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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 21:44:39 GMT
Err ... I'm pretty confident he's been a football MANAGER not RUNNING A FOOTBALL CLUB. So on that basis I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say there is nothing to suggest he should be allowed to shake up the club "FROM TOP TO BOTTOM". I don't have to be a "Barton hater" to point that completely obvious, totally irrefutable fact out. So his time in football he hasn't gained a wealth of knowledge in how a football club is run. And to shake it up from top to bottom can be read however you want. Wael is at the top I'm sure he isnt trying to get rid of him but there maybe one or two that are cutting the mustard. How far to the bottom do you go is he referring to the tea lady,the workers in the club shop I very much doubt it. I would take it in all the years he has been involved in football he would spot a decent coach and someone who is just not putting it all in. The club is going backwards and a shake up is exactly what is required and if it dosent happen then I fear for the future of our club. Is Joey Barton the correct man to taken all this on I have no idea but yet again I would trust him more than I would trust other ex managers to change the way we operate. Wael will have his own ideas of what he wants to do and with some input from JB it could be the kick start we need as we cannot keep going on like we are. I see you just don't want to answer my question on who from within you would promote assuming i would criticise. In would just be interested as I believe there is nobody. I would also like to know your opinion on what direction we should head in taking JB out the picture. Do you think we don't need a shake up? There's lots of JB bashing but no alternative to how we should go. I don't agree that the club is going backwards. The club is debt free for the first time in multiple decades and has it's own state of the art training facility. So, Idon't think the club is in need of a shake up. The team are not performing well on the pitch. That's completely different. My opinion is that internal appointment has always seen us do best. The question of who I would appoint just distracts from the question of whether or not we should allow Joey Barton to "shake up" the club. I think plenty were disappointed when DC was appointed, probably Gerry even. GC was doing well, Ollie did well. I think it's something we should take as a model for the club.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 19:46:47 GMT
Err ... I'm pretty confident he's been a football MANAGER not RUNNING A FOOTBALL CLUB. So on that basis I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say there is nothing to suggest he should be allowed to shake up the club "FROM TOP TO BOTTOM". I don't have to be a "Barton hater" to point that completely obvious, totally irrefutable fact out. I might have missed it so apologies if that's the case but has it been stated anywhere that Barton is going to be given freedom to make any changes outside of the usual remit of a manager. Obviously he'll have a say but surely any final decisions with regard to non playing matters are made by the board ? There are plenty of posts on various threads stating Starnes and Widdrington should be relieved of their duties and Barton being allowed to make wholesale changes throughout the club "from top to bottom" that seems to me to be a suggestion that Barton have influence not just on the playing side.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 19:24:24 GMT
It doesn't matter who I would have appointed that's totally irrelevant to the point at hand and naming literally anyone would just give you the opportunity to deflect from the fact you're proposing that someone with zero knowledge of running a football club be given carte blanche just because he's played premiership football. It's also irrelevant that he knows more about football than someone on Gaschat- Gaschat doesn't run the football club. What's important is whether he knows more than someone with experience of running a football club. You've offered nothing to back up why it would be a good idea because there is nothing. Zero knowledge of running a football club. So what has he been doing for the last couple if years. Just shows your so anti Barton you actually believe what you write. Again it is relevant who would you appoint who has knowledge of how to run a club. We have noone on our books that would be able to take up the challenge so your point about hiring within is total garbage. Err ... I'm pretty confident he's been a football MANAGER not RUNNING A FOOTBALL CLUB. So on that basis I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say there is nothing to suggest he should be allowed to shake up the club "FROM TOP TO BOTTOM". I don't have to be a "Barton hater" to point that completely obvious, totally irrefutable fact out.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 17:06:39 GMT
You said you haven't seen me post anything positive about the club. So by implication I'm either not posting or I'm posting negatively about the club. But we know I am posting because I'm doing it right now ... look ... see? So where are my negative posts? If there was a single piece of evidence, I mean literally a single piece - any evidence at all, that Joey Barton was going to turn the club into a high flying established championship club then I'd be inclined to accept this "he needs to sort the club from top to bottom" bullshit. But there isn't. Not one single thing that indicates we should entrust Joey Barton to do anything at all. Not here. Not at Fleetwood. Not anywhere else. So you can bang on and on about how someone who has been in football management for, what, three seasons? being the person to completely change an established club but that doesn't change the fact that there's literally nothing to indicate he even knows the first thing about running the business of a football club. Nothing. You just want it to be true because that's the current fixation of a few fans. If he was Neil Warnock or Harry Redknapp or even Steve Bruce I might be give it a second's consideration. But he isn't. So I won't. Still didn't answer the question though have you. Who in the club would you have moved up to become manager? Is that because there is noone so instead take the subject back to Barton. You have no idea what he can do what he can't do and it's all pure speculation,maybe he can sort out where we are going wrong maybe he can't but I would more inclined to listen to someone who has played the game at the highest level for a number of years and believe he knows what he is talking about over a poster on Gaschat. It doesn't matter who I would have appointed that's totally irrelevant to the point at hand and naming literally anyone would just give you the opportunity to deflect from the fact you're proposing that someone with zero knowledge of running a football club be given carte blanche just because he's played premiership football. It's also irrelevant that he knows more about football than someone on Gaschat- Gaschat doesn't run the football club. What's important is whether he knows more than someone with experience of running a football club. You've offered nothing to back up why it would be a good idea because there is nothing.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 14:48:52 GMT
