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Post by singupgas on Sept 24, 2017 10:49:19 GMT
we did okay yesterday. was an improved second half. DC will hopefully keep thing near enough the same, especially at that back. Hopefully we start the next game with the same 11 that finished yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 14:38:32 GMT
Good performance from tom nichols after a dodgy first 15 minutes,coming deep and playing some nice passes as well as whipping some decent crosses in. I think people were expecting an out and out striker which he isnt,hes more of a "false 9" or a link player floating between midfield and striker or strikers. Good technique and quick feet,i think it works against him that we didnt sign a play off the shoulder striker because people want him to be that type of player but hes not. I reckon he will prove himself as a very good signing. But don't you think we needed a 'play off the shoulder' striker than a 'false 9'? The first few few games I was impressed with toms movement, very much like when Matty Taylor first played for us. But where as MTs movement got him into scoring positions, TNs movement gets him in space 35 yards from goal and nothing comes of it. I think you're right it counts against him being this type of player. Unfortunately strikers are are judged on goals and he doesn't look like contributing too much. He rarely gets into scoring positions which suggests he will continue to struggle to score. The one good thing is BB and Harrison/gaffney look like being able to score 20 goals each. Yes i think we could do with a "off the shoulder" type striker but its not tom nichols fault that he isnt that type of player. My feeling is we missed on signing another striker but managed to sign telford as an afterthought to at least give us another option.
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Post by 1883kinhswoodgas on Sept 24, 2017 14:43:15 GMT
we did okay yesterday. was an improved second half. DC will hopefully keep thing near enough the same, especially at that back. Hopefully we start the next game with the same 11 that finished yesterday. Locks will play though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 14:45:59 GMT
Good performance from tom nichols after a dodgy first 15 minutes,coming deep and playing some nice passes as well as whipping some decent crosses in. I think people were expecting an out and out striker which he isnt,hes more of a "false 9" or a link player floating between midfield and striker or strikers. Good technique and quick feet,i think it works against him that we didnt sign a play off the shoulder striker because people want him to be that type of player but hes not. I reckon he will prove himself as a very good signing. But don't you think we needed a 'play off the shoulder' striker than a 'false 9'? The first few few games I was impressed with toms movement, very much like when Matty Taylor first played for us. But where as MTs movement got him into scoring positions, TNs movement gets him in space 35 yards from goal and nothing comes of it. I think you're right it counts against him being this type of player. Unfortunately strikers are are judged on goals and he doesn't look like contributing too much. He rarely gets into scoring positions which suggests he will continue to struggle to score. The one good thing is BB and Harrison/gaffney look like being able to score 20 goals each. All these "new" terms does my head in. In my day a 'false number 9'was just a attacking midfielder. 'The press' was just get the fu(king ball back. Why the need to reinvent everything?
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Post by daz on Sept 24, 2017 15:53:29 GMT
But don't you think we needed a 'play off the shoulder' striker than a 'false 9'? The first few few games I was impressed with toms movement, very much like when Matty Taylor first played for us. But where as MTs movement got him into scoring positions, TNs movement gets him in space 35 yards from goal and nothing comes of it. I think you're right it counts against him being this type of player. Unfortunately strikers are are judged on goals and he doesn't look like contributing too much. He rarely gets into scoring positions which suggests he will continue to struggle to score. The one good thing is BB and Harrison/gaffney look like being able to score 20 goals each. All these "new" terms does my head in. In my day a 'false number 9'was just a attacking midfielder. 'The press' was just get the fu(king ball back. Why the need to reinvent everything? Because football has changed and there are different types of strikers now, but I know what you're saying.
