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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 14, 2017 17:21:50 GMT
Need to play 532 but wont as it doesn't accomodate BB. Just stick him upfront as can he possibly be less effective than Nichols has been so far this season.
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Post by 84gas on Sept 14, 2017 19:05:04 GMT
Need to play 532 but wont as it doesn't accomodate BB. Just stick him upfront as can he possibly be less effective than Nichols has been so far this season. True. Just think we need to stick 5 at the back to try and sure us up and it would also be something wigan wouldn't necessarily expect.
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Post by southvillegas on Sept 14, 2017 20:31:06 GMT
Bola should be in the team instead of Lee Brown. Lee Brown usually always has a bad game but never gets dropped.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 14, 2017 20:38:01 GMT
I wonder how many times Boradbent has played in a 5 man defence even in his non league career? If we go with a 5 men defence Leads, Parts, Locks, Sweeney, Brown should be good enough, with Broadbent & Bola to come in on Tuesday. Not sure how much he has played in a 5, but on paper I think that side has a nice solid look about it, especially for a tough looking away fixture, but also with the ability to get a goal or two. Broadbent is surely used to carrying out complex instructions to the letter I think he'd be OK tactically, he's just a bit rough round the edges when it comes to knowing the dark arts of defending and what he can and cannot get away with. I don't think it'll take him long to learn and I do think he's a cracking prospect. I like pirate's team, but whoever plays alongside Harrison has got to put in a hell of a shift. I'm not sure who that is. Maybe stick with Nichols at this stage? Bodin and Telford on the bench.
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Post by ansell1 on Sept 14, 2017 20:51:43 GMT
I wonder how many times Boradbent has played in a 5 man defence even in his non league career? If we go with a 5 men defence Leads, Parts, Locks, Sweeney, Brown should be good enough, with Broadbent & Bola to come in on Tuesday. Not sure how much he has played in a 5, but on paper I think that side has a nice solid look about it, especially for a tough looking away fixture, but also with the ability to get a goal or two. I understand he has played that many a time even wing back on the left (as seen on his video clips)
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Post by socrates on Sept 14, 2017 21:09:22 GMT
Playing Nichols who's not really done anything this season and dropping Bodin who is our biggest threat would be as bad a team selection as playing Bodin on the left Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 21:50:14 GMT
If you leave opposition players unmarked in the box time and time again like we have, especially away from home, then it doesn't matter what formation is used.
Our players arent doing the basic things right at the moment
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2017 22:18:59 GMT
Playing Nichols who's not really done anything this season and dropping Bodin who is our biggest threat would be as bad a team selection as playing Bodin on the left Tuesday. If the team was more balanced and more likely to get a result then it would be worth dropping Bodin, even though I consider him our best player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 22:30:12 GMT
Playing Nichols who's not really done anything this season and dropping Bodin who is our biggest threat would be as bad a team selection as playing Bodin on the left Tuesday. If the team was more balanced and more likely to get a result then it would be worth dropping Bodin, even though I consider him our best player. hmm, this is the first time I can remember disagreeing with you. I think you always have to play your best players, especially match winners which we have very few of. I would balance the team around the better players. If they are more balanced without him then they may as well have taken the 400k. Sercs has gone right off the boil of late, think he may be negatively affecting things more than Bodin.
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2017 22:38:31 GMT
If the team was more balanced and more likely to get a result then it would be worth dropping Bodin, even though I consider him our best player. hmm, this is the first time I can remember disagreeing with you. I think you always have to play your best players, especially match winners which we have very few of. I would balance the team around the better players. If they are more balanced without him then they may as well have taken the 400k. Sercs has gone right off the boil of late, think he may be negatively affecting things more than Bodin. I said above somewhere it wouldn't bother me if he starts in a striker role. Since posting that original team I have thought about it more and think we probably should accommodate him somewhere, just because he is about the only genuine match winner we have. I think the 3-5-2 should definitely be tried away from home though because we are so defensively inept, especially away from home in the past year...and it would probably mean dropping the ineffective Moore too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 22:40:41 GMT
People suggesting 5 at the back but dc has never played 5 at at the back! We have many times played 3-5-2 with the wing backs leadbitter/brown always well up the pitch,in fact in midfield. Trouble is with this set up you end up with slow centre backs getting sucked out wide and struggling to cope v pace. I dont think we have the right type of centre-backs to make 3-5-2 work.
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2017 22:49:28 GMT
People suggesting 5 at the back but dc has never played 5 at at the back! We have many times played 3-5-2 with the wing backs leadbitter/brown always well up the pitch,in fact in midfield. Trouble is with this set up you end up with slow centre backs getting sucked out wide and struggling to cope v pace. I dont think we have the right type of centre-backs to make 3-5-2 work. But we also don't have the central midfielders or left midfielder/winger to make a 4-4-2 work away from home. We also don't have the right defensive minded players at the moment to make the 4-3-3 work away from home either IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 23:12:23 GMT
People suggesting 5 at the back but dc has never played 5 at at the back! We have many times played 3-5-2 with the wing backs leadbitter/brown always well up the pitch,in fact in midfield. Trouble is with this set up you end up with slow centre backs getting sucked out wide and struggling to cope v pace. I dont think we have the right type of centre-backs to make 3-5-2 work. But we also don't have the central midfielders or left midfielder/winger to make a 4-4-2 work away from home. We also don't have the right defensive minded players at the moment to make the 4-3-3 work away from home either IMHO. Our transfer business in and out suggests dc wants to play 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 with a narrow midfield and full backs getting wide. Leadbitter and brown have been very athletic and willing in their overlapping full back roles for the club but right now they are struggling with this demanding role at the level we are playing at. For the 1st time under dc we have an injury list of note with players out injured and leadbitter,smith and o clarke not really looking fully fit and partington unable to play every game. To my way of thinking were going to have the typical 2nd season in a higher league after a promotion except by a miracle we had 2 promotions. People just expect too much imo not helped by Hamers budget comments and just the fact that we have a wealthy owner.
