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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 3, 2017 6:03:04 GMT
I really dread to imagine how some of our older suppporters feel. It is bad enough for myself but it's just another kick in the teeth for the oldies and no doubt will lead to more negativity. I also feel for DC, trying to build a team and ambitious to move forward. His next few interviews will be interesting. I worry we will lose him. The question is why did he sign the fiver year contract, and what has changed between now and then? I guess I must be classed as an older supporter now! Since the Eastville fire I have watched my team play in ramshackle not fit for purpose stadiums for 36 years ....and I can continue to do so for as long as it takes - at least I still have a club to support! The only bad taste for me is the inference that we are not paying our bills as that was something I was always proud of our record on...meeting those obligations rather than take the administration route and selling local businesses down the river with unpaid debts. Some clubs did that two or three times. So I hope that part is bunk. Another season starts this Saturday...let's hope we've got our one setback over and done with beforehand.
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Post by beaver132 on Aug 3, 2017 6:09:01 GMT
The only genuine worry I've had from day one of the takeover is Hamer.
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Post by surreygas on Aug 3, 2017 6:13:46 GMT
Extremely disappointing (but not unexpected) news as this seemed our best hope of a new stadium for many years. I hope the board can find it in themselves to provide more information as to why the UWE deal failed. As it stands at the moment there will be much speculation about the club's owners and the future of the club.
Wael has never held himself out to be Rovers' sugar daddy with unlimited deep pockets but I was really hopeful that the Al Qaedi's would be able to arrange the necessary financing to put us on a more sustainable foundation i.e. deliver a new stadium.
The failure of the UWE puts us back to square one - we have spent 30 years trying to find a suitable site and this is the latest in a long line of false hopes - it wont be easy to find another site as ideally located as UWE.
So come on Wael, give us some more information so we know exactly what is going on. Are you really serious about getting us the new stadium we need?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2017 6:20:15 GMT
Why did Weal get involved in Rovers in the first place if he couldn't deliver the UWE, poor due diligence on the UWE project or was he just hoping he could convince his family to cough up the money required. Why did the ALQ's still go ahead and buy The Colony when, by then, the UWE project must have been dead.
How much have the ALQ's spent on those two projects since the takeover, millions more added to our debts? Don't worry "keep calm"!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2017 6:23:37 GMT
The only genuine worry I've had from day one of the takeover is Hamer. Hamer is just Wael's spokesperson, perhaps it's just as well he gave the game away or we would never have seen this coming?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 6:42:08 GMT
Im not saying worse wont come out, but i dont think people can have it every which way. Either the owners have been sitting on the UWE news or they havent? If they have hang long for? You dont authorise the investment in all areas of the club (whether loans or not) in recent months if they new the stadium was a dead duck for that long. Wael is the face of the family and the real interested party in BRFC. Again if Hani is the big money man, why sign off on all this expenditure, if he is the one who was so say negotiating UWE. He would know the real details, so wouldnt exactly be spending the money whilst be fed s*** from others on the team. Ignore the Hamer speak. He is always here to say things. Whatever the negotiating terms, the family and/or Hani would/should have known how close they ever were to a deal, so i dont particularly buy pulling out of the club given their program of 'investment' Hope all is cleared up later regarding the bigger picture. I dont expect much detail re UWE on whether it was costs/leasehold/freehold and I hope it was just kept quiet, whilst over avenues have been explored I dont think anyone is suprised UWE is dead. Nick Higgs legacy stadium is finally trashed after all the s*** to get us to this point. If worse is to come, what have we really lost more than we would have 18 months ago when the old board had no ****g money and the club was dead in the water? Read more: gasheads.org/thread/6616/theories-on#ixzz4ofNa6q7q"If worse is to come"? - IF Bills aren't being paid - it could be the dreaded 'Big A' - Administration - that is then us truly stuffed - impossible? - hopefully more will be revealed today.