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Post by daz on Sept 24, 2017 15:55:19 GMT
But don't you think we needed a 'play off the shoulder' striker than a 'false 9'? The first few few games I was impressed with toms movement, very much like when Matty Taylor first played for us. But where as MTs movement got him into scoring positions, TNs movement gets him in space 35 yards from goal and nothing comes of it. I think you're right it counts against him being this type of player. Unfortunately strikers are are judged on goals and he doesn't look like contributing too much. He rarely gets into scoring positions which suggests he will continue to struggle to score. The one good thing is BB and Harrison/gaffney look like being able to score 20 goals each. Yes i think we could do with a "off the shoulder" type striker but its not tom nichols fault that he isnt that type of player. My feeling is we missed on signing another striker but managed to sign telford as an afterthought to at least give us another option. Agree, but I think he needs to provide more to the team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 17:25:16 GMT
But don't you think we needed a 'play off the shoulder' striker than a 'false 9'? The first few few games I was impressed with toms movement, very much like when Matty Taylor first played for us. But where as MTs movement got him into scoring positions, TNs movement gets him in space 35 yards from goal and nothing comes of it. I think you're right it counts against him being this type of player. Unfortunately strikers are are judged on goals and he doesn't look like contributing too much. He rarely gets into scoring positions which suggests he will continue to struggle to score. The one good thing is BB and Harrison/gaffney look like being able to score 20 goals each. All these "new" terms does my head in. In my day a 'false number 9'was just a attacking midfielder. 'The press' was just get the fu(king ball back. Why the need to reinvent everything? People used to say "deep lying centre-forward" or using the "revie plan" which don revie[the player] copied from the hungary team of the 50"s'. In recent years ive heard it called "false 9" for players like totti,messi and even rooney.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 17:38:06 GMT
From everything we know about Ollie Clarke, built up over a good few years now, one thing we can say for certain is he is not lazy. Like Partington, I suspect he is playing because we need him too, but is actually carrying an injury. load of rubbish,he's been a weak link in midfield most the season,so easy to beat and doesn't chase after a man that's just beaten him As soon as sercombe came on with his energy it changed the game,dc is too loyal to some players Ollie is carrying a calf injury that will only get better with rest so he has to manage it during the game If we had signed a defensive midfielder in the summer he would probably be fit by now but as we haven't got a replacement in the squad he has to play. Don't come back with we have sinclair because defensive midfielder he isnt
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 17:43:21 GMT
Where is the evidence he is carrying an injury? I'm sorry but I'm not having that. He was annoymous today. Spot on GGMI and I will add lazy to that. Definitely runs around a lot avoiding getting anywhere near the ball most of the time and therefore unable to get tackles in when they are needed. Evidence from interviews with both manager and player in recent weeks still you know fans they have to have a whipping boy Now Ellis has started performing looks like ollie is next in line
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 24, 2017 17:47:00 GMT
Spot on GGMI and I will add lazy to that. Definitely runs around a lot avoiding getting anywhere near the ball most of the time and therefore unable to get tackles in when they are needed. Evidence from interviews with both manager and player in recent weeks still you know fans they have to have a whipping boy Now Ellis has started performing looks like ollie is next in line Not really. Just calling a spade, a spade. He played sh** so we are saying he played sh**.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 17:52:52 GMT
All these "new" terms does my head in. In my day a 'false number 9'was just a attacking midfielder. 'The press' was just get the fu(king ball back. Why the need to reinvent everything? Because football has changed and there are different types of strikers now, but I know what you're saying. I keep hearing that statement football has changed but it hasn't has it? The aim of the game is to score goals and stop your opponents scoring nothing more nothing less
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 17:57:40 GMT
Evidence from interviews with both manager and player in recent weeks still you know fans they have to have a whipping boy Now Ellis has started performing looks like ollie is next in line Not really. Just calling a spade, a spade. He played sh** so we are saying he played sh**. But you are not are you.he is being called lazy when the people responsible for team selection know he is not fit and that he has to manage the injury because we have no replacement. As I said he is the new whipping boy.when he is fit and playing like he was last season who is next? My money is on Brown or lockyer
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Post by Colyton Gas on Sept 24, 2017 18:38:43 GMT
