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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 22, 2017 15:32:24 GMT
Wrong. We want to build the facilities to house all the players and staff including the academy and this will quite obviously entail more than a small clubhouse. How do you view that online? The submission i viewed online was very underwhelming Yeah, that was the original rugby clubhouse and changing rooms, which have existing permission (I believe). But we obviously want to do something a bit better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 15:33:58 GMT
What have we actually applied for permission to build? Memory tells me it was a very small scale ' club house'. Am i being unfair? not sure what the new application is going to entail, but I am sure more than a small club house and changing rooms are required for a Cat 2 academy.
The original PP granted was an amendment to what was previously submitted and passed to remove a couple of clauses that were not beneficial to BRFC to enable the purchase to go through, as there is no point purchasing land that we wouldn't have been able to use satisfactorily
You are correct Sir in everything you say and the council did indeed agree to remove a couple of clauses from the original application, hence us going ahead with the purchase.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 15:38:03 GMT
See nothing wrong with today's statement I for one would not commence work on a project without planning permission , plenty of people have tried that in the past and not only ended up with egg on their face but have had to tear down what they have already constructed without the necessary permissions. We have obviously passed on what we want to do over and above the previous planning permission for the site and are waiting on the councils guidance as regards whether any applications will be successful. Commonsense I would say and nothing fishy as far as I am concerned. Would they have bought the land in the first place if they hadn't been given the nod by SGC - I very much doubt it. I would of thought now would have been an ideal time to start preparatory work - demolishing existing buildings, levelling the site whilst the land is 'dry. But that means spending money - and to me they are not committing to any real spend at the moment. IMO there is a bigger picture going on. Having land with planning permission for a Training Facility is a big plus for them without spending huge amounts to develop it. The local community thing is a smokescreen IMO - If it is to be built they will have to get used to it anyway. Again IMO they are buying time - submission of the planning application and approval is going to take months and by then the picture will be a lot clearer.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 22, 2017 15:47:50 GMT
See nothing wrong with today's statement I for one would not commence work on a project without planning permission , plenty of people have tried that in the past and not only ended up with egg on their face but have had to tear down what they have already constructed without the necessary permissions. We have obviously passed on what we want to do over and above the previous planning permission for the site and are waiting on the councils guidance as regards whether any applications will be successful. Commonsense I would say and nothing fishy as far as I am concerned. Would they have bought the land in the first place if they hadn't been given the nod by SGC - I very much doubt it. I would of thought now would have been an ideal time to start preparatory work - demolishing existing buildings, levelling the site whilst the land is 'dry. But that means spending money - and to me they are not committing to any real spend at the moment. IMO there is a bigger picture going on. Having land with planning permission for a Training Facility is a big plus for them without spending huge amounts to develop it. The local community thing is a smokescreen IMO - If it is to be built they will have to get used to it anyway. Again IMO they are buying time - submission of the planning application and approval is going to take months and by then the picture will be a lot clearer. What prep work do they need to do to a load of grass when they don't know what they are building quite yet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 15:48:09 GMT
See nothing wrong with today's statement I for one would not commence work on a project without planning permission , plenty of people have tried that in the past and not only ended up with egg on their face but have had to tear down what they have already constructed without the necessary permissions. We have obviously passed on what we want to do over and above the previous planning permission for the site and are waiting on the councils guidance as regards whether any applications will be successful. Commonsense I would say and nothing fishy as far as I am concerned. Would they have bought the land in the first place if they hadn't been given the nod by SGC - I very much doubt it. I would of thought now would have been an ideal time to start preparatory work - demolishing existing buildings, levelling the site whilst the land is 'dry. But that means spending money - and to me they are not committing to any real spend at the moment. IMO there is a bigger picture going on. Having land with planning permission for a Training Facility is a big plus for them without spending huge amounts to develop it. The local community thing is a smokescreen IMO - If it is to be built they will have to get used to it anyway. Again IMO they are buying time - submission of the planning application and approval is going to take months and by then the picture will be a lot clearer. Why is it a "big plus for them"? Surely you realise that as a resident in the area you have the right to comment on any planning application that is sub mitted and like it or not as the owner of the land you have to submit a new one if your plans differ from the original. I would suggest getting plant to site and clearing it and then waiting for the planning application to go through is far more expensive than getting the permission first and then getting plant on site for the clearance and build straight after.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 22, 2017 15:52:29 GMT