Where are my negative posts about the club? Post one here in reply to this. Go on. Find one now and post it here. As for the rest of it. We have an established history of success based on not bringing in outsiders. It's easy to believe what the latest passer by says when they're under pressure to perform and believe it. Much more balanced to look at the fact we were flying in 4th in December 2019 with the same staff behind the scenes at the club. I didn't say any negative posts I said positive so i wont bother looking back through any of your posts thanks. So out of the people here who would you put in charge as there is no-one that is capable at present. You keep going on about being 4th but the manager walked out on us. Yes he came from within but also had plenty of experience and was in the ideal place to step up. I can't think of anyone in our system that could step up or want to step up and do the job. We keep appointing from within but where has that got us in reality,yes that's right a league one club and we haven't progressed past that level since the early 90s. Maybe just maybe to step up to the next level we need to step out of our comfort zone and go with an outsider and back them. You said you haven't seen me post anything positive about the club. So by implication I'm either not posting or I'm posting negatively about the club. But we know I am posting because I'm doing it right now ... look ... see? So where are my negative posts? If there was a single piece of evidence, I mean literally a single piece - any evidence at all, that Joey Barton was going to turn the club into a high flying established championship club then I'd be inclined to accept this "he needs to sort the club from top to bottom" bullshit. But there isn't. Not one single thing that indicates we should entrust Joey Barton to do anything at all. Not here. Not at Fleetwood. Not anywhere else. So you can bang on and on about how someone who has been in football management for, what, three seasons? being the person to completely change an established club but that doesn't change the fact that there's literally nothing to indicate he even knows the first thing about running the business of a football club. Nothing. You just want it to be true because that's the current fixation of a few fans. If he was Neil Warnock or Harry Redknapp or even Steve Bruce I might be give it a second's consideration. But he isn't. So I won't.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 14:14:43 GMT
See all of my other posts answering this question. They were 2 simple questions. Just require a yes or no and a name if you have one? Both questions have been answered in the post above. But here you go: No. But end of season up or down it's cheerio thanks. Internal appointment.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 13:58:51 GMT
Not silly to want to get rid of a total managerial nobody who only ever talks down the club. Wael should pay for 3 sackings aye? Who should we appoint? See all of my other posts answering this question.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 13:58:18 GMT
Not silly to want to get rid of a total managerial nobody who only ever talks down the club. Havent seen many positive posts from you about the club. Get rid of a managerial nobody brilliant and bring in who,yes that's right another managerial nobody with no league 1 experience and says yes sir no sir three bags full sir. JB remarks are exactly what is needed and what alot of people already think and it looks like there are going to be some notable casualties in the summer as Wael will back Barton regardless of what happens this season. One question for you if Barton is relieved of his duties at the end of the season who do bring in to sort the mess out or do we continue along the same path and end up getting relegated to the conference which I would imagine would finish our beloved club off once and for all. Where are my negative posts about the club? Post one here in reply to this. Go on. Find one now and post it here. As for the rest of it. We have an established history of success based on not bringing in outsiders. It's easy to believe what the latest passer by says when they're under pressure to perform and believe it. Much more balanced to look at the fact we were flying in 4th in December 2019 with the same staff behind the scenes at the club.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 13:42:27 GMT
So we are meant believe that Tisdale, an experienced manager, decided not to sign a striker in January and then moaned about it? Widdrington said in his interview after Tisdale was sacked that you can’t always land your transfer targets and the squad was good enough. If our Director of Football remains at the football club then nothing will change, get rid asap. It’s a lot easier for people to have a scapegoat (Tisdale/now Barton) than face the actual truth. We’re heading to the conference if TW and Starnes stay. 3 managers now, will be 4 if Barton gets sacked or resigns. Absolute madness club is in disarray. Stsrnes and Widdrington were here when we were 4th in the league. What truth did we have to face back then?
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 13:36:54 GMT
Get rid of this f**king idiot asap. Don’t be silly. Not silly to want to get rid of a total managerial nobody who only ever talks down the club.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 12:26:46 GMT
Some really really bizarre shouts in this thread.... - 'GC was pushed out!' He quite literally told us he was leaving to be closer to home, complete nonsense to say that he was pushed. - 'BG was hanging around the place begging for the job!' I mean, I don't even know where to f**king start with this one! What is wrong with some people. There is an overwhelming desire among many to believe that everything the club does is evil or inept and that whatever it is the most recent blow-in says is the absolute gospel truth and the answer to cure all ills.
