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Post by LJG on Apr 15, 2021 8:57:13 GMT
Worst set of forwards I’ve ever seen at Rovers. Even at a conference level we had a better standard. Don't think so. Ignoring JCH in the 18/19 crop: Gavin Reilly 4 league goals Alex Jakubiak 2 league goals Stefan Payne 2 league goals Tom Nichols 1 league goal. To date in 20/21: Hanlan 7 league goals Daly 3 league goals Ayunga 2 league goals I would happily take any of the current crop over any of those 18/19 crop. I can't be bothered to find the minutes played stats maybe someone else can. As an aside looking at those 18/19 stats now it is almost unbelievable that DC played Nichols over Gavin Reilly week in week out. It's similarly strange that Daly can't get a start now.
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Post by LJG on Apr 15, 2021 8:37:23 GMT
Where is Fanatical to tell us there's no money?
Come out come out wherever you are ..
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Post by LJG on Apr 15, 2021 8:36:45 GMT
It looks like Barton's asked Weal why we're building a rugby clubhouse rather than a football club training centre! I see the architects did consider a two story building which sounds similar to Fleetwood's. To answer my own question on the other thread, Wael doesn't seem to intend to reel in his spending. Just as it was completely obvious, despite his claims, that Garner had absolutely nothing to do with the training ground, it's equally obvious that, having been here 8 weeks, this is nothing to do with Joey Barton. And your own question on another thread didn't need answering. It didn't even need asking. Wael said he was committed to the club financially in his statement weeks ago.
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Post by LJG on Apr 14, 2021 9:52:43 GMT
Far less relevant as a question. So much so it's irrelevant. Brilliant reply !. I just responded to the question you asked. The sentence I wrote was lengthy so understandable that it wasn't completely clear but the basic sentiment was: The question of how much more he'll spend is no more relevant now than when Higgs was in charge, in fact ... its far less [relevant].
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Post by LJG on Apr 14, 2021 9:36:18 GMT
It's not a good question it's an irrelevant question. The owner is the owner. Same as every other football club. The question of how much more he'll spend is no more relevant now than when Higgs was in charge, in fact, following the capitalisation of the debt and the funding of the training ground, its far less so. Ironically Topper to this day will argue until he's blue in the face that there's no way Higgs would have let us go into administration if a buyer hadn't been found (even after Higgs publicly stated that funding via MSP was unsustainable and the board weren't prepared to put any more money in). But for some reason now Topper is concerned that the person who has continued to fund and develop the club off field and has publicly stated that he will continue to do so will stop putting his money in. Why does Topper always believe the opposite of what people say? So on one hand you tell me it's not a good question But an irrelevant question.Then you make a statement " Following the debt and training ground its far less ". What's far less ?. Far less relevant as a question. So much so it's irrelevant.
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Post by LJG on Apr 14, 2021 9:35:34 GMT
Barton threw it in ages ago. If the manager doesn't believe it, why shouldn't it. People can moan about Widdrington being smug/bullish or whatever, but at least he was confident The difference between the two is that Barton doesn't have to shoulder the blame he can deflect it in whichever direction he likes. That is exactly what he has done and lots have bought it. Widdrington is 100% responsible for the squad that has been assembled and therefore also responsible for where we are. The big test for Barton will start next season when the buck will stop firmly at his feet. Assuming that he is still with us then. Does that definitely make sense? Barton can blame other people so he has so it's Widdrington's fault because Barton has blamed him instead of taking some responsibility? Is that right?
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Post by LJG on Apr 14, 2021 9:32:50 GMT
Never understand why people hold this Sam Frost guy up as such a bastion of gospel truth. Most of what he says is supposition and the stuff he can find out for certain (the level of debt for example by simply looking at the accounts) he gets completely wrong. His stuff is a bit lazy in my opinion. He said what we been all saying we need a striker in January. The club failed and it could put us back 5 years. Surely you want some reflection how a club tipped to do well end up in basement division. That's sort of my point. He's saying what we're all saying. It's lazy repetition, there's no insight. If I want to think all the things I already think I can just think them, I don't have to read the Evening Post as a reminder.
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Post by LJG on Apr 14, 2021 9:21:36 GMT
Never understand why people hold this Sam Frost guy up as such a bastion of gospel truth.
Most of what he says is supposition and the stuff he can find out for certain (the level of debt for example by simply looking at the accounts) he gets completely wrong.
His stuff is a bit lazy in my opinion.
