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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 3, 2017 19:08:00 GMT
A list of reasons why it's a sh** idea.
Is the Mem a suitable site?
Parking is a nightmare already, traffic is a nightmare already, the transport is crap already.
The biggest a stadium at the Mem could be is around 18k and will cost a fair bit based on the design and build requirements.
Not a problem, ok let's keep going, onto planning and design We've got to design it, we've got to get planning for it. Bristol City council don't like us. It'll take forever.
Not a problem, let's get it built So err, we've got to move the pitch, that means sacrificing existing significant capacity by building whilst we're still at the ground. Any way you do it we'll lose a ton of capacity.
It's just a mess to redevelop. Any benefits are far outweighed by any cons. Time to find an exciting new site. Emersons green please!
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Post by syg on Aug 3, 2017 19:39:41 GMT
Does anybody know if there is anything that would stop an underground carpark? If that was possible we would have a pretty big space to play with.
Trying to think of a ground with this and I can't.
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Post by gaelgas on Aug 3, 2017 19:41:54 GMT
Does anybody know if there is anything that would stop an underground carpark? If that was possible we would have a pretty big space to play with. Trying to think of a ground with this and I can't. The fact that it would probably cost more than building a stadium?
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Post by pirate on Aug 3, 2017 19:44:05 GMT
Does anybody know if there is anything that would stop an underground carpark? If that was possible we would have a pretty big space to play with. Trying to think of a ground with this and I can't. Monaco.
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Post by gaelgas on Aug 3, 2017 19:45:48 GMT
Does anybody know if there is anything that would stop an underground carpark? If that was possible we would have a pretty big space to play with. Trying to think of a ground with this and I can't. Monaco. Old Trafford?
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Post by amgas on Aug 3, 2017 19:47:58 GMT
I think "re-developed" Mem will be a much smaller scale thing than many on here think. More likely to be a new south stand. Then a new blackthorn end stand - Hamer can find plans for this in a cupboard somewhere at the Mem - just need the dust blown off. All followed a long way in the future by changes to the sides ...... Really don't see a major rebuild or a big increase in capacity unless we move.
P.S anyone still got pics of the new North Stand Plans seems we have come full circle so would be good to see those again !!! What year was that about 2004/5 ?
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Post by aghast on Aug 3, 2017 20:04:49 GMT
I think "re-developed" Mem will be a much smaller scale thing than many on here think. More likely to be a new south stand. Then a new blackthorn end stand - Hamer can find plans for this in a cupboard somewhere at the Mem - just need the dust blown off. All followed a long way in the future by changes to the sides ...... Really don't see a major rebuild or a big increase in capacity unless we move. P.S anyone still got pics of the new North Stand Plans seems we have come full circle so would be good to see those again !!! What year was that about 2004/5 ? Interesting to look at the 2007 redevelopment pictures. Stadium looks OK to me, with parking room for three Smart cars.
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Post by keygas on Aug 3, 2017 20:28:19 GMT
I think "re-developed" Mem will be a much smaller scale thing than many on here think. More likely to be a new south stand. Then a new blackthorn end stand - Hamer can find plans for this in a cupboard somewhere at the Mem - just need the dust blown off. All followed a long way in the future by changes to the sides ...... Really don't see a major rebuild or a big increase in capacity unless we move. P.S anyone still got pics of the new North Stand Plans seems we have come full circle so would be good to see those again !!! What year was that about 2004/5 ? Interesting to look at the 2007 redevelopment pictures. Stadium looks OK to me, with parking room for three Smart cars. That will do for me , forgot how good it looked. Seems like a smaller version of Ibrox & I sure it would it produce a cracking atmosphere. I know people talk about no parking but there are plenty of grounds I have visited around the country which have none or very limited parking & they manage to cope.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:34:54 GMT
There is not a parking space to be found now around the Mem with a 11000 crowd, let alone with a 20000 turnout and a vastly reduced stadium carpark to boot. That's just one con of many and as for any pros, can't see any. I have said it before, there is plenty of commercial land available at Avonmouth,a stadium and decent sized carpark will take up little room compared to the vast warehouses that are appearing by the day all over that area and as a bonus an agreed new junction on the M49 to improve access. Its a no brainer as far as I am concerned, the UWE land was unique because of its ownership, we will find nothing in the Bristol area for sure. If the club are not prepared to move a few miles out of town any thoughts of Championship or Premier league football will never happen. They could even ditch the training ground and site it next door to the stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:36:23 GMT
Still feel a new site must be the best option if funds for the stadium are supposedly there. This is Bristol not the Orkney Islands, must be another alternative even if its not in Bristol.
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Post by brfcwerton on Aug 3, 2017 21:15:30 GMT
The stadium plans above included student accommodation, of course any redevelopment now would not require the accommodation leaving some space for parking. Another answer to the parking problem would be for the club to lease one of the many vacant areas of land along Muller Rd for match day parking such as the old bus station. Something that I may raise with the Chairman.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 22:05:51 GMT
f**k.
