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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 13:23:21 GMT
Look, mate. I know you've got a dogshit record of backing managers but you can't make the Joey Barton fairytale into something it's not. He's done f**k all as a football manager and, sadly for us, continues to do f**k all as a football manager. I'm not your mate. And he's clearly finished higher in the league than any Bristol Rovers manager has achieved in over two decades. Those are the facts, whether you like them or not. Good to know the limit of your ambition is going absolutely nowhere. Probably why you keep picking these duff managers
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 12:57:41 GMT
No he hasn't. That's a completely artificial fiction. He joined a club who'd finished 14th in the league and left them 17th in the same league. Achievement - less than nothing. No, you are wrong and what you are saying is an "artificial fiction". He left them 10th in the table, three points off the top 6. Look, mate. I know you've got a dogshit record of backing managers but you can't make the Joey Barton fairytale into something it's not. He's done f**k all as a football manager and, sadly for us, continues to do f**k all as a football manager.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 12:55:39 GMT
Sorry are you throwing stones in your greenhouse again? Dobson never managed again after his failure with us, Garner doesn’t deserve a chance after his abject failure, Dave Penney definitely deserved another chance. Garner sank the team he took control of, stripped morale and set up for the season with three strikers. Two who had barely ever played league football. Yes and he will probably learn from his mistakes,I would like to see BG prove us all wrong one day even though he got it terribly wrong here and I wasn’t happy losing TC or TN or LS but we carry on until JB or whoever gets this club rocking again. You weren't happy losing Tom Nichols? The bloke who scored 4 goals in three seasons and lost DC his job? You think that was £350,000 well spent and wanted to chuck more money at him? Tom Nichols is objectively the worst player Rovers have ever had. That's not my opinion, the stats speak for themselves. We have never had a less worthwhile player in the history of the club.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 12:46:18 GMT
Big f**king whoop. A play off spot? Big deal. Like I said, he's achieved absolutely nothing. And who do you think who has achieved ‘something ‘ is going to want to come to us ! Utg That's not really anything to do with the point I'm making.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 12:45:05 GMT
Big f**king whoop. A play off spot? Big deal. Like I said, he's achieved absolutely nothing. More than we've managed in two decades. No he hasn't. That's a completely artificial fiction. He joined a club who'd finished 14th in the league and left them 17th in the same league. Achievement - less than nothing.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 12:04:33 GMT
What is it with Rovers fans that the default position is to blame the woes of the world on our own club? It's always "Board out" "Sell up" blah blah blah no matter who is in charge. Been the same for the last 30 years. The bottom line is we've got a mediocre manager who has achieved the square root of f**k all in management. Every time a new one of these shysters blows through the door we all want to turn the club upside down to suit them. If we're going down I'd probably rather have had that fraudulent twat Tisdale in charge. At least he's achieved something down there unlike the new messiah who has done zero of note in football management. Ever. When was the last time Bristol Rovers got into the end of season League One playoffs? 22 years or so ago. So that is one thing Barton has done that no Bristol Rovers manager has managed to achieve in over two decades. Big f**king whoop. A play off spot? Big deal. Like I said, he's achieved absolutely nothing.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 11:32:23 GMT
This thread is brilliant! Basically, it is absolutely everyone who has been involved with BRFC for the last two decade's fault... with the exception of our current manager, who is completely blameless and not only that, but we must also now speak to him and find out how we turn this whole mess around. Absolutely baffling. Don't get me wrong, I am certainly not suggesting that JB is to blame for all of this, but he certainly takes his share of the blame. Ultimately very poor recruitment both in the summer and then again in January have cost us dearly. Who is in ultimate charge of recruitment? Haha. I basically posted exactly the same thing on the Great Reset thread. It's the Rovers fans' way - blame ourselves.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 11:27:45 GMT
think they need to immediately extend JB's contract if hes all in lets have him until 2027 No thanks. I hope his contract is terminated at the end of the season. Nothing to do with him being a Special lady garden off field. He's just not very good at his job.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 11:26:05 GMT
What is it with Rovers fans that the default position is to blame the woes of the world on our own club? It's always "Board out" "Sell up" blah blah blah no matter who is in charge. Been the same for the last 30 years.
The bottom line is we've got a mediocre manager who has achieved the square root of f**k all in management. Every time a new one of these shysters blows through the door we all want to turn the club upside down to suit them.
