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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2017 7:56:48 GMT
The big fear with this competition is will the authorities try to put under-21 teams in the football league if the competition improves and is deemed a success? If the clubs voted for it to continue as a format for the cup will they in the future vote for the same under 21 teams in a revised league format? Its all about the premier league to the general public and the tv people except for the relatively small amount of people who follow lower league teams. Precisely. What can people not see that?
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 30, 2017 8:01:11 GMT
As much as I agree and detest the fact that Prem teams u-21 are in the competition, it does give us a chance to find out the quality of our own squad. So tonight's game did allow us to try Broadbent and Burns as a centre back pairing. It also gave the management a chance to see Rollin in a competitive match, for instance, albeit a short stint. Also, it must have given Ryan Broom a lift to score for the first team and give him encouragement for the future. I would opine that DC has taken that view as well because he seemed to send a team out to win tonight, rather than making a substitution after 2 minutes and putting two fingers up to the format. How many changes from Saturday then? There were debutants out there and a bench of youth. At best it gave the squad a run out but hardly taking it seriously. Winning 5-1 I think that's taking it seriously... And as for fans complaining and not caring about the competition they are still going on the forums to talk and post about it.... Have a good day
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 30, 2017 8:01:45 GMT
Those who called us 'scabs' are not allowed to watch them
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 30, 2017 8:09:36 GMT
Oh that's my stance is it.Thanks for letting me know chief. How else do you think calling people scabs for doing something they want to do but you disagree with. They are as entitled to their opinions as you are and if they wish to watch a football match it is their perogating and nothing to do with you Padstow Attitudes in the UK have changed pal. It's the brave new Brexit world. Playing cards the other night we were having a lively debate when someone I thought was a mate shouted in an angry voice "You *ing remainers are all the same. You *ing lost, *ing suck it up and shut the * up." Those aren't Gasheads they are scabs... even if you and I might think differently. That is how debate is ended these days, better get used to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:48:37 GMT
How else do you think calling people scabs for doing something they want to do but you disagree with. They are as entitled to their opinions as you are and if they wish to watch a football match it is their perogating and nothing to do with you Padstow Attitudes in the UK have changed pal. It's the brave new Brexit world. Playing cards the other night we were having a lively debate when someone I thought was a mate shouted in an angry voice "You *ing remainers are all the same. You *ing lost, *ing suck it up and shut the * up." Those aren't Gasheads they are scabs... even if you and I might think differently. That is how debate is ended these days, better get used to it. Unfortunately you are right and the skills of debating are now replaced by abuse
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:53:49 GMT
... mass-debating abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:02:29 GMT
How many changes from Saturday then? There were debutants out there and a bench of youth. At best it gave the squad a run out but hardly taking it seriously. Winning 5-1 I think that's taking it seriously... And as for fans complaining and not caring about the competition they are still going on the forums to talk and post about it.... Have a good day Who put 10 pence in you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:14:13 GMT
Oh that's my stance is it.Thanks for letting me know chief. How else do you think calling people scabs for doing something they want to do but you disagree with. They are as entitled to their opinions as you are and if they wish to watch a football match it is their perogating and nothing to do with you If you had a bit of common courtesy and asked if it was 'my stance' instead of assuming that was the case,I would of told you it was merely a jokey comment I made about Oxford fans, (thought that was obvious but clearly not).I have never been to any game in this cup,in any of its forms and never will,but although I believe supporters of our club are not seeing the bigger picture by attending any of these games,that is absolutely their free choice,end of,and I have/would never dream of calling any Rovers fan a scab. So on this occasion you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick through your assumptions,which incidentally is quite ironic as you love to play the victim when you state your not allowed a different opinion on here when you post anything about your boy Ellis.UTG.
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 30, 2017 10:16:11 GMT
Winning 5-1 I think that's taking it seriously... And as for fans complaining and not caring about the competition they are still going on the forums to talk and post about it.... Have a good day Who put 10 pence in you? Sorry can you explain that comment....I have no idea what you are on about. If you are on about me commenting, I thought this was a forum for Gasheads to comment and still a free country....
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Post by oldgas on Aug 30, 2017 10:30:22 GMT
I don't quite understand why people think there's some sort of "Thin edge of a wedge" going on. The EFL has 72? Member clubs competing in 3 leagues. I fail to see how 20 or more could be displaced then replaced with a Premier League and top half or so Championship clubs Under 23 teams. That is surely never going to happen.
I very much doubt if an Under 23 team will ever advance beyond the group stages, or that their group stage home ties will ever draw a decent 4 figure attendance. The EFL has tried to enhance this particular competition, with a so far spectacular lack of success. There may have been a bumper final attendance last season; that's because 2 well-supported teams were involved. The following from Coventry was bound to be big, their fans are desperate for any sort of success following the car-crash way their club has been allowed to fail.
If, for example Rochdale and say FGR reached this seasons final, the attendance would struggle to reach 20k, because both teams have sh1t followings. It will have nothing to do with Under 23 teams participation, the same as that didn't influence last seasons final.
I have the feeling that the U 23 thing will wither and die, and the concept will be quietly forgotten.
