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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:01:46 GMT
What's a contradiction? For some reason we seem happy to run the club making such losses, if we are then surely we can expect a decent top 6/8 squad to be put together, not one w/o a decent LW and two average, at best, CF's. What I can't get my head around is why we have two 1st team goalies and a massive Academy set up but a mid table 1st team squad, plus a bit of scrub land at Almondsbury. Wtf? Our average cfs might score loads this season. What if one of them outscores a bigger name from another side? How do your complaints stack up in that instance? What if our mid table first team squad finish 5th or 23rd? Then what? then either way 79 the forum will go into meltdown as it always does. No middle ground here but then I guess that's the attraction for a lot of us.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 18, 2017 20:45:27 GMT
What's a contradiction? For some reason we seem happy to run the club making such losses, if we are then surely we can expect a decent top 6/8 squad to be put together, not one w/o a decent LW and two average, at best, CF's. What I can't get my head around is why we have two 1st team goalies and a massive Academy set up but a mid table 1st team squad, plus a bit of scrub land at Almondsbury. Wtf? Our average cfs might score loads this season. What if one of them outscores a bigger name from another side? How do your complaints stack up in that instance? What if our mid table first team squad finish 5th or 23rd? Then what? They might but on past performance they won't, given Ellis miss on Saturday you do wonder if he'll even get to double figures this season. If we finish 5th I'll be over the moon, if finish 23rd all my fears will have been confirmed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 6:49:35 GMT
79 he's all about ifs and buts and there not real
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 19, 2017 7:52:56 GMT
I just feel that Darrell has put together a squad that will struggle to play any formation. We got a goalkeeper who kicks long ALL of the time without a leader of the attack who can hold the ball up effectively. We got only Leadbitter who is an effective wing back with pace and he looks well short on fitness. With no real wingers we lack width and the ability to push up quick. Ollie Clark looks like he is struggling to get over his injury and Sinclair does not look good enough to do the defensive midfielder role. We have neither pace or power. We again have a captain whose only gesture of leadership is the shrug of the shoulder or the shake of the head and he is back to his mistake ridden form of early last season. We have a Manager who seems pretty content with what he has created but in the games so far in this League has been out thought. Finally we have quite a strong lead because there are too many teams who have done much better transfer business than us- Bury, Charlton, Northampton, Oxford are four without really thinking much. The consolation is that our Manager is an expert at getting us to play ABOVE our ability so that is again my hope.
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Post by Marshy on Aug 19, 2017 8:17:47 GMT
I just feel that Darrell has put together a squad that will struggle to play any formation. We got a goalkeeper who kicks long ALL of the time without a leader of the attack who can hold the ball up effectively. We got only Leadbitter who is an effective wing back with pace and he looks well short on fitness. With no real wingers we lack width and the ability to push up quick. Ollie Clark looks like he is struggling to get over his injury and Sinclair does not look good enough to do the defensive midfielder role. We have neither pace or power. We again have a captain whose only gesture of leadership is the shrug of the shoulder or the shake of the head and he is back to his mistake ridden form of early last season. We have a Manager who seems pretty content with what he has created but in the games so far in this League has been out thought. Finally we have quite a strong lead because there are too many teams who have done much better transfer business than us- Bury, Charlton, Northampton, Oxford are four without really thinking much. The consolation is that our Manager is an expert at getting us to play ABOVE our ability so that is again my hope. We had all just as well get the razor blades and the rope out now then!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 8:26:01 GMT
My biggest worry is the majority of players here have played in the same team for a while now yet there doesn't seen to be much organisation in the first 2 games from what ive seen/heard.
People point at Blackburn with 0 points but they have a lot of new players settling in.
Plenty of games left of course but another poor game today will put more pressure on them.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 19, 2017 8:39:09 GMT
I just feel that Darrell has put together a squad that will struggle to play any formation. We got a goalkeeper who kicks long ALL of the time without a leader of the attack who can hold the ball up effectively. We got only Leadbitter who is an effective wing back with pace and he looks well short on fitness. With no real wingers we lack width and the ability to push up quick. Ollie Clark looks like he is struggling to get over his injury and Sinclair does not look good enough to do the defensive midfielder role. We have neither pace or power. We again have a captain whose only gesture of leadership is the shrug of the shoulder or the shake of the head and he is back to his mistake ridden form of early last season. We have a Manager who seems pretty content with what he has created but in the games so far in this League has been out thought. Finally we have quite a strong lead because there are too many teams who have done much better transfer business than us- Bury, Charlton, Northampton, Oxford are four without really thinking much. The consolation is that our Manager is an expert at getting us to play ABOVE our ability so that is again my hope. You forgot to add we have fans that throw in the towel after 2 games.