See nothing wrong with today's statement I for one would not commence work on a project without planning permission , plenty of people have tried that in the past and not only ended up with egg on their face but have had to tear down what they have already constructed without the necessary permissions. We have obviously passed on what we want to do over and above the previous planning permission for the site and are waiting on the councils guidance as regards whether any applications will be successful. Commonsense I would say and nothing fishy as far as I am concerned. Would they have bought the land in the first place if they hadn't been given the nod by SGC - I very much doubt it. I would of thought now would have been an ideal time to start preparatory work - demolishing existing buildings, levelling the site whilst the land is 'dry. But that means spending money - and to me they are not committing to any real spend at the moment. IMO there is a bigger picture going on. Having land with planning permission for a Training Facility is a big plus for them without spending huge amounts to develop it. The local community thing is a smokescreen IMO - If it is to be built they will have to get used to it anyway. Again IMO they are buying time - submission of the planning application and approval is going to take months and by then the picture will be a lot clearer. Assuming building a club house on land were pp for such development has already been given is not seen by SGC as a "major development" it looks like pre-application enquires should only take a maximum of 8 weeks. www.southglos.gov.uk/environment-and-planning/planning/development-control/pre-application-planning-advice/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 16:00:01 GMT
Would they have bought the land in the first place if they hadn't been given the nod by SGC - I very much doubt it. I would of thought now would have been an ideal time to start preparatory work - demolishing existing buildings, levelling the site whilst the land is 'dry. But that means spending money - and to me they are not committing to any real spend at the moment. IMO there is a bigger picture going on. Having land with planning permission for a Training Facility is a big plus for them without spending huge amounts to develop it. The local community thing is a smokescreen IMO - If it is to be built they will have to get used to it anyway. Again IMO they are buying time - submission of the planning application and approval is going to take months and by then the picture will be a lot clearer. Assuming building a club house on land were pp for such development has already been given is not seen by SGC as a "major development" it looks like pre-application enquires should only take a maximum of 8 weeks. www.southglos.gov.uk/environment-and-planning/planning/development-control/pre-application-planning-advice/Prior to a full Planning Application and then approval?
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Post by womble on Aug 22, 2017 16:17:09 GMT
Would they have bought the land in the first place if they hadn't been given the nod by SGC - I very much doubt it. I would of thought now would have been an ideal time to start preparatory work - demolishing existing buildings, levelling the site whilst the land is 'dry. But that means spending money - and to me they are not committing to any real spend at the moment. IMO there is a bigger picture going on. Having land with planning permission for a Training Facility is a big plus for them without spending huge amounts to develop it. The local community thing is a smokescreen IMO - If it is to be built they will have to get used to it anyway. Again IMO they are buying time - submission of the planning application and approval is going to take months and by then the picture will be a lot clearer. Assuming building a club house on land were pp for such development has already been given is not seen by SGC as a "major development" it looks like pre-application enquires should only take a maximum of 8 weeks. www.southglos.gov.uk/environment-and-planning/planning/development-control/pre-application-planning-advice/In theory that may well be the case - things often take longer. As an example there is a current planning application in Bristol to redevelop part of Broadmead. After a consultation period then the submission of the application, it has taken another six months to agree on the size and access to the proposed car park. That's still before it has reached a planning committee. I'm not suggesting ours will take anything like that long, as it is a far smaller scheme - but it is sitting in the green belt and South Glos will want i's dotted and t's crossed.
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 22, 2017 16:24:30 GMT
I normally hate the grammar police... But what the hell does that mean?! Are you calling LJG simple? Are you using the word to further underline your point? omg wtf no I just have got no question that's all bloody hell its not rocket science just interested in the answer Christ sake f**k me !! What's crawled up your arse you lairy bastard ! 😘
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Aug 22, 2017 16:30:28 GMT
omg wtf no I just have got no question that's all bloody hell its not rocket science just interested in the answer Christ sake f**k me !! What's crawled up your arse you lairy bastard ! 😘 to be honest just had enough of people making mountains out of molehills it's like a nursery school on here lately
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Post by bluestone on Aug 22, 2017 16:43:58 GMT
Would they have bought the land in the first place if they hadn't been given the nod by SGC - I very much doubt it. I would of thought now would have been an ideal time to start preparatory work - demolishing existing buildings, levelling the site whilst the land is 'dry. But that means spending money - and to me they are not committing to any real spend at the moment. IMO there is a bigger picture going on. Having land with planning permission for a Training Facility is a big plus for them without spending huge amounts to develop it. The local community thing is a smokescreen IMO - If it is to be built they will have to get used to it anyway. Again IMO they are buying time - submission of the planning application and approval is going to take months and by then the picture will be a lot clearer. Why is it a "big plus for them"? Surely you realise that as a resident in the area you have the right to comment on any planning application that is sub mitted and like it or not as the owner of the land you have to submit a new one if your plans differ from the original. I would suggest getting plant to site and clearing it and then waiting for the planning application to go through is far more expensive than getting the permission first and then getting plant on site for the clearance and build straight after. Absolutely correct, not only that but also by jumping the gun and cracking on with work before the planning consent for what we really want to build is approved you run the risk of inflaming the concerns of any local residents who will then be out with their pitchforks giving the council a headache and making matters even worse. Much better to tread carefully at this stage and follow the proper procedures, keeping the council happy and hopefully the residents too. IMO the local community is not being used a smoke screen as has been suggested by a previous poster, this is BRFC behaving in a respectful manner which comes as no surprise to me as this is typical of Wael from what we have seen to date.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Aug 22, 2017 16:52:38 GMT
Also if we deal with colony in corrected manner i.e. Corrected channels councils etc . Would only help when doing up the mem surely?
