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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 14:22:08 GMT
If you had a bit of common courtesy and asked if it was 'my stance' instead of assuming that was the case,I would of told you it was merely a jokey comment I made about Oxford fans, (thought that was obvious but clearly not).I have never been to any game in this cup,in any of its forms and never will,but although I believe supporters of our club are not seeing the bigger picture by attending any of these games,that is absolutely their free choice,end of,and I have/would never dream of calling any Rovers fan a scab. So on this occasion you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick through your assumptions,which incidentally is quite ironic as you love to play the victim when you state your not allowed a different opinion on here when you post anything about your boy Ellis.UTG. 2 points you never mentioned any club in your post leaving it open to interpretation that it applied to anyone who attends these cup games so maybe you should qualiFYI who you are directing your comments at and if it was a joke maybe a smiley would have helped Secondly I wondered when Ellis would be brought up again . By the way no comment on the sitter that gaffney missed early in the game that nearly went out of the ground. Sorry that's only applicable to 1 player Oxford are not a club then? It was simply an attempted water take aimed at them,nothing else.As far as I can remember I have never called out ANY Rovers player for missing a sitter so how does that sit with 'sorry that's only applicable to 1 player'?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:03:26 GMT
Hypothetical.no one can know for certain what is going to happen in the future after all a few years back there was a mooted 2nd premiership with invited clubs only and no promotion or relegation into or out of it.that died a death so who is to say this won't go the same way when the 3 year trial is over Why did it die a death?
It is not hypothetical, the proposal to include B teams in the Football League was part of the FA's four-point plan, and a 5 tier league to include this was proposed by the Football League and supported by the Football League, the FA and the Premier League. It is the stated aim of the boards of those bodies. If you don't think that this is an attempted softening-up exercise to get fans and clubs to agree to this, then you are being naive.
It was a topic for discussion put forward by the previous chairman of the f.a.to try to get more English players playing league football this has since been abandoned after opposition from supporters groups and lower league clubs
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:05:50 GMT
2 points you never mentioned any club in your post leaving it open to interpretation that it applied to anyone who attends these cup games so maybe you should qualiFYI who you are directing your comments at and if it was a joke maybe a smiley would have helped Secondly I wondered when Ellis would be brought up again . By the way no comment on the sitter that gaffney missed early in the game that nearly went out of the ground. Sorry that's only applicable to 1 player Oxford are not a club then? It was simply an attempted water take aimed at them,nothing else.As far as I can remember I have never called out ANY Rovers player for missing a sitter so how does that sit with 'sorry that's only applicable to 1 player'? You never mentioned any club just a generalisation and who was the one who named a player even though that topic was never mentioned
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 16:10:22 GMT
Winning 5-1 I think that's taking it seriously... And as for fans complaining and not caring about the competition they are still going on the forums to talk and post about it.... Have a good day Who put 10 pence in you? Reminds me of the "do you think my arse is a money box" joke regarding the sausage and butcher!
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2017 16:12:07 GMT
Why did it die a death?
It is not hypothetical, the proposal to include B teams in the Football League was part of the FA's four-point plan, and a 5 tier league to include this was proposed by the Football League and supported by the Football League, the FA and the Premier League. It is the stated aim of the boards of those bodies. If you don't think that this is an attempted softening-up exercise to get fans and clubs to agree to this, then you are being naive.
It was a topic for discussion put forward by the previous chairman of the f.a.to try to get more English players playing league football this has since been abandoned after opposition from supporters groups and lower league clubs Not just a topic for discussion, but a proposal. From the report: "What is Our Proposal? we believe that the introduction of B teams into the English footballing system will greatly enhance the development of our most telented youngsters...'.
It's no secret that the Premier League clubs are enthusiastic abount the idea, and they have the money. They may have gone quiet on the idea for now, in the face of opposition, but as long as that's what the money wants, it will be back, and a lot easier to propose if clubs and fans have got used to thier first teams playing B teams in this cup. Don't be naive.
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Post by baggins on Aug 30, 2017 16:17:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 16:46:09 GMT
It was a topic for discussion put forward by the previous chairman of the f.a.to try to get more English players playing league football this has since been abandoned after opposition from supporters groups and lower league clubs Not just a topic for discussion, but a proposal. From the report: "What is Our Proposal? we believe that the introduction of B teams into the English footballing system will greatly enhance the development of our most telented youngsters...'.
It's no secret that the Premier League clubs are enthusiastic abount the idea, and they have the money. They may have gone quiet on the idea for now, in the face of opposition, but as long as that's what the money wants, it will be back, and a lot easier to propose if clubs and fans have got used to thier first teams playing B teams in this cup. Don't be naive.