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Post by LJG on Mar 25, 2021 9:23:16 GMT
Like I said we obviously have different definitions of the word "achievement". Losing a play off isn't an achievement it's the absence of an achievement. Which is why on his Wikipedia page it doesn't list "Lost in the play offs" under Honours as a manager. Achievements and honours are different things. Keeping a clean sheet is an achievement but it won’t be listed on your Wikipedia page. Another achievement would be taking a balanced view on things and entering discussions in a spirit of camaraderie and understanding. Yet, I note it’s not listed on your Wikipedia page yet. OK, sure I accept that. This has all distracted from my initial point. Whether I agree or not getting into the play offs is an achievement- it's no more than John Ward did but I'm sure it would be regarded as ridiculous to say "John Ward is the man to sort this club out from top to bottom". My opinion is that it's equally ridiculous to say it about Joey Barton. I think people have been blinded by his playing career and the fact he is a well known name in football. Equally nothing good has ever come from someone coming from outside the club to "sort it out from top to bottom". The opposite is true in fact, our best periods have come from internal appointments and stability in staff turnover.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 22:06:16 GMT
Look, mate. I know you've got a dogshit record of backing managers but you can't make the Joey Barton fairytale into something it's not. He's done f**k all as a football manager and, sadly for us, continues to do f**k all as a football manager. No-one, and I mean no-one, except possibly you, would say that a manager who got us into the L1 playoffs had done f**k all for us. But if he does it for another club, then presumably it doesn't count. And this was Fleetwood we're talking about here. Not Sunderland or Ipswich. His current record is indeed terrible, but you seem to be harping on relentlessly (as you always do when you've got an idea in your head) about his past record and denying factual achievements. Pointless unless you just love arguing. Like I said we obviously have different definitions of the word "achievement". Losing a play off isn't an achievement it's the absence of an achievement. Which is why on his Wikipedia page it doesn't list "Lost in the play offs" under Honours as a manager.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 18:04:06 GMT
Completely counterproductive, self serving bullshit. Same as the Ehmer comments. What self-respecting member of that squad is going to read any of this and want to put a shift in for him on Saturday? Those that need to have a job going forward and show a bit of professional pride. Well they're already on the back foot on that one. 9 more games won't make any difference. Motivation from a manager can do a lot. We've seen players trying get rid of a manager- if one is calling them "cancer" good luck firing them up to help you keep your job.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 17:56:40 GMT
Completely counterproductive, self serving bullshit. Same as the Ehmer comments.
What self-respecting member of that squad is going to read any of this and want to put a shift in for him on Saturday?
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 15:52:50 GMT
Joey’s morning after the night before presser; “If I could go in today and cut surgically the cancer that’s running throughout the club out, I would. But I can’t because I need a period of time and a transfer window to do that." Absolutely damming of the work of his predecessors and no punches pulled whatsoever. Good on you Joey. How can anyone read that and not agree with most of what he said.. Quite easily.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 15:33:26 GMT
Get rid of this Dam idiot asap.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 14:03:45 GMT
Good to know the limit of your ambition is going absolutely nowhere. Probably why you keep picking these duff managers LJG if we got to the play offs and made it to Wembley I bet you would be in the queue for a ticket? You can sh** all over someone when something bad happens and give them no credit when they have done what we would consider a good job. Again, that's not really the point I'm making. Most of the threads on here for quite some time have contained a decent amount of posts about how Joey Barton is going to sort this club out. 1. It has for as long as I can remember been Rovers fans continual perspective that everything the club does is wrong and that some unproven outsider is the person to "sort it out" despite the evidence that nearly all of our success historically has come from sustained periods of internal promotion within the club. 2. There's zero evidence that Joey Barton is the man to do anything. He has literally achieved nothing in football management. Clearly some people's definition of "achieve" is quite different to mine and apparently "unsuccessful attempt" means the same as "achievement" in their vocabulary. But the evidence is that we are no better off than if we had stuck with that idiot Garner or that self centred tosser Tisdale.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 13:36:38 GMT
I do wonder where all the "things are wrong at the club" actually sit? There is a threadbare board of directors, two members who have zero experience in any similar position. Add Wael, again no board experience in this business and a CEO who appears to have the personality of middle level admin manager. Is it here? How does that change when one shareholder has 90% of the share capital? Is it the coaching structure? Is it recruitment? No it's all of it. This club is in a complete mess and the Wael led experiment of ownership style has been a failure. The one success being digging us out of the mess of the Higgs era. I think we need new ownership and method. The manager is just a cog within that, not the answer alone. Focussing on the manager will only lead to the same place. All this leads to the conclusion that DC was absolutely right. That'll be £4m a year please.
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Post by LJG on Mar 24, 2021 13:31:59 GMT
You weren't happy losing Tom Nichols? The bloke who scored 4 goals in three seasons and lost DC his job? You think that was £350,000 well spent and wanted to chuck more money at him? Tom Nichols is objectively the worst player Rovers have ever had. That's not my opinion, the stats speak for themselves. We have never had a less worthwhile player in the history of the club. Off the top of my head Bennett would need to play about 100% of his current minutes played tally to rival Nichols utter abject shitness ratio.
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