Stoke ended their game against Chelsea with no centre halves on the pitch.Shawcross still injured but Iv'e told them they can't have Sweeney back.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 24, 2017 18:46:32 GMT
Not really. Just calling a spade, a spade. He played sh** so we are saying he played sh**. But you are not are you.he is being called lazy when the people responsible for team selection know he is not fit and that he has to manage the injury because we have no replacement. As I said he is the new whipping boy.when he is fit and playing like he was last season who is next? My money is on Brown or lockyer Ollie is known to have struggled to overcome his injury. He could have wimped off onto the physio's bench but we all know the guy is Rovers to the core and as tough as they come. We don't have the strength in depth for him to be rested so he has to play through the injury. He deserves admiration for that and he has kept going right to the end of recent matches, memorably busting a gut to score the winner against Walsall and he also came good at the end on Saturday. What does he get in return? He gets called 'lazy' and told that he's 'played sh**' Ollie is a diamond and has been written off by large chunks of our fan base before - even last season, when he had a strong claim for player of the year. People ask 'where's the evidence he's carrying an injury?' It seems very fair to assume this given his interview earlier in the season and the evidence of how he has struggled at times on the pitch with his movement, but why would the manager make a point of divulging this if he's playing through it? The opposition would just target him immediately as a weak link. It pains me when people can't see the obvious. Ansinyah played pretty much the whole time he was here with his hamstring hanging by a thread and yet all he got was abuse for being 'lazy'. Let's hope Ollie gets over his injury soon and can show his very best. In before someone says 'I'm sorry but Anyinsah was a lazy Special lady garden'!
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 24, 2017 19:03:11 GMT
Spot on GGMI and I will add lazy to that. Definitely runs around a lot avoiding getting anywhere near the ball most of the time and therefore unable to get tackles in when they are needed. Evidence from interviews with both manager and player in recent weeks still you know fans they have to have a whipping boy Now Ellis has started performing looks like ollie is next in line has the hangover kicked in? You got your minge out again,if Ellis plays well I will praise him,if Clarke is playing sh**e(like all season) then I will say,he was brilliant last season
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 19:13:17 GMT
Evidence from interviews with both manager and player in recent weeks still you know fans they have to have a whipping boy Now Ellis has started performing looks like ollie is next in line has the hangover kicked in? You got your minge out again,if Ellis plays well I will praise him,if Clarke is playing sh**e(like all season) then I will say,he was brilliant last season Rubbish but then again when you have no answer you revert to personal insults. Why do you think so many respected people have left both forums?
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 24, 2017 19:19:41 GMT
has the hangover kicked in? You got your minge out again,if Ellis plays well I will praise him,if Clarke is playing sh**e(like all season) then I will say,he was brilliant last season Rubbish but then again when you have no answer you revert to personal insults. Why do you think so many respected people have left both forums? ive just answered it's not personal it's about performance and maybe a big reason why we've let in so many goal,no protection for the defence Would rather have Sinclair there chasing down and breaking up the play than Clarke in his current form,he needs a rest
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 24, 2017 19:25:28 GMT
Rubbish but then again when you have no answer you revert to personal insults. Why do you think so many respected people have left both forums? ive just answered it's not personal it's about performance and maybe a big reason why we've let in so many goal,no protection for the defence Would rather have Sinclair there chasing down and breaking up the play than Clarke in his current form, he needs a rest But I thought you said he was lazy
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Post by axegas on Sept 24, 2017 19:31:26 GMT
Stoke ended their game against Chelsea with no centre halves on the pitch.Shawcross still injured but Iv'e told them they can't have Sweeney back. They have Harry Souttar so I doubt that they would want to recall Sweeney. At some point I suspect they may choose between the pair going forward and hopefully they choose Souttar so we can get Sweeney back for good.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 24, 2017 19:36:10 GMT
Bit of a struggle first half, however second half we dominated, and there were some good performances out there, Ellis was fantastic, and Bola looked class. Being picky wanted us to try and score another at free kick at the end, and not take it into the corner. Surely Bola must start Tuesday, thought Parts would be right back but the tinker man surprised us again. Think we will improve as the season goes on, but can't see us making play offs, as we concede too many. DC prove me wrong!
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