Its possible a backdoor way will be found. Clubs will adopt smaller clubs. For Example. Chelsea will adopt Kingstonians (whose ground they are buying as their youth ground from current owners Wimbledon). Kingstonians will be financed by Chelsea and the Kingstonian squad will have 15 Chelsea u23s on loan there for a season. They will rise through the non league ranks and possibly enter the football league if good enough.
This will be put forward as a way of bringing money into grassroots football. After a few years the likes of Rovers and league one/two teams will also have adopted lower level teams where their u23s will play. Mangotsfield united /Yate town for example with Rovers ?? This would also mean the players at the lower level team would get access to better training and medical care. The pitches would improve the fans facilities would improve. the stadiums would improve. 92 non league teams could possibly benefit if they could accept their unique identity loss/ watering down.
Its a possibility if the governing rules can be adapted.
I should add ,before I get crucified. I am not pro or against this idea ,just bringing up the possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:30:32 GMT
It was a topic for discussion put forward by the previous chairman of the f.a.to try to get more English players playing league football this has since been abandoned after opposition from supporters groups and lower league clubs Not just a topic for discussion, but a proposal. From the report: "What is Our Proposal? we believe that the introduction of B teams into the English footballing system will greatly enhance the development of our most telented youngsters...'.
It's no secret that the Premier League clubs are enthusiastic abount the idea, and they have the money. They may have gone quiet on the idea for now, in the face of opposition, but as long as that's what the money wants, it will be back, and a lot easier to propose if clubs and fans have got used to thier first teams playing B teams in this cup. Don't be naive.
Not naive at all just know that a few thousand around the country on minor club forii will make no difference whatsoever to what the powers that be decide and if they decide to allow b.sides into the football league there is absolutely nothing you can do about it that is the way of the world
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 19:00:06 GMT
Not just a topic for discussion, but a proposal. From the report: "What is Our Proposal? we believe that the introduction of B teams into the English footballing system will greatly enhance the development of our most telented youngsters...'.
It's no secret that the Premier League clubs are enthusiastic abount the idea, and they have the money. They may have gone quiet on the idea for now, in the face of opposition, but as long as that's what the money wants, it will be back, and a lot easier to propose if clubs and fans have got used to thier first teams playing B teams in this cup. Don't be naive.
Not naive at all just know that a few thousand around the country on minor club forii will make no difference whatsoever to what the powers that be decide and if they decide to allow b.sides into the football league there is absolutely nothing you can do about it that is the way of the world It's not the way of the world is it? We live in a democracy and the members vote on proposals here. If the competition continues to be insignificant in the eyes of the customers, the powers that be will be under pressure to try something else. The sponsors/organisers want to make money.
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 30, 2017 19:56:39 GMT
Sorry can you explain that comment....I have no idea what you are on about. If you are on about me commenting, I thought this was a forum for Gasheads to comment and still a free country.... 👜👜👜👜👜👜👜👜👜👜👜👜👜👜👜
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 21:04:30 GMT
Not naive at all just know that a few thousand around the country on minor club forii will make no difference whatsoever to what the powers that be decide and if they decide to allow b.sides into the football league there is absolutely nothing you can do about it that is the way of the world It's not the way of the world is it? We live in a democracy and the members vote on proposals here. If the competition continues to be insignificant in the eyes of the customers, the powers that be will be under pressure to try something else. The sponsors/organisers want to make money. With the money in the game now and liable to get more the need for fans to watch to keep clubs alive will decrease considerably so what the rulers of football in this country will have their way and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it Smaller clubs will be bankrolled to develop young players hence the loan system being more and more vital to lower leagues .you only have to look at Spain to see how it he happen ed there and it will happen here just Mark my words. You either accept it or give up watching the game
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 7:54:06 GMT
It's not the way of the world is it? We live in a democracy and the members vote on proposals here. If the competition continues to be insignificant in the eyes of the customers, the powers that be will be under pressure to try something else. The sponsors/organisers want to make money. With the money in the game now and liable to get more the need for fans to watch to keep clubs alive will decrease considerably so what the rulers of football in this country will have their way and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it Smaller clubs will be bankrolled to develop young players hence the loan system being more and more vital to lower leagues .you only have to look at Spain to see how it he happen ed there and it will happen here just Mark my words. You either accept it or give up watching the game I suppose it's happening already really. Some clubs in lg1 and below are full of loanees.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 31, 2017 7:55:10 GMT
Not just a topic for discussion, but a proposal. From the report: "What is Our Proposal? we believe that the introduction of B teams into the English footballing system will greatly enhance the development of our most telented youngsters...'.