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Post by socrates on Sept 15, 2017 6:36:44 GMT
Playing Nichols who's not really done anything this season and dropping Bodin who is our biggest threat would be as bad a team selection as playing Bodin on the left Tuesday. If the team was more balanced and more likely to get a result then it would be worth dropping Bodin, even though I consider him our best player. I see what your saying. I actually think the arrival of Sercombe has upset the balance of the team more than anything. And again he's a good player so hard to drop too.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2017 7:07:05 GMT
But we also don't have the central midfielders or left midfielder/winger to make a 4-4-2 work away from home. We also don't have the right defensive minded players at the moment to make the 4-3-3 work away from home either IMHO. Our transfer business in and out suggests dc wants to play 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 with a narrow midfield and full backs getting wide. Leadbitter and brown have been very athletic and willing in their overlapping full back roles for the club but right now they are struggling with this demanding role at the level we are playing at. For the 1st time under dc we have an injury list of note with players out injured and leadbitter,smith and o clarke not really looking fully fit and partington unable to play every game. To my way of thinking were going to have the typical 2nd season in a higher league after a promotion except by a miracle we had 2 promotions. People just expect too much imo not helped by Hamers budget comments and just the fact that we have a wealthy owner. I don't get where this Brown is struggling nonsense is coming from, I'd say 90%+ of our goals recently have come from either our right side or from corners etc, when did we last even concede a goal from our left side in open play? Bola can start on Tuesday, if he has a storming game DC can worry about who starts at LB next Saturday, not tomorrow. Although the other option is to play Bola at RW, as DC did at Fulham, instead of Leads, as can he really be any worse at defending? DC will never try it but Harrison and Gaffney up top could also work if they are just told to chase every Wigan defender down, as P'boro did at the Mem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 9:59:16 GMT
Our transfer business in and out suggests dc wants to play 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 with a narrow midfield and full backs getting wide. Leadbitter and brown have been very athletic and willing in their overlapping full back roles for the club but right now they are struggling with this demanding role at the level we are playing at. For the 1st time under dc we have an injury list of note with players out injured and leadbitter,smith and o clarke not really looking fully fit and partington unable to play every game. To my way of thinking were going to have the typical 2nd season in a higher league after a promotion except by a miracle we had 2 promotions. People just expect too much imo not helped by Hamers budget comments and just the fact that we have a wealthy owner. I don't get where this Brown is struggling nonsense is coming from, I'd say 90%+ of our goals recently have come from either our right side or from corners etc, when did we last even concede a goal from our left side in open play? Bola can start on Tuesday, if he has a storming game DC can worry about who starts at LB next Saturday, not tomorrow. Although the other option is to play Bola at RW, as DC did at Fulham, instead of Leads, as can he really be any worse at defending? DC will never try it but Harrison and Gaffney up top could also work if they are just told to chase every Wigan defender down, as P'boro did at the Mem. Leadbitter and brown have struggled defensively at times this season.
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Post by Marshy on Sept 15, 2017 10:12:06 GMT
I don't get where this Brown is struggling nonsense is coming from, I'd say 90%+ of our goals recently have come from either our right side or from corners etc, when did we last even concede a goal from our left side in open play? Bola can start on Tuesday, if he has a storming game DC can worry about who starts at LB next Saturday, not tomorrow. Although the other option is to play Bola at RW, as DC did at Fulham, instead of Leads, as can he really be any worse at defending? DC will never try it but Harrison and Gaffney up top could also work if they are just told to chase every Wigan defender down, as P'boro did at the Mem. Leadbitter and brown have struggled defensively at times this season. A tad unfair picking those 2 out BB? As the whole team has struggled defensively, it comes to something when our best defender at set peices is Ellis.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 15, 2017 10:30:06 GMT
Leadbitter and brown have struggled defensively at times this season. A tad unfair picking those 2 out BB? As the whole team has struggled defensively, it comes to something when our best defender at set peices is Ellis. Leadbitter has started vs Peterborough, Bradford and Oldham. I like the bloke but he has looked shocking so far this season. Way too fragile. Brown is not often shocking but not often great either. I've said this in the time he has been with us. Can't remember a game where I thought he was the best player on the pitch. Maybe vs Dagenham but that is for other reasons lol! To give DC credit I think he is doing well at slowly getting rid of the players who aren't able to improve any further. Let's not forget this is where Paul Trollope struggled big time and was the start of our decline. Big season for Leads, at best he is looking at being a backup to Partington for next season I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 10:52:30 GMT
Whatever team DC sends out they should attack together defend together and take responsibility together and so should DC with his selection and formations I don't see enough communication between players like other teams letting each other know what's going on around them etc. He should take the captains armband from TL and give it to CL or TB or even BB and get them to get the team going when needed.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 15, 2017 10:59:44 GMT
Whatever team DC sends out they should attack together defend together and take responsibility together and so should DC with his selection and formations I don't see enough communication between players like other teams letting each other know what's going on around them etc. He should take the captains armband from TL and give it to CL or TB or even BB and get them to get the team going when needed. Wow, that is a shocking call. TL rallied the troops fine enough vs Walsall. CL is definitely not captain material and TB has hardly been a professional footballer for 5 minutes. Billy is probably the best candidate of the 3 but I'd rather let him get on with his stuff. Tom should keep the armband.
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