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Post by LJG on Apr 13, 2021 22:13:55 GMT
Let’s stay respectful then. Th man has put a lot into our club, he’s hurting just as much as us , if not more. In defence of topper he like some of us are questioning : how much more is this good man prepared to spend ?. He's blown £25 mil on a 3rd division side who seems like they are back in 4 . Its a good question . Will he continue next season in light of the demise of salary caps and spend big ?. He will have the JCH money and possible sell on to justify a good budget . I'm sure he never ever thought a possible championship push will end up in the basement . The people around him should apologise not Wael . It's not a good question it's an irrelevant question. The owner is the owner. Same as every other football club. The question of how much more he'll spend is no more relevant now than when Higgs was in charge, in fact, following the capitalisation of the debt and the funding of the training ground, its far less so. Ironically Topper to this day will argue until he's blue in the face that there's no way Higgs would have let us go into administration if a buyer hadn't been found (even after Higgs publicly stated that funding via MSP was unsustainable and the board weren't prepared to put any more money in). But for some reason now Topper is concerned that the person who has continued to fund and develop the club off field and has publicly stated that he will continue to do so will stop putting his money in. Why does Topper always believe the opposite of what people say?
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Post by LJG on Apr 12, 2021 14:42:14 GMT
Have you looked on there, LJG? Interesting - apparently we only need to go to the market for investors (there's loads of them falling over themselves to pour money into the cash cow that is an English Football League club), get someone else to build a ground and rent it off them. Rent training facilities as well. We'll rocket up the league then. It's all so easy. Amazing how people know Wael's personal business - hope mine aren't so visible. Had a 10 minute look last week for the first time in about 3 years. I found it quite disturbing. Not the conspiracies themselves but more the intensity of the delusions that many of them labour under and the level of poison that has created within themselves. Kind of like when Jimmy Stewart starts losing the plot in Rear Window.
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Post by LJG on Apr 12, 2021 10:41:02 GMT
This is the tenth page and all the questions about 'why did we not bring in a striker?' - and yet nobody seems to recognise the fact that we have no money! Have you started doing this as a tribute to Gasincider? You're on the wrong forum. Gasheads.org is the one for all the crackpot conspiracy theory stuff. It's like a David Icke convention over there. This tired old (easily disproven) "There is no money" crap wouldn't even scratch the surface over there. You've got to really go for it on gasheads.org, like pretending that the debt which has been capitalised (as a matter of record with governmental bodies) hasn't been capitalised and that Dwayne isn't owned by anyone because you checked on companies house (even though Dwayne isn't a UK registered company). Proper stuff. Not "no money" bullshit. Must try harder! Now go on - I want three new good ones before lunchtime.
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Post by LJG on Apr 10, 2021 19:08:23 GMT
The blame? Lies with the players and whoever recruited them. Put simply the players are not good enough and the team must be a dream to play against. We are currently a team that inevitably makes stupid mistakes at the back and has a set of strikers incapable of scoring goals. We are exactly in the right league position. Steadfastly sinking back to L2. But not the person who sanctioned the selling of our star striker and then seems to have spent most of the proceeds on developing the training ground he personally owns rather than reinvesting proceeds in the playing squad? The same person also decided that the club's vision in future would be to cast aside experience and go solely for youth from the management team downwards? Err ... if the money from the sale of JCH was spent on the training ground who did we sell to pay the £3m losses? Or are you being deliberately disingenuous?
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Post by LJG on Apr 9, 2021 10:15:01 GMT
I think a couple years ago he wasn’t very good but he plays as a number 10 and has 7 goals 5 assists this season which is very good for a number 10 I think he now matured and is hitting his prime. Is 7 goals very good for a number 10? Seems about 7 or 8 short of very good to me. At least 5 short of good and probably 3 short of just about right.
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Post by LJG on Apr 8, 2021 22:47:20 GMT
Ok Is he under 10? If so I apologise Rich is a poster of old and has a very uniquely positive style. Yes, it may fit the “mindless optimism” camp but there’s nothing wrong with optimism. I’d take ten of these over the usual cynical nonsense It began I believe with the original GBG thread in 2014 I believe Hmmm... weren't we relegated the season of the original Groundbreaking thread I believe? More bad omens.
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Post by LJG on Apr 8, 2021 10:58:10 GMT
This is a bad omen. These FA inquiries are one of the four horsemen of our relegation apocalypses - think Wycombe 2014.
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 18:21:51 GMT
LGJ, bet you wouldnt say that to his face So what?