If we're going down I'd probably rather have had that fraudulent twat Tisdale in charge. At least he's achieved something down there unlike the new messiah who has done zero of note in football management. Ever.
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Post by LJG on Mar 23, 2021 21:42:09 GMT
Joey is now the 3rd manager that can't get a tune out of these players. None of these players are his. The officiating since Barton has took over has been awful. We lack leadership and a proven goalscorer. The bloke can only work with what he has. We as fans and the board need to back him fully whether we are in L1 or L2 next season. Blaming the tools ...
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Post by LJG on Mar 23, 2021 20:42:39 GMT
Wael, Starnes, Widdrington, Garner, Tisdale and now Barton. All culpable. Shambles. This club is an embarrassment. Totally agree . It started last October and continued . It's almost like Wael had enough and no one seems to stop the rot !. All the other clubs are fighting recruiting in Windows . It reminds me of prior Higgs times . Very sad .. Haha, yeah Wael had enough so capitalised £20m worth of debt. Good one.
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Post by LJG on Mar 23, 2021 15:28:34 GMT
I am aware that there are posters on here that do not like my views on the recruitment of Barton. But I will say this. If a manager or anyone in this position has something to say over the employees performance, it would be dealt with behind closed doors and not broadcast in the local rag. This is not the way to motivate, only to destroy. I expect it's some sort of calculated and deliberate last-ditch effort to get a reaction before it's too late. At least, I would hope so. I'm confident it's a deliberate ploy to distract everyone while Wael, Starnes and Widdrington sell the Mem to make their millions out of the profit that used to be debt.
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Post by LJG on Mar 21, 2021 14:03:00 GMT
With the influx of overseas players in the top flight the quality of home nation players has increased at lower levels. It might be that Rovers have gone from being a league one level club with a few short stays in the championship. To a league 2 club with a few short stays in league 1. This is what modern history is suggesting. Especially when you consider Rovers used to finish top ten majority of seasons. Now they have not been inside the top ten this century. So reverting to a new normal , rovers will get relegated and then spend upto 10 years getting back up again. So dont be complacent about relegation ,a bounce back is unlikely. Many Rovers fans may never see the team play at league one level again if it happens. So all i can suggest is to send as many positive and battling messages as you can to the club and team. Let them know they are in a battle and we are with them. Indeed. There is no guarantee of bouncing back first time of asking, in fact I'd say it's unlikely. A poor team doesn't suddenly become competitive just because they're playing in the league below. History from plenty of clubs including ours suggests going down again is just as likely.
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Post by LJG on Mar 21, 2021 11:39:27 GMT
Eh? Sorry, I think your desire to create a negative story around Wael's ownership is making you very confused. If you're selling a company you would be very unlikely to open a credit facility with a bank. The bank would also be unlikely to give it to you. In our case Wael is funding us so we have no external debt owed to banks. Other than just trying to make things sound bad when they're not I'm not really sure what you're talking about. If that is what you think you carry on. You cannot compare the ownership of Rovers to a limited company on the stock market no matter how clever you think you come across. Why don't you explain what you meant so we can discuss if it really is an issue or not. If it's something that concerns you about how the club is run surely explaining it here would be the best way to ensure people properly understand the risk of that issue ... whatever it is.
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Post by LJG on Mar 21, 2021 11:37:24 GMT
I can understand the basis for your logic but it’s very simplistic and a bit misleading. If it were that simple we would all, no doubt , find it very simple to become stock market investing millionaires. Whilst profitability and P/E play a part I can’t imagine an investor basing their valuations on those factors alone and in fact successful investing would often be made quite contrary to those factors Hypothetically, Buying the Rovers for £1 would not be a wise move when on paper 100,000 shares at 10p says you will be making £9,999 straight away! No it wouldn't. Par value of shares is irrelevant as I've said.