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Post by badengas on Aug 22, 2017 16:53:55 GMT
Is there room for a 21,000 seater stadium and parking on the Colony site ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 22, 2017 16:56:53 GMT
Why is it a "big plus for them"? Surely you realise that as a resident in the area you have the right to comment on any planning application that is sub mitted and like it or not as the owner of the land you have to submit a new one if your plans differ from the original. I would suggest getting plant to site and clearing it and then waiting for the planning application to go through is far more expensive than getting the permission first and then getting plant on site for the clearance and build straight after. Absolutely correct, not only that but also by jumping the gun and cracking on with work before the planning consent for what we really want to build is approved you run the risk of inflaming the concerns of any local residents who will then be out with their pitchforks giving the council a headache and making matters even worse. Much better to tread carefully at this stage and follow the proper procedures, keeping the council happy and hopefully the residents too. IMO the local community is not being used a smoke screen as has been suggested by a previous poster, this is BRFC behaving in a respectful manner which comes as no surprise to me as this is typical of Wael from what we have seen to date. Next thing some idiot on here will be suggesting why don't we put up a 6" high prison type fence around half of the ground!!
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Post by oldgas on Aug 22, 2017 16:57:31 GMT
Having had a bit of a read through the 3 pages to date it's obvious there are some people who simply won't believe that the Al Q's have any good intentions towards the club.
Of course it should be obvious to all the blue-tinted happy clappers that they have taken on a number of highly qualified specialist staff, created a full development squad and purchased the best part of 30 acres in which to house them all, only to completely pull the plug when S Glos hopefully agree the pre-planning in the very near future.
And don't let the building of a new pasty hut fool anyone. Quite clearly, once its fully built they're going to o torch it. See the smoke screen that will create!
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Post by beaver132 on Aug 22, 2017 17:01:33 GMT
So we're waiting on South Glos? A clever smokescreen while the board try to flog the club to rich Texans, or we're just waiting for a local council to get back to us? Something doesn't ring true. We send off an application to a local council and we have to wait to get a reply. Does that even make sense? Seriously, has anyone even waited for something before. Can't see it myself. If anything, whenever I write to someone, they reply before I send it. Something definitely fishy, here. Absolutely. Your request for assistance in 2019 has been accepted and I expect payment, as you will later agree, of £15,000 by return of post. Which I have already received. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 17:07:45 GMT
They said from day one that they would do things properly with the colony and would respect the local people. I would imagine they would want the Colony in operation before they start knocking things down at the Mem. To give the club a place to operate from without being strung all over the place. Im expecting the Colony to be up and running by 2020 at the latest.
What might be an idea though.....
Work with Bath City FC and BANES. Build a new build stadium on the edge of Bath...about 7000 capacity. The stadium will be for them but short term would be a temp home for Rovers whilst the New Mem is built. Might push the timescale along a bit but might make a smoother transistion. Bath City can then sell Twerton park and use the funds towards the stadium.Better to wait a year or so and travel to Bath then have to go all the way to Swindon or Cheltenham.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Aug 22, 2017 17:18:41 GMT
Like the bath city idea!
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Post by bluestone on Aug 22, 2017 17:30:15 GMT
They said from day one that they would do things properly with the colony and would respect the local people. I would imagine they would want the Colony in operation before they start knocking things down at the Mem. To give the club a place to operate from without being strung all over the place. Im expecting the Colony to be up and running by 2020 at the latest. What might be an idea though..... Work with Bath City FC and BANES. Build a new build stadium on the edge of Bath...about 7000 capacity. The stadium will be for them but short term would be a temp home for Rovers whilst the New Mem is built. Might push the timescale along a bit but might make a smoother transistion. Bath City can then sell Twerton park and use the funds towards the stadium.Better to wait a year or so and travel to Bath then have to go all the way to Swindon or Cheltenham. I admire your blue sky thinking with the Bath City idea but tbh I think we may have enough on our plate already building one stadium and a state of the art training complex. Oh what the hell... In for a penny in for a pound, let's go for it, we might be able to do a deal, BOGOF!
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Post by allgasandgaiters on Aug 22, 2017 17:42:17 GMT
Pre-application discussions are often drawn out affairs but if they are carried out correctly there is a better chance of getting the decision made in our favour much sooner. That's what my planning friend said to me recently Do you have a friend in planning Henbury? Why on earth haven't you mentioned it before? Any chance you could get them to hurry South Glos along?
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