All is not lost!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:36:33 GMT
Aside from the politics of the cup it was a great win last night with so many changes to the team. The competition for a starting place is pretty fierce right now with bola,burn,broadbent,broom and telford all taking there chance to show what they can do. If you factor in the building up of the development squad then we seem to be in a pretty good place on the playing side. Its not all about signing players for big fees/wages or even keeping players you cant possibly keep.
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Post by Marshy on Aug 30, 2017 10:37:41 GMT
I don't quite understand why people think there's some sort of "Thin edge of a wedge" going on. The EFL has 72? Member clubs competing in 3 leagues. I fail to see how 20 or more could be displaced then replaced with a Premier League and top half or so Championship clubs Under 23 teams. That is surely never going to happen. I very much doubt if an Under 23 team will ever advance beyond the group stages, or that their group stage home ties will ever draw a decent 4 figure attendance. The EFL has tried to enhance this particular competition, with a so far spectacular lack of success. There may have been a bumper final attendance last season; that's because 2 well-supported teams were involved. The following from Coventry was bound to be big, their fans are desperate for any sort of success following the car-crash way their club has been allowed to fail. If, for example Rochdale and say FGR reached this seasons final, the attendance would struggle to reach 20k, because both teams have sh1t followings. It will have nothing to do with Under 23 teams participation, the same as that didn't influence last seasons final. I have the feeling that the U 23 thing will wither and die, and the concept will be quietly forgotten. All is not lost! Why don't they just form an official under 23 league? Much simpler than trying to infiltrate us bar stewards!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 30, 2017 11:01:25 GMT
Highlights up:
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Post by grayraydon on Aug 30, 2017 11:09:41 GMT
Cheers. Great work from Telford for his first, another quality cross from Parts for the 2nd, definitely something we've been missing and another great strike from Sercs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 11:14:35 GMT
Good to see the Wycombe defenders joining in with the spirit of the boycott as well!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 30, 2017 11:17:07 GMT
Broom's goals were scaringly identical! That Telford has some pace on him, very impressed with him there! Sercombe's goal was class.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 12:11:15 GMT
How else do you think calling people scabs for doing something they want to do but you disagree with. They are as entitled to their opinions as you are and if they wish to watch a football match it is their perogating and nothing to do with you If you had a bit of common courtesy and asked if it was 'my stance' instead of assuming that was the case,I would of told you it was merely a jokey comment I made about Oxford fans, (thought that was obvious but clearly not).I have never been to any game in this cup,in any of its forms and never will,but although I believe supporters of our club are not seeing the bigger picture by attending any of these games,that is absolutely their free choice,end of,and I have/would never dream of calling any Rovers fan a scab. So on this occasion you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick through your assumptions,which incidentally is quite ironic as you love to play the victim when you state your not allowed a different opinion on here when you post anything about your boy Ellis.UTG. 2 points you never mentioned any club in your post leaving it open to interpretation that it applied to anyone who attends these cup games so maybe you should qualiFYI who you are directing your comments at and if it was a joke maybe a smiley would have helped Secondly I wondered when Ellis would be brought up again . By the way no comment on the sitter that gaffney missed early in the game that nearly went out of the ground. Sorry that's only applicable to 1 player
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 30, 2017 12:13:40 GMT
As rubbish as this competition has now become it has provided some positives for us. For a start they have relaxed the selection rules. I don't know what they are now but not as bad as last year where you basically couldn't play your kids in a cup competition designed for kids! It was like saying only the U23 players will go far and your kids wont, even though loads of theirs originally came from lower league sides! We saw that Telford looks pretty decent and could contribute this season. The chance to get Saturdays likely CB pairing game time together and also a chance for some of the younger players to come off the bench. I think the likes of O.Clarke and Sercombe played too much for my liking but I don't think we have many other options there. Same for goalkeeper and right back due to injuries. I hate having to be fair to the EFL, who are monumental knobcheeses, but they did sort this competition out a little this year. Still hate the u21's in there but at least they did tinker with sorting out the other bits.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 12:16:27 GMT
The big fear with this competition is will the authorities try to put under-21 teams in the football league if the competition improves and is deemed a success? If the clubs voted for it to continue as a format for the cup will they in the future vote for the same under 21 teams in a revised league format? Its all about the premier league to the general public and the tv people except for the relatively small amount of people who follow lower league teams. Precisely. What can people not see that? Hypothetical.no one can know for certain what is going to happen in the future after all a few years back there was a mooted 2nd premiership with invited clubs only and no promotion or relegation into or out of it.that died a death so who is to say this won't go the same way when the 3 year trial is over
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2017 12:45:57 GMT
Precisely. What can people not see that? Hypothetical.no one can know for certain what is going to happen in the future after all a few years back there was a mooted 2nd premiership with invited clubs only and no promotion or relegation into or out of it.that died a death so who is to say this won't go the same way when the 3 year trial is over Why did it die a death?
It is not hypothetical, the proposal to include B teams in the Football League was part of the FA's four-point plan, and a 5 tier league to include this was proposed by the Football League and supported by the Football League, the FA and the Premier League. It is the stated aim of the boards of those bodies. If you don't think that this is an attempted softening-up exercise to get fans and clubs to agree to this, then you are being naive.
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