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Post by LJG on Mar 21, 2021 11:36:42 GMT
You presume wrong. And not just because of the reasons that Stuart has illustrated. A company's sale value is not dictated by the par value that shares were issued at - the two things are completely unrelated. A profitable company will be valued by reference to the amount of income the company generates. Dividend yield or earnings per share. A loss making company - like Rovers - will be valued by reference to the net value of its assets - what does that company own minus what does it owe. At no point would anyone ever say "Ah I see you have 100,000 shares issued at 10p per share therefore your company is worth £10,000 and that's my offer to purchase it". I can understand the basis for your logic but it’s very simplistic and a bit misleading. If it were that simple we would all, no doubt , find it very simple to become stock market investing millionaires. Whilst profitability and P/E play a part I can’t imagine an investor basing their valuations on those factors alone and in fact successful investing would often be made quite contrary to those factors Sorry, you're just going to have to accept I know what I'm talking about. Please believe I 100% definitely know more about this subject than you. As I've said in normal commercial circumstances the only way to value a company in Rovers position would be net asset value. At no point would the par value of issued share capital be relevant to a sale valuation of the whole entity.
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Post by LJG on Mar 21, 2021 11:31:40 GMT
You presume wrong. And not just because of the reasons that Stuart has illustrated. A company's sale value is not dictated by the par value that shares were issued at - the two things are completely unrelated. A profitable company will be valued by reference to the amount of income the company generates. Dividend yield or earnings per share. A loss making company - like Rovers - will be valued by reference to the net value of its assets - what does that company own minus what does it owe. At no point would anyone ever say "Ah I see you have 100,000 shares issued at 10p per share therefore your company is worth £10,000 and that's my offer to purchase it". Thank you for the reply. I do understand the scenario regarding shares, companies and how they run on debt and also when assets are worth far less than debt projected income etc. That’s when companies call in their loan facilities from Bankers which is ideal in our situation. Eh? Sorry, I think your desire to create a negative story around Wael's ownership is making you very confused. If you're selling a company you would be very unlikely to open a credit facility with a bank. The bank would also be unlikely to give it to you. In our case Wael is funding us so we have no external debt owed to banks. Other than just trying to make things sound bad when they're not I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
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Post by LJG on Mar 21, 2021 10:44:32 GMT
You're not seeing the situation as it is. You're seeing the situation as you've misunderstood it to be. Share capital is not debt no matter how much Swissgas and Sam Frost both, wrongly, say it is. It never has been and never will be. If you claim that it is, how much debt are City in to Steve Lansdown? The answer is still none. Because share capital is not debt. The big difference is that Steve Lansdown has converted £100+ million to shares/written off as that is small change to a man worth close on £2 billion with another £1 billion in shares of Hargreaves Lansdown, unless he sold them, but £20 million to a man worth £25 million?? is quite a lot! Share capital is not debt it is a guise as being debt free! Rovers are worth nothing but if someone wanted to buy them the starting price would be £20 million I presume? You presume wrong. And not just because of the reasons that Stuart has illustrated. A company's sale value is not dictated by the par value that shares were issued at - the two things are completely unrelated. A profitable company will be valued by reference to the amount of income the company generates. Dividend yield or earnings per share. A loss making company - like Rovers - will be valued by reference to the net value of its assets - what does that company own minus what does it owe. At no point would anyone ever say "Ah I see you have 100,000 shares issued at 10p per share therefore your company is worth £10,000 and that's my offer to purchase it".
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Post by LJG on Mar 20, 2021 22:32:30 GMT
No it isn't. To say it is is either misinformed or deliberately disingenuous. So Wael has not got a debt of £18/20 million or whatever it is under a different guise? That amount is totally written off and not hiding away somewhere to rear its ugly head in the future? If that is the case then I am gladly corrected and misinformed. As for being disingenuous, I don’t believe I am at all just seeing the situation as it is. You're not seeing the situation as it is. You're seeing the situation as you've misunderstood it to be. Share capital is not debt no matter how much Swissgas and Sam Frost both, wrongly, say it is. It never has been and never will be. If you claim that it is, how much debt are City in to Steve Lansdown? The answer is still none. Because share capital is not debt.
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Post by LJG on Mar 20, 2021 18:52:07 GMT
I won't claim to know all the facts but wasn't a lot off the debt owed to himself/family and wasn't a lot of it created under his ownership? e.g. all the money he wasted on all the extra staff he employed at board level (Steve Hamer) and throughout the club? all the equipment he bought for the pitch that has never been used? Careful you will start Steve off! Of course, you are right and the debt is still there only under a different guise. No it isn't. To say it is is either misinformed or deliberately disingenuous.
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