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Post by Gastafari on Jul 23, 2017 15:28:52 GMT
You could've said the same about Matty Taylor, when he signed he was the same age as Nichols but had never played a minute of league football, and his record at Conference level was 22 goals in 96 games. Tom Nichols record is 45 goals in 147 games at either League 1 or League 2 which is a better ratio at a better standard. I don't see why Nichols couldn't get 20-25 at this level. He's not particularly great in the air, strong or quick and it will take a massive improvement to get anywhere near 20-25 goals. The most he has ever scored at League One level in a season is 10 goals and his record of 12 goals in 58 games suggests he will have done really well to get even 15. I hope I'm wrong though and wish him well. That's my point, at the same age as Nichols, Matty Taylor had never even played at league level. Before signing for Rovers, the most Taylor had scored at Conference level in a season was 10. I remember the stick Taylor got when he first signed, he's nowhere near good enough, why are we signing Forest Green cast offs? We'll never get out The Conference if we're signing players like this. Taylor wasn't great in the air, wasnt a brute, and didn't have blistering pace either. He improved immensely and within 2 years he was the most prolific striker we've had in 20 odd years. With this in mind, Nichols could also improve and get 20+ a season at this level.
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Post by pirate on Jul 23, 2017 15:30:48 GMT
He's not particularly great in the air, strong or quick and it will take a massive improvement to get anywhere near 20-25 goals. The most he has ever scored at League One level in a season is 10 goals and his record of 12 goals in 58 games suggests he will have done really well to get even 15. I hope I'm wrong though and wish him well. That's my point, at the same age as Nichols, Matty Taylor had never even played at league level. Before signing for Rovers, the most Taylor had scored at Conference level in a season was 10. I remember the stick Taylor got when he first signed, he's nowhere near good enough, why are we signing Forest Green cast offs? We'll never get out The Conference if we're signing players like this. Taylor wasn't great in the air, wasnt a brute, and didn't have blistering pace either. He improved immensely and within 2 years he was the most prolific striker we've had in 20 odd years. With this in mind, Nichols could also improve and get 20+ a season at this level. I can't see it myself with Nichols, but hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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Post by oddsongas on Jul 23, 2017 15:36:42 GMT
That's my point, at the same age as Nichols, Matty Taylor had never even played at league level. Before signing for Rovers, the most Taylor had scored at Conference level in a season was 10. I remember the stick Taylor got when he first signed, he's nowhere near good enough, why are we signing Forest Green cast offs? We'll never get out The Conference if we're signing players like this. Taylor wasn't great in the air, wasnt a brute, and didn't have blistering pace either. He improved immensely and within 2 years he was the most prolific striker we've had in 20 odd years. With this in mind, Nichols could also improve and get 20+ a season at this level. I can't see it myself with Nichols, but hope you're right and I'm wrong. But could you see it wIth taylor?? He couldn't hit a barn door to start with. That's his point
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Post by paulpirate on Jul 23, 2017 15:38:23 GMT
That's my point, at the same age as Nichols, Matty Taylor had never even played at league level. Before signing for Rovers, the most Taylor had scored at Conference level in a season was 10. I remember the stick Taylor got when he first signed, he's nowhere near good enough, why are we signing Forest Green cast offs? We'll never get out The Conference if we're signing players like this. Taylor wasn't great in the air, wasnt a brute, and didn't have blistering pace either. He improved immensely and within 2 years he was the most prolific striker we've had in 20 odd years. With this in mind, Nichols could also improve and get 20+ a season at this level. I can't see it myself with Nichols, but hope you're right and I'm wrong. i can,he is better than Taylor when Taylor was 23 and can only improve under the special one
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Post by DTGas on Jul 23, 2017 15:40:22 GMT
That's my point, at the same age as Nichols, Matty Taylor had never even played at league level. Before signing for Rovers, the most Taylor had scored at Conference level in a season was 10. I remember the stick Taylor got when he first signed, he's nowhere near good enough, why are we signing Forest Green cast offs? We'll never get out The Conference if we're signing players like this. Taylor wasn't great in the air, wasnt a brute, and didn't have blistering pace either. He improved immensely and within 2 years he was the most prolific striker we've had in 20 odd years. With this in mind, Nichols could also improve and get 20+ a season at this level. I can't see it myself with Nichols, but hope you're right and I'm wrong. Genuine question; how many times have you actually seen Nichols play?? Or are you basing your opinion from stats you've found online?