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Post by yategas78 on Aug 19, 2017 8:54:29 GMT
I'm already getting prepared for a trip to Dover in a couple of seasons 😜
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Post by abbeygas on Aug 19, 2017 9:11:48 GMT
I just feel that Darrell has put together a squad that will struggle to play any formation. We got a goalkeeper who kicks long ALL of the time without a leader of the attack who can hold the ball up effectively. We got only Leadbitter who is an effective wing back with pace and he looks well short on fitness. With no real wingers we lack width and the ability to push up quick. Ollie Clark looks like he is struggling to get over his injury and Sinclair does not look good enough to do the defensive midfielder role. We have neither pace or power. We again have a captain whose only gesture of leadership is the shrug of the shoulder or the shake of the head and he is back to his mistake ridden form of early last season. We have a Manager who seems pretty content with what he has created but in the games so far in this League has been out thought. Finally we have quite a strong lead because there are too many teams who have done much better transfer business than us- Bury, Charlton, Northampton, Oxford are four without really thinking much. The consolation is that our Manager is an expert at getting us to play ABOVE our ability so that is again my hope. After reading this is I am glad yout decided to do shorter match reports this season. Good job you are shagging that Portuguese pole dancer too or you would be completely suicidal!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 9:48:58 GMT
All of this misery off the back of 2 losses! I don't know what worse tbh. The suicidal tendencies during the lows or the ridiculous overhype after a few wins?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 9:53:27 GMT
If we are to say in this case that loan players don't count we should look at this seasons first eam squad and compare it to last seasons. One that finished 10th but really with a bit less gung ho could have finished 7th in my opinion.
Do not compare based on a players history or glory years but purely on the seasons form.
Keepers. last season. mildenhall , Pudey
Keepers this season. Smith ,Slocombe.
defenders last season. Brown , Leadbitter , Lockyer , Burn , Partington , J Clarke , Hartley , McCrystal.
defenders this season. Brown , Leadbitter , Lockyer , Burn ,Partington ,J Clarke , Broadbent .
Central midfield last season Lines ,O Clarke ,Sinclair , Mansell.
Central midfield this season. Lines ,O Clarke ,Sinclair , Sercombe.
Wide midfield players last season. Bodin , Moore , Broom (?), Montano.
Wide midfield players this season. Bodin , Moore , Broom
Forwards last season. Gaffney , Harrison , Easter , Snake
Forwards this season. Gaffney , Harrison , Nichols
So not much difference in the squad is there. The questions being then are.... Mansell or Sercombe ? Easter or Nicholls ? McCrystal/Hartley or Broadbent ? Mildenhall/Pudey or Smith/Slocombe ?
To me that generally looks like an improvement.
The loans....
Sweeney James Roos Lumley Roberts Boateng Colkett Clarke-Salter
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Sweeney Telford. Bola
Seems the loan count this season is lower...so far. The players not replaced are Montano and the Snake so far.
With some not too bad loans the squad is as good as last season so a 10th spot is more than achievable. Decent replacements for Montano and the snake will see a playoff push.
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Post by knowall on Aug 19, 2017 10:03:50 GMT
I'm already getting prepared for a trip to Dover in a couple of seasons 😜 why not go now? - and let the rest of us enjoy a successful season in league 1
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Post by pirate on Aug 19, 2017 10:06:54 GMT
anghymhwysedd, You also have to take into consideration what other clubs have done too. Compared to us, clubs like Bury, Northampton, Southend, Charlton, Peterborough and others have strengthened considerably. I personally think as things stand we will do well to match last seasons finish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 10:15:52 GMT
I just feel that Darrell has put together a squad that will struggle to play any formation. We got a goalkeeper who kicks long ALL of the time without a leader of the attack who can hold the ball up effectively. We got only Leadbitter who is an effective wing back with pace and he looks well short on fitness. With no real wingers we lack width and the ability to push up quick. Ollie Clark looks like he is struggling to get over his injury and Sinclair does not look good enough to do the defensive midfielder role. We have neither pace or power. We again have a captain whose only gesture of leadership is the shrug of the shoulder or the shake of the head and he is back to his mistake ridden form of early last season. We have a Manager who seems pretty content with what he has created but in the games so far in this League has been out thought. Finally we have quite a strong lead because there are too many teams who have done much better transfer business than us- Bury, Charlton, Northampton, Oxford are four without really thinking much. The consolation is that our Manager is an expert at getting us to play ABOVE our ability so that is again my hope. That sums it up really but if we continue to rely on performing above ability then sooner or later that approach comes unstuck as players loose the confidence on which they rely. The point about the lack of players to play 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 was well made. Without the 3 signing we all know are needed then it's going to be tough. Still a win today will give us a boost for a few weeks and a defeat may get DC on the phone making some effort to do what he knows he needs to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 10:18:14 GMT