It's no secret that the Premier League clubs are enthusiastic abount the idea, and they have the money. They may have gone quiet on the idea for now, in the face of opposition, but as long as that's what the money wants, it will be back, and a lot easier to propose if clubs and fans have got used to thier first teams playing B teams in this cup. Don't be naive.
Not naive at all just know that a few thousand around the country on minor club forii will make no difference whatsoever to what the powers that be decide and if they decide to allow b.sides into the football league there is absolutely nothing you can do about it that is the way of the world We can but try.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:00:50 GMT
Not naive at all just know that a few thousand around the country on minor club forii will make no difference whatsoever to what the powers that be decide and if they decide to allow b.sides into the football league there is absolutely nothing you can do about it that is the way of the world We can but try. Perhaps in that case you change your name to Don Quixote
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 31, 2017 9:40:04 GMT
Yes it's a sh*t cup, but there's been plenty of other sh*t cups. Who remembers the Simod Cup and Zenith Data System's? The Anglo - Italian? Even our crowning glory The Watney Cup was a terribly sh*t cup. The Leyland Daf, Auto Windscreens, Johnsons Paint Trophy etc, were always sh*t until the Semi Finals and there was a sniff of Wembley. It's been slightly devalued by U23 teams entering it, and its made it that little bit sh*tter, but it has always been sh*t anyway. So in a nutshell, These Micky Mouse Cups have always been sh*t. The Watney cup was great and made for some exciting games. The highest scoring team from the divisions against each other, certainly much better than this and it was very well attended. I certainly won't forget the semi final and final and the pitch invasion after and I was but a mere cub. There is no comparing the Watney cup to this. The Watney cup was an honest one with no agenda to get prem B teams into the EFL. The 82 would have loved to have won the Watney cup, for sure
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 31, 2017 9:48:27 GMT
The big fear with this competition is will the authorities try to put under-21 teams in the football league if the competition improves and is deemed a success? If the clubs voted for it to continue as a format for the cup will they in the future vote for the same under 21 teams in a revised league format? Its all about the premier league to the general public and the tv people except for the relatively small amount of people who follow lower league teams. Precisely. What can people not see that? People can see it but the lower league clubs and poorly attended clubs don't want to and are taking their 30 pieces of silver but not realising the damage that will come, in the longer term. They are, in effect, signing their own death warrants as I see it
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 31, 2017 9:52:03 GMT
How else do you think calling people scabs for doing something they want to do but you disagree with. They are as entitled to their opinions as you are and if they wish to watch a football match it is their perogating and nothing to do with you Padstow Attitudes in the UK have changed pal. It's the brave new Brexit world. Playing cards the other night we were having a lively debate when someone I thought was a mate shouted in an angry voice "You *ing remainers are all the same. You *ing lost, *ing suck it up and shut the * up." Those aren't Gasheads they are scabs... even if you and I might think differently. That is how debate is ended these days, better get used to it. That is so spot on and also very sad. I know I sometimes have romanticised the past but the Facebook generation is both angry and do not have any patience.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 31, 2017 10:14:54 GMT
Perhaps in that case you change your name to Don Quixote I just might
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 31, 2017 10:24:15 GMT
Yes it's a sh*t cup, but there's been plenty of other sh*t cups. Who remembers the Simod Cup and Zenith Data System's? The Anglo - Italian? Even our crowning glory The Watney Cup was a terribly sh*t cup. The Leyland Daf, Auto Windscreens, Johnsons Paint Trophy etc, were always sh*t until the Semi Finals and there was a sniff of Wembley. It's been slightly devalued by U23 teams entering it, and its made it that little bit sh*tter, but it has always been sh*t anyway. So in a nutshell, These Micky Mouse Cups have always been sh*t. The Watney cup was great and made for some exciting games. The highest scoring team from the divisions against each other, certainly much better than this and it was very well attended. I certainly won't forget the semi final and final and the pitch invasion after and I was but a mere cub. There is no comparing the Watney cup to this. The Watney cup was an honest one with no agenda to get prem B teams into the EFL. The 82 would have loved to have won the Watney cup, for sure They were pre-season games too. Added a bit of spice to the season build up. What we want is Watneys Red Barrel !!! Oh dear didn't meant to write the R word
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 11:00:24 GMT
Oxford are not a club then? It was simply an attempted water take aimed at them,nothing else.As far as I can remember I have never called out ANY Rovers player for missing a sitter so how does that sit with 'sorry that's only applicable to 1 player'? You never mentioned any club just a generalisation and who was the one who named a player even though that topic was never mentioned Oxford.Ive tried to explain the original post,but if you still choose to believe I'm lying that's fine.Have a good day fellow gashead.
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