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 23, 2017 15:41:32 GMT
Pirate, what are you basing your doubts on? I would have thought Nichols record is one of gradual improvement. I understand the scepticism that anyone has but his achievements to date are ok and with better coaching could improve a lot. Anyway, we will soon see but we will need to give him time to settle. Let's hope he can get a few tap ins to build confidence. UTG!
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Post by pirate on Jul 23, 2017 15:46:46 GMT
I can't see it myself with Nichols, but hope you're right and I'm wrong. Genuine question; how many times have you actually seen Nichols play?? Or are you basing your opinion from stats you've found online? It must be at least 4 or 5 times, probably more.
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Post by pirate on Jul 23, 2017 15:48:03 GMT
Pirate, what are you basing your doubts on? I would have thought Nichols record is one of gradual improvement. I understand the scepticism that anyone has but his achievements to date are ok and with better coaching could improve a lot. Anyway, we will soon see but we will need to give him time to settle. Let's hope he can get a few tap ins to build confidence. UTG! Based on his record and watching him play.
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 23, 2017 15:57:53 GMT
Pirate, what are you basing your doubts on? I would have thought Nichols record is one of gradual improvement. I understand the scepticism that anyone has but his achievements to date are ok and with better coaching could improve a lot. Anyway, we will soon see but we will need to give him time to settle. Let's hope he can get a few tap ins to build confidence. UTG! Based on his record and watching him play. He played for Exeter in a live FA cup match a couple of years ago and looked very lively, think DC will bring out the best in him, thought you d be happy with him, posh don't make many errors in the transfer market bar before someone says it Luke James!
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 23, 2017 16:05:08 GMT
Pirate, what are you basing your doubts on? I would have thought Nichols record is one of gradual improvement. I understand the scepticism that anyone has but his achievements to date are ok and with better coaching could improve a lot. Anyway, we will soon see but we will need to give him time to settle. Let's hope he can get a few tap ins to build confidence. UTG! Based on his record and watching him play. Out of interest, what were your thoughts on the signing of Matty Taylor? Did you ever watch him play?
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 23, 2017 16:16:37 GMT
Pirate, what are you basing your doubts on? I would have thought Nichols record is one of gradual improvement. I understand the scepticism that anyone has but his achievements to date are ok and with better coaching could improve a lot. Anyway, we will soon see but we will need to give him time to settle. Let's hope he can get a few tap ins to build confidence. UTG! Based on his record and watching him play. Personally mate I think you're chatting sh*te, sounds like you've made a statement that doesn't bear scrutiny and you haven't got the b*lls to back down. Oh and I'm basing that on your stats and having had to read dozens of your previous posts.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 23, 2017 16:17:52 GMT
Pirate, what are you basing your doubts on? I would have thought Nichols record is one of gradual improvement. I understand the scepticism that anyone has but his achievements to date are ok and with better coaching could improve a lot. Anyway, we will soon see but we will need to give him time to settle. Let's hope he can get a few tap ins to build confidence. UTG! Based on his record and watching him play. Well his record isn't bad. So watching him for Exeter, Posh or 2 halves so far for us? Surely you can't judge on the two halves can you? For Posh he didn't do bad did he? And for Exeter he was pretty good so I'm just a bit puzzled to see people think his record isn't At least acceptable. All about opinions I guess. UTG!
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Post by pirate on Jul 23, 2017 16:37:21 GMT
Based on his record and watching him play. Out of interest, what were your thoughts on the signing of Matty Taylor? Did you ever watch him play? I'd watched Taylor before signing for us and didn't think he stood out. The signing wasn't particularly remarkable at the time, but he went on to do great for us and hopefully Nichols does the same.
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Post by pirate on Jul 23, 2017 16:38:16 GMT
Based on his record and watching him play. Personally mate I think you're chatting sh*te, sounds like you've made a statement that doesn't bear scrutiny and you haven't got the b*lls to back down. Oh and I'm basing that on your stats and having had to read dozens of your previous posts. My opinion is different to yours so I'm chatting sh**? Good one.