anghymhwysedd, You also have to take into consideration what other clubs have done too. Compared to us, clubs like Bury, Northampton, Southend, Charlton, Peterborough and others have strengthened considerably. I personally think as things stand we will do well to match last seasons finish. To match last season's finishing position would be quite an achievement with the lack of width, pace and strength at DC disposal. But as DC points out he decides who comes through the door.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 12:28:02 GMT
anghymhwysedd, You also have to take into consideration what other clubs have done too. Compared to us, clubs like Bury, Northampton, Southend, Charlton, Peterborough and others have strengthened considerably. I personally think as things stand we will do well to match last seasons finish. It will only be considered strengthened if they do better than last season (the clubs listed) currently Peterborough aside none of them are doing better...and Rovers contributed significantly to Posh being in a better position than last season. So far the signings argument has not really stood up to scrutiny. Stable squads with slight tweaks generally do better.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 19, 2017 13:08:08 GMT
anghymhwysedd, You also have to take into consideration what other clubs have done too. Compared to us, clubs like Bury, Northampton, Southend, Charlton, Peterborough and others have strengthened considerably. I personally think as things stand we will do well to match last seasons finish. It will only be considered strengthened if they do better than last season (the clubs listed) currently Peterborough aside none of them are doing better...and Rovers contributed significantly to Posh being in a better position than last season. So far the signings argument has not really stood up to scrutiny. Stable squads with slight tweaks generally do better.
IMO with no goal scorer or creative wingers, who can beat a full back and deliver a centre, we are going to struggle, no investment equals a long season bouncing along the bottom of the table , what happened to DCs 11 signings, better players than we already have ?
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Post by pirate on Aug 19, 2017 13:10:15 GMT
anghymhwysedd, You also have to take into consideration what other clubs have done too. Compared to us, clubs like Bury, Northampton, Southend, Charlton, Peterborough and others have strengthened considerably. I personally think as things stand we will do well to match last seasons finish. It will only be considered strengthened if they do better than last season (the clubs listed) currently Peterborough aside none of them are doing better...and Rovers contributed significantly to Posh being in a better position than last season. So far the signings argument has not really stood up to scrutiny. Stable squads with slight tweaks generally do better.
Anyone who knows anything about the game says they have quite clearly strengthened their squads. Even Stevie Wonder can see that... Bury - Beckford, Ajose, O'Shea, Humphrey, Bunn, Bruce, etc Northampton - Grimes, Crooks, Kasim, Pierre, Taylor etc Southend - Kightly, Turner, Kiernan, Hendrie etc Charlton - Fosu, Reeves, Dasilva, Marshall etc Peterborough - Marriott, Taylor, Doughty, Miller etc
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Post by socrates on Aug 19, 2017 13:15:55 GMT
It will only be considered strengthened if they do better than last season (the clubs listed) currently Peterborough aside none of them are doing better...and Rovers contributed significantly to Posh being in a better position than last season. So far the signings argument has not really stood up to scrutiny. Stable squads with slight tweaks generally do better.
Anyone who knows anything about the game says they have quite clearly strengthened their squads. Even Stevie Wonder can see that... Bury - Beckford, Ajose, O'Shea, Humphrey, Bunn, Bruce, etc Northampton - Grimes, Crooks, Kasim, Pierre, Taylor etc Southend - Kightly, Turner, Kiernan, Hendrie etc Charlton - Fosu, Reeves, Dasilva, Marshall etc Peterborough - Marriott, Taylor, Doughty, Miller etc On paper yes but it doesn't always work out like that. I remember plenty on here this time last year saying that we haven't strengthened and they were underwhelmed by our transfer business only to then go on to see us finish higher in the league than for years
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 13:28:55 GMT
It will only be considered strengthened if they do better than last season (the clubs listed) currently Peterborough aside none of them are doing better...and Rovers contributed significantly to Posh being in a better position than last season. So far the signings argument has not really stood up to scrutiny. Stable squads with slight tweaks generally do better.
Anyone who knows anything about the game says they have quite clearly strengthened their squads. Even Stevie Wonder can see that... Bury - Beckford, Ajose, O'Shea, Humphrey, Bunn, Bruce, etc Northampton - Grimes, Crooks, Kasim, Pierre, Taylor etc Southend - Kightly, Turner, Kiernan, Hendrie etc Charlton - Fosu, Reeves, Dasilva, Marshall etc Peterborough - Marriott, Taylor, Doughty, Miller etc Thats fair enough, however the proof will be in the pudding. How are the temperments of these players, their desires, their wages? Lets see how they all get on before assuming we will fail to match their ambitions. Should we finish higher in the table tahn any of those sides, what does it say about their strengthening compared to ours?
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