we had before. Have a great weekend Cheers. You too. Hopefully it all works out well.
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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2021 22:01:33 GMT
I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED. Yes, but Wael could have said no. You’re saying that a operational manager is appointing board members. He’s not. If Wael didn’t like it, he couldn’t appoint them. Joey has clearly suggested people and given the current directors are abject failures, Wael is taking this advice. The point being made is Joey is not appointing them and could not appoint them. I’m not sure where you’re going with the NED point, I would say a pointless hair splitting exercise to win pointless points. Agree to disagree. If you think that first team managers don’t have an extremely strong influence on a football club and are, if anything, more powerful than some or all directors, and want to compare it to the board structure of Barclays Bank, feel free to do so. Erm ... I still feel like you're making my point for me but phrasing it as though it's a rebuttal to what I've said. Wael made the appointment and demotion. Yes. It's evidently and I think undeniably been done at the behest of Barton. Pretty much my sole point is that Wael has done the deed because Barton has demanded it. That's literally from where my scepticism has arisen. I've never said anything about a bank. I said "any organisation, sporting or otherwise" so other football clubs are included in that and as yet no one has been able to give another example.
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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2021 10:48:50 GMT
Do not despair, remember you only hear the voice of those who shout the loudest but though they bluster and huff and puff they are very much in the minority and will be drowned out by the quieter more reasoned huge majority! I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Some of the dissenting voices may be right. Reason is the only sensible position to hold. Which only ever earns pelters from both sides.
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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2021 10:47:14 GMT
Name a single other organisation in the world, sporting or otherwise, that have allowed second tier management to appoint and remove board members. When you realise there are none. Have a think about why that might be. That’s a false analogy. It’s much more like a musician telling their record label they don’t like their producer and mixer and they want new one. Controlling directors control businesses, and the decision rested with Wael, not Joey Barton. I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED.
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Post by LJG on Jun 10, 2021 20:55:25 GMT
Well I agree that if you completely ignore the fact that: - Gibson is Barton's mate from Fleetwood; and - Barton said he would insist on having full control of recruitment, making Widdrington's position untenable then there's nothing to suggest Barton had anything to do with it. But only if you ignore all the evidence that it is obviously Barton's doing. would you be happier to carry on as we are? Going nowhere, we’ve been absolutely sh**e for four years now, bar the the short period under GC. I think it’s what we need. So what if he’s bringing his people across. It’s not even a gamble, it’s got to happen. Name a single other organisation in the world, sporting or otherwise, that have allowed second tier management to appoint and remove board members. When you realise there are none. Have a think about why that might be.
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Post by LJG on Jun 10, 2021 18:11:31 GMT
What makes us Gas heads better than other football forum posters. I thought i would apply the seven heavenly virtues applied to us gas heads as a test ! BTW this not a serious post or dig at anybody its a bit of fun ! Faith: Have faith in your team and manger. Hope: Try to convey positive messages about our club that give hope to others. Charity: accept others views and promote healthy discussions Fortitude: Take strength and behave appropriately When the club is doing poorly Justice: Treat other posters as you would wish to be treated. Temperance: Don't spend all day online thinking how bad your club is Prudence: Think before you post. How many of us gas heads can truly say they have these 7 virtues in mind to make us a cut above the rest ? Me - No i can think of a few on here they may want to read these virtues before posting Discuss ! Penitence: Admit that you are wrong and repent ... under a different username.
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Post by LJG on Jun 10, 2021 17:44:52 GMT
I've thought of one - Barry Fry at Peterborough before Darragh MacAnthony came on board. Barry was owner, Chairman and First Team Manager and it was a f**king shambles. So much so that the BBC did a documentary on it. Which D Mac saw and that's how he came on board. Edit - sorry it was Sky One's Big Ron Manager. How do you know that he’s instructed all this to happen? TW did a sh** job, got sacked, maybe? Well I agree that if you completely ignore the fact that: - Gibson is Barton's mate from Fleetwood; and - Barton said he would insist on having full control of recruitment, making Widdrington's position untenable then there's nothing to suggest Barton had anything to do with it. But only if you ignore all the evidence that it is obviously Barton's doing.
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Post by LJG on Jun 10, 2021 14:47:14 GMT
The same as when any manager leaves or gets sacked! Can you tell me the last manager we had, that did exactly the same, as the one previous? I cannot remember, ever, in the history of the club, when directors have been appointed to or removed from the board or their job roles redefined on the say so of the manager. Can you tell me the last manager we had that did that? I don't think there is one. Can you tell me any club who has done that? Ollie bought shares in Grimsby but didn't get a seat on the board nor the ability to put his mates in place and oust others. I've thought of one - Barry Fry at Peterborough before Darragh MacAnthony came on board. Barry was owner, Chairman and First Team Manager and it was a f**king shambles. So much so that the BBC did a documentary on it. Which D Mac saw and that's how he came on board. Edit - sorry it was Sky One's Big Ron Manager.
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Post by LJG on Jun 10, 2021 14:20:36 GMT
I agree with you that I have some strong skepticism about transforming the club into Barton Rovers. Nothing to do with it being Joey Barton I would be saying the same whoever it was. What is the average life span for a league manager? I can't be bothered to check but three yearsish? It's inevitable that Joey will leave whether that's because we ask him to or he decides himself. When that happens we will have another complete reset. The same as when any manager leaves or gets sacked! Can you tell me the last manager we had, that did exactly the same, as the one previous? I cannot remember, ever, in the history of the club, when directors have been appointed to or removed from the board or their job roles redefined on the say so of the manager. Can you tell me the last manager we had that did that? I don't think there is one. Can you tell me any club who has done that? Ollie bought shares in Grimsby but didn't get a seat on the board nor the ability to put his mates in place and oust others.
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Post by LJG on Jun 10, 2021 12:35:28 GMT
I wonder if Eddy Jennings will be appointed as the new CEO, he can't become DOF now as he was at Fleetwood and it looks as if he has been promised a job. Are you sure you're wondering, Steve or are you just trying to push conspiracy theories cooked up on the other forum?
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