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Post by pirate on Jul 23, 2017 16:43:28 GMT
Based on his record and watching him play. Well his record isn't bad. So watching him for Exeter, Posh or 2 halves so far for us? Surely you can't judge on the two halves can you? For Posh he didn't do bad did he? And for Exeter he was pretty good so I'm just a bit puzzled to see people think his record isn't At least acceptable. All about opinions I guess. UTG! What are you judging him on then? I can only rate the player on what I've seen. He hadn't stood out when I've watched him, but that doesn't mean he won't score plenty here - different team, different players around him. Hopefully he scored plenty.
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Post by pirate on Jul 23, 2017 16:47:05 GMT
Based on his record and watching him play. He played for Exeter in a live FA cup match a couple of years ago and looked very lively, think DC will bring out the best in him, thought you d be happy with him, posh don't make many errors in the transfer market bar before someone says it Luke James! Posh make plenty of mistakes in the market actually. They have been able to make mistakes because of the success they've had in other deals.
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 23, 2017 16:56:35 GMT
Personally mate I think you're chatting sh*te, sounds like you've made a statement that doesn't bear scrutiny and you haven't got the b*lls to back down. Oh and I'm basing that on your stats and having had to read dozens of your previous posts. My opinion is different to yours so I'm chatting sh**? Good one. And my opinion is that you're talking rubbish. Sorry, would you rather I say 'I beg your pardon good sir but pray may I differ in my opinion to you as I believe you are sorely mistaken in your conclusions' or perhaps you'd rather that people just don't express their opinion that your opinion might be wrong, as you would say, good one.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jul 23, 2017 17:04:03 GMT
You could've said the same about Matty Taylor, when he signed he was the same age as Nichols but had never played a minute of league football, and his record at Conference level was 22 goals in 96 games. Tom Nichols record is 45 goals in 147 games at either League 1 or League 2 which is a better ratio at a better standard. I don't see why Nichols couldn't get 20-25 at this level. He's not particularly great in the air, strong or quick and it will take a massive improvement to get anywhere near 20-25 goals. The most he has ever scored at League One level in a season is 10 goals and his record of 12 goals in 58 games suggests he will have done really well to get even 15. I hope I'm wrong though and wish him well.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jul 23, 2017 17:06:51 GMT
You could've said the same about Matty Taylor, when he signed he was the same age as Nichols but had never played a minute of league football, and his record at Conference level was 22 goals in 96 games. Tom Nichols record is 45 goals in 147 games at either League 1 or League 2 which is a better ratio at a better standard. I don't see why Nichols couldn't get 20-25 at this level. He's not particularly great in the air, strong or quick and it will take a massive improvement to get anywhere near 20-25 goals. The most he has ever scored at League One level in a season is 10 goals and his record of 12 goals in 58 games suggests he will have done really well to get even 15. I hope I'm wrong though and wish him well. did you watch that sh**e game yesterday? I did, what I did think at the end of the game was how committed, strong in the tackle that Nichols looked. So I don't agree with much you've posted here.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 23, 2017 17:37:41 GMT
Well his record isn't bad. So watching him for Exeter, Posh or 2 halves so far for us? Surely you can't judge on the two halves can you? For Posh he didn't do bad did he? And for Exeter he was pretty good so I'm just a bit puzzled to see people think his record isn't At least acceptable. All about opinions I guess. UTG! What are you judging him on then? I can only rate the player on what I've seen. He hadn't stood out when I've watched him, but that doesn't mean he won't score plenty here - different team, different players around him. Hopefully he scored plenty. I'm judging him on his record. As I've already said he did well at Exeter which persuaded Posh to spend a lot on him. At Posh he did ok last season, didn't set the world alight, but ok and scored about 13 goals in his first full season in league 1. And two halves for us, one half a day after flying out and another half hours after flying back. I'm sure you're not judging him on his games for us are you? He's a player who could develop into a very good player but we will see. He is a developing talent who could do very well and who, at the moment, represents better value for money than others, Godden for instance if the fee for him is as reported. By the way, I appreciate your posts and knowledge of players but I was very surprised by your reaction to Nichols, which you have a right to. I was just surprised, that's all. Just like you I hope he scores plenty. UTG!
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