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Post by mumbles on Aug 3, 2017 22:26:08 GMT
The stadium plans above included student accommodation, of course any redevelopment now would not require the accommodation leaving some space for parking. Another answer to the parking problem would be for the club to lease one of the many vacant areas of land along Muller Rd for match day parking such as the old bus station. Something that I may raise with the Chairman. I think a contribution to park and ride or some other local parking solution would definately have to form part of the s61 agreement if we were to get planning for a refeveloped mem. I'm all for staying at the Mem. I think its location adds to the matchday experience although im sure some disagree. I also think it would be a shame to loose its heritage. I wonder if the land for the new training facility might give more options for developing the Mem. For example reuse of excavated material from the Mem to level and landscape the training ground. Avoids disposal costs and would alow for the pitch to be lowered reducing impact on local property and alowing an increased capacity?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 23:34:32 GMT
I think "re-developed" Mem will be a much smaller scale thing than many on here think. More likely to be a new south stand. Then a new blackthorn end stand - Hamer can find plans for this in a cupboard somewhere at the Mem - just need the dust blown off. All followed a long way in the future by changes to the sides ...... Really don't see a major rebuild or a big increase in capacity unless we move. P.S anyone still got pics of the new North Stand Plans seems we have come full circle so would be good to see those again !!! What year was that about 2004/5 ? Interesting to look at the 2007 redevelopment pictures. Stadium looks OK to me, with parking room for three Smart cars. [ By the time it's finished there will be flying driverless cars so no need for parking area!
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Post by socrates on Aug 4, 2017 0:00:39 GMT
To be honest I don't see anything Hamer says as relevant to what's going on at our club and never have. The reason being is I put up with years of bullshit from Higgs and as far I was concerned unless Hamer swept me off my feet he'd just be another bullshitter but DC I listen to every word and it feels me with confidence and the results on the pitch back that up. Wael is a strange one for me , listening to the bloke talk he's educated he understands football he was desperate to buy a football club and with his background and understanding of the English game and the passion of the fans seemed like a great fit for our club and still did up until these last 24 hours. I'm glad he hasn't gone with a deal that hasn't met our best interests but I'd like to hear it from him not Hamer who talks like a politician and can't answer a question to save his Dam life, we've had enough of that these last few years with Numptys like Higgs and Watola. What we need is some clarity with personality and humility and I think Wael can give us that I really do but he needs to come to England and do it ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 0:26:50 GMT
A list of reasons why it's a sh** idea. Is the Mem a suitable site? Parking is a nightmare already, traffic is a nightmare already, the transport is crap already. The biggest a stadium at the Mem could be is around 18k and will cost a fair bit based on the design and build requirements. Not a problem, ok let's keep going, onto planning and designWe've got to design it, we've got to get planning for it. Bristol City council don't like us. It'll take forever. Not a problem, let's get it built So err, we've got to move the pitch, that means sacrificing existing significant capacity by building whilst we're still at the ground. Any way you do it we'll lose a ton of capacity. It's just a mess to redevelop. Any benefits are far outweighed by any cons. Time to find an exciting new site. Emersons green please! No thanks,i live in shirehampton so avonmouth for me.
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Post by socrates on Aug 4, 2017 0:46:20 GMT
A list of reasons why it's a sh** idea. Is the Mem a suitable site? Parking is a nightmare already, traffic is a nightmare already, the transport is crap already. The biggest a stadium at the Mem could be is around 18k and will cost a fair bit based on the design and build requirements. Not a problem, ok let's keep going, onto planning and designWe've got to design it, we've got to get planning for it. Bristol City council don't like us. It'll take forever. Not a problem, let's get it built So err, we've got to move the pitch, that means sacrificing existing significant capacity by building whilst we're still at the ground. Any way you do it we'll lose a ton of capacity. It's just a mess to redevelop. Any benefits are far outweighed by any cons. Time to find an exciting new site. Emersons green please! No thanks,i live in shirehampton so avonmouth for me. Avonmouth is a dump but if we can build a stadium there with good facilities and some decent restaurants pubs and hotels around that stadium it could work out well for the club. I can't stand avonmouth though it's a the arse end of Bristol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 1:15:21 GMT
No thanks,i live in shirehampton so avonmouth for me. Avonmouth is a dump but if we can build a stadium there with good facilities and some decent restaurants pubs and hotels around that stadium it could work out well for the club. I can't stand avonmouth though it's a the arse end of Bristol. It is what it is,a huge industrial estate on the edge of town,not sure its a good place to be honest just local to me.
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Post by socrates on Aug 4, 2017 1:21:39 GMT
Avonmouth is a dump but if we can build a stadium there with good facilities and some decent restaurants pubs and hotels around that stadium it could work out well for the club. I can't stand avonmouth though it's a the arse end of Bristol. It is what it is,a huge industrial estate on the edge of town,not sure its a good place to be honest just local to me. We'd have to make it attractive other than just build a stadium there because otherwise everything surrounding it would look sh** and even with added stuff like a bowling arena pubs restaurants etc we'd probably end up with a Kassam ( Oxford) sort of thing and I've got to be honest I Dam hate that soulless place , even though we create a good atmosphere there and usually win too . I'd rather a re developed Mem that holds 18,000 than a 30,000 capacity bowl in avonmouth.
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Post by gaffers on Aug 4, 2017 5:09:34 GMT
For me there's still positives...the players and us have made the mem a fort and a hard place for any team to come here! I've always love the feel of the place and I know it's not our future but it can be made a lot bigger, there's talks of making it 16,000 if so fantastic as I love the location and 16,000 can work for us...burton have a capacity of 6000ish and manage to get by so I think it's time we take stock and focus on the new season as we've all been looking forward to it... So come on you purple and blacks ha....
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