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Post by kivorover on Aug 3, 2017 6:43:15 GMT
The only genuine worry I've had from day one of the takeover is Hamer. Hamer is just Wael's spokesperson, perhaps it's just as well he gave the game away or we would never have seen this coming? Some Swansea supporters I know warned me about Hamer fron Day 1 said 'he is bad news'!!!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 3, 2017 6:45:07 GMT
Im holding out and believing that the uwe deal wasnt right for the club but i can well understand that people have doubts Me too. I think you have to be a certain type of person to believe this is the tip of the iceberg. I guess I'm not naturally that cynical! Life's better believing good things are coming until you know otherwise! How long have we been friends now? I feel like you hardly know me anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 6:52:16 GMT
Going to be interesting who's in Box 1 on the opening home match.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 3, 2017 7:18:55 GMT
If they couldn't do a deal with the UWE there's not a hope in hell they'll finance a new stadium on land that's not already presented to them on a silver platter. Personally, I've lost all trust in the ownership and won't be able to believe a word Wael and co. say going forward. All those stupid hope-building tweets 'watch this space' etc. No wonder he blushed with embarrassment back when he was persistently labelled by some as a billionaire. Well it kind of depends what "the deal" was. All we know is it's off. If they considered it bad for BRFC then why would they do it. Think we need some more info (if at all possible) as to why it's been called off before we can say one way or the other. Yeah, looking at NH's tenure, it's possible to say that not every decision he made for the club was spot on. The idea that Wael isn't to be trusted coz he isn't doing what NH wanted to do 6 years ago is a weird one. That everyone seems to think he should be doing this deal, even though no one knows the details of it, is another weird one. Yeah, it's disappointing, but we need to judge Wael on what he does with his own plans, not how he follows through on someone else's non-stellar legacy.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Aug 3, 2017 7:19:07 GMT
No, realist, wake up and smell the coffee dumbass, start reading between the lines. About time people starting questioning things a little more. The absolute idiocy of hero worshipping people we barely knew is looking rather silly now. Are you even a fan of the club at all? You're the one who needs to wake up. The new owners have come in and bailed us out of a very bad position which Mr Higgs had buried us in. The new owners not have cleared all the debt, but they've stabilised the ship. We now have a much stronger academy and an under 23 development squad, the Colony on the horizon, and they've just stopped us signing up for a stadium which I reckon would've turned out financially to be a big mistake. We don't yet know how UWE were trying to screw us over. They've invested more money in this club than any other owners in the club's history, and I, like many more people, think they always do things in the best interests of the club. Why are so many people conspiracy theorists? You should consider supporting the club, and not just the team that I assume you watch every Saturday. Getting behind the current owners will achieve a lot more than constantly looking for faults with every decision that they make, or you perceive they're making. And, that's Mr Dumbass to you my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 7:22:45 GMT
Crikey. Hands up if you are surprised? Anybody?
NO! Exactly, so stop crying, stop pretending to be itk, and stop chatting sh1t.
The situation will develop in due course.
Every deadline wrt info has been met. We were expecting news about UWE this month for apparent Jan start and we have it.
Until bad news arrives, please stop predicting it ffs!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 3, 2017 7:27:46 GMT
Crikey. Hands up if you are surprised? Anybody? NO! Exactly, so stop crying, stop pretending to be itk, and stop chatting sh1t. The situation will develop in due course. Every deadline wrt info has been met. We were expecting news about UWE this month for apparent Jan start and we have it. Until bad news arrives, please stop predicting it ffs! But I cut my hand earlier, therefore my leg will fall off.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 3, 2017 7:27:52 GMT
Well it kind of depends what "the deal" was. All we know is it's off. If they considered it bad for BRFC then why would they do it. Think we need some more info (if at all possible) as to why it's been called off before we can say one way or the other. Yeah, looking at NH's tenure, it's possible to say that not every decision he made for the club was spot on. The idea that Wael isn't to be trusted coz he isn't doing what NH wanted to do 6 years ago is a weird one. That everyone seems to think he should be doing this deal, even though no one knows the details of it, is another weird one. Yeah, it's disappointing, but we need to judge Wael on what he does with his own plans, not how he follows through on someone else's non-stellar legacy. Quality Post, agree 100%
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Post by Nortongashead on Aug 3, 2017 7:29:21 GMT
The UWE was a floored legacy from the previous owners. Bad news we couldn't get the deal over line, good news we can move forward and see what the owners are really made of. This I believe is a monkey off our back, fair play to the owners for not doing a bad deal.
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 3, 2017 7:33:07 GMT
Hamer is just Wael's spokesperson, perhaps it's just as well he gave the game away or we would never have seen this coming? Some Swansea supporters I know warned me about Hamer fron Day 1 said 'he is bad news'!!! Me too, i was living in swansea when he was there and my employer sponsored one of The stands at the vetch. Didn't have a good word to say.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 7:34:45 GMT
Some Swansea supporters I know warned me about Hamer fron Day 1 said 'he is bad news'!!! Me too, i was living in swansea when he was there and my employer sponsored one of The stands at the vetch. Didn't have a good word to say. Not that I'm Steve's best mucker, but how is this his fault?
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 3, 2017 7:37:18 GMT
It isn't i was replying to a comment saying Swansea fans thought he was dodgy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 7:47:15 GMT
It isn't i was replying to a comment saying Swansea fans thought he was dodgy. Oh. It's just that these finger pointing posts are appearing off the back of the stadium news. So had we started the build today, would the Swansea fan pov be invalid or irrelevant? If you see what I'm getting at?!
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Post by gasincider on Aug 3, 2017 7:49:21 GMT
All the hand wringing and having a pop at one another gets us nowhere.
Before we can move forward, we need to embrace the past, and comprehensively come clean about why the UWE has failed. I hope and pray that it is all down to the greedy sods at UWE. That would at least prove a good starting point for our future relationship with, and confidence in our current owners.
This has to be the immediate starting point, no ifs or buts or any more of this secrecy rubbish. Agreed, certain issues need to be kept quiet, but not to the exclusion of everything. Above all, from now on the club must embrace its fans and communicate. We were told at a meeting in Weston that there was a plan B, by SH. Is that true? If not then I'm afraid there will be no faith in SH ongoing,and a change will be needed. If true, where does it stand currently, and if the site cannot be named, is it in South Gloucester, and can the land be purchased?.
It staggers me that Spurs and Arsenal can build new stadiums in the middle of our capital, but we cannot even buy empty land in a city surrounded by lots of unused space.
If South Gloucester really want us, now is the time to get real. Over to you South Gloucester Council.
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