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 13:29:15 GMT
You're exactly right, we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes. And we shouldn't - that's why it's behind the scenes. That's exactly the point I'm making. I'm a supporter of Bristol Rovers. Not Joey Barton or Ian Holloway or Ray Graydon or Gerry Francis or any other manager that might be in charge from time to time. If whatever manager who is in charge for the time being begins publicly to ridicule the internal workings of the club to deflect from his appalling managerial record then its fine, as a supporter of the club and not the manager to call that into question and to criticise him for having done it. That applies to Mourinho who did the same,I don't see it as a such a big issue plenty of people get publicly criticised in all other sports and walks of life so they need to be professional and step up. If there were fans in the ground they would be getting slaughtered or do you think that shouldn't happen either? . So a fine line ok for the fans to mouth off but not the boss. It's not really that fine a line though is it? Its quite a big fat line. It's like a senior manager of a business calling the products and the way the owner has run things rubbish just because some customers have too - its nowhere near the same thing. In anything but football that would earn you your marching orders. Unprofessional particularly when you don't have the results to back it up.
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 13:16:12 GMT
The Barton IN crowd thankfully far out number those who want him out. Why don't you get behind the bloke and at least give him next season to build his side instead of trying to criticise his every move without any knowledge of what has gone on behind the scenes? We don't know what has caused him to come out in public at the time he has. Perhaps other methods have not worked. It is about time that we as supporters got behind the club and supported. You're exactly right, we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes. And we shouldn't - that's why it's behind the scenes. That's exactly the point I'm making. I'm a supporter of Bristol Rovers. Not Joey Barton or Ian Holloway or Ray Graydon or Gerry Francis or any other manager that might be in charge from time to time. If whatever manager who is in charge for the time being begins publicly to ridicule the internal workings of the club to deflect from his appalling managerial record then its fine, as a supporter of the club and not the manager to call that into question and to criticise him for having done it.
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 12:01:04 GMT
The "Penalties don't count" thing is such a weak argument. We've heard it before about Elliot Richards. Then we swapped him for Alan Gow and the rest is history (that history being we went down because we'd stopped winning and scoring penalties). Tom Nichols and Luke James are perfect examples of how easy it is to score penalties. Penalties do count. You dont go out on the pitch hoping to get a penalty as its the only way you will score though do you (?) Penalties are bonuses not something to base a league campaign around. You still have to score a pen and many dont , im not deriding the skill. Lets face it you dont sign a striker because he is a good penalty taker or winner of them ......but maybe we did ! You would base a campaign around the ability of particular players. If you have a skilful striker then you would build it around that. Winning and scoring penalties is an integral part of the skill of a striker. As we found to our detriment having sent Elliot Richards to Exeter.
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Post by LJG on Apr 5, 2021 11:58:30 GMT
I couldn't care less about his historical criminal past and I haven't mentioned it anywhere in my criticism of him. I don't see how my comments can't be seen as a rational appraisal of the current situation 1. His form since becoming manager is terrible; 2. He slags off players publicly; 3. Slags off coaches publicly; 4. Slags off predecessors publicly; 5. Slags off the club publicly. Whether or not you agree with any of what he says, he's acting in a totally unprofessional manner and getting terrible results to boot. But on this thread prior to this message you hadn’t said any of that - just called him names. I agree that his appointment so far hasn’t had the desired effect on results but our play has been more structured. Re his public criticism of players, I agree in that personally I didn’t think it was the right move but at the same time maybe he was hoping it would give an effect in the player wanting to prove him wrong. I don’t see any issues with criticising ex managers. If he can evidence it then that’s fine. Yes he may have been a bit strong in his words used but he’s obviously not happy with the condition of some of the players and to be fair we’ve seen how badly we fade and the head drop mentality so he probably has a point to a degree.... FWIW my opinion is that I thought we let Garner go too quickly (he went just as our results had started to improve) - but I understood it, I thought we didn’t give Tisdale a fair crack of the whip - but again the results and performances were not improving and I personally wouldn’t have recruited JB at this time - I would have put a caretaker team in place until the end of the season and evaluated things then. I do think he’s a good coach but I thought we’d have better view and options in the summer. However, he’s here and whilst results aren’t improving I do think our general play is. I also like his way he’s throwing his all into it and his knowledge and experience and general press conferences are good. I also think he’s is someone to stick with longer term as a) we can’t keep sacking managers as that brings no stability and just confusion to the players and b) based purely on opinion and gut feelings, I think he will get us performing and a more penetrative and attractive team with a bit of steel next season. Just my views You might have missed it but I did post those exact concerns on the first page of this thread: an ex-premier league player who, at the moment is doing everything he can to ruin the club I support by publicly slating the players and the club in the press and talking about what he's going to do next season instead of concentrating on changing his dogshit form (twice as bad as the previous two managers) in this season. So not just calling names. Again- my point is not whether or not I agree with anything he says, my point is whether I agree he should be saying it. I do agree that the timing of the sacking of Garner was peculiar.
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