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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 20, 2017 19:02:52 GMT
Expect the worst and then possibly be pleasantly surprised. I was there last night and I don't think it'll ever happen. Hamer wasn't very clear about options, little planning seems to have been done, it's basically start from scratch. Stands would need private finance. Even if it all was put in place stand by stand would take 4 x 2 or 3 years. Not sure one stand would take 2 to 3 years. The teds did their whole ground in that time.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 20, 2017 19:05:43 GMT
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Post by kruger on Oct 20, 2017 19:18:48 GMT
Haven't read the whole thread but think we will e talking about the same thing in 5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 19:31:22 GMT
Its amazing how people can be so optimistic,discussing all the various options etc. As one poster said bristol city used this process and built a ground fit for the premier division in no time at all. So when/if the owners get on and build it we will all be happy. They[city] made it look very easy so over to you hani?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2017 19:31:36 GMT
Some good suggestions being made on the forum but what happened to the team of architects who've apparently already designed 12 world class stadiums, have they been forgotten about already?
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Post by aghast on Oct 20, 2017 19:53:24 GMT
Some good suggestions being made on the forum but what happened to the team of architects who've apparently already designed 12 world class stadiums, have they been forgotten about already? They were escorted from the Mem as Hani's outburst of "How much? You're having a laugh, aren't you?" echoed along the corridors of power.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 21:41:32 GMT
Some good suggestions being made on the forum but what happened to the team of architects who've apparently already designed 12 world class stadiums, have they been forgotten about already? Maybe there the guys who mill about in tracksuits trying to look busy in the pre match warm ups?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 21, 2017 0:37:08 GMT
Few observations
Hani is quickly becoming our pantomime version of the Scrooge without anyone reallllyyy knowing anything about how the family works, aside from some bullshit ITKers which have managed to make his misery evolve from a rumour into perceived fact amongst the gaschat faithful.
We’re blaming the club for poor foresight on the adjoining rugby training ground. Wasn’t it already sold when the club got its hands on the Mem? Sold by the poor innocent rugby club who did a great job of managing their own financial affairs? And were trying to keep our mits off the deeds to the land.
Either way building the new east stand/end behind the east stand seems the most logical next step. Super exciting. If we don’t fill the place with hotels and student accommodation then we might be able to build something exciting. Perhaps Marvins crazy underground rail plans are all about ferrying the suppporters from all around Bristol to our world class stadium and arena complex?
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 21, 2017 5:09:09 GMT
When you look at those aerial pictures there's not a lot of room to do anything. The ground is a joke nationwide!! Bigger footprint than Goodison Park, apparently. Goodison has very very steep stands and you have the width of a road between the stands and houses. Aside we arnt redeveloping the mem anyway its a con.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 21, 2017 7:12:26 GMT
Bigger footprint than Goodison Park, apparently. Goodison has very very steep stands and you have the width of a road between the stands and houses. Aside we arnt redeveloping the mem anyway its a con. Well, I wasn't suggesting a 40,000 seater. Someone said there's not a lot of room to do anything, and so I replied with that. Nothing to do with the steepness of the stands. There's room to build a stadium at the Mem, clearly.
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Post by Mr Pond on Oct 21, 2017 7:21:22 GMT
Goodison has very very steep stands and you have the width of a road between the stands and houses. Aside we arnt redeveloping the mem anyway its a con. Well, I wasn't suggesting a 40,000 seater. Someone said there's not a lot of room to do anything, and so I replied with that. Nothing to do with the steepness of the stands. There's room to build a stadium at the Mem, clearly. Could the access and service roads be built under ground allowing the stadium to have more room.
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Post by kruger on Oct 21, 2017 7:21:28 GMT
Bigger footprint than Goodison Park, apparently. Goodison has very very steep stands and you have the width of a road between the stands and houses. Aside we arnt redeveloping the mem anyway its a con. agreed, its just the next step to keep us all quiet for a few years.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 21, 2017 7:23:14 GMT
Few observations Hani is quickly becoming our pantomime version of the Scrooge without anyone reallllyyy knowing anything about how the family works, aside from some bullshit ITKers which have managed to make his misery evolve from a rumour into perceived fact amongst the gaschat faithful. We’re blaming the club for poor foresight on the adjoining rugby training ground. Wasn’t it already sold when the club got its hands on the Mem? Sold by the poor innocent rugby club who did a great job of managing their own financial affairs? And were trying to keep our mits off the deeds to the land. Either way building the new east stand/end behind the east stand seems the most logical next step. Super exciting. If we don’t fill the place with hotels and student accommodation then we might be able to build something exciting. Perhaps Marvins crazy underground rail plans are all about ferrying the suppporters from all around Bristol to our world class stadium and arena complex? I believe you're right, the rugby training pitch was a Rugby club decision (or at least a joint one), but I wasn't trying to blame anyone for it, really, I was just bemoaning the 'almost but not quite, something bad always comes up' feel of our history. That's all, really. You're right about Hani, too. Istm that after the UWE fell through, a lot of people started blaming Wael for it, but he was vigorously defended coz he's obviously a football man and seems a decent bloke and seems to love the club already, and so lots of people just switched to blaming Hani for it, and he couldn't be defended in the same way (just coz we don't know much about him). Of course the people criticising don't know much about him either, but that doesn't stop them.
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Post by garystash on Oct 21, 2017 7:27:17 GMT
It's good to dream, and there are a lot of (imo) pipe dreams on this thread.
To me, "stand by stand" means "on the cheap".
The recent blog post from Carstairs clearly stated the directors of the club had said the regeneration would be "self financing".
Interperet that how you will, but to me it means they intend to get other people to pay for it. I think it means they will try to convince businesses (bakery, brewery etc.) to set up at the regenerated stadium, thereby using their money to pay for it.
Isn't that what "investement" bankers do? Use other people's money to make money?
Whilst I believe the family are in it for the long haul, it seems they are not prepared to put their own money in.
Anything they have put in is secured against The Mem. Anything else will have come from outside - and be someone else's risk.
I am of the opinion that UWE fell through due to lack of finance. I am suspicious that finance is the reason the training ground seems to be going nowhere fast. Finally, I believe we will get a regeneration only of a standard that other people are prepared to pay for.
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Post by gas2 on Oct 21, 2017 9:24:05 GMT
Imo I don't think we have heard the last of the u w e stadium saga
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 21, 2017 9:42:35 GMT
It's good to dream, and there are a lot of (imo) pipe dreams on this thread. To me, "stand by stand" means "on the cheap". The recent blog post from Carstairs clearly stated the directors of the club had said the regeneration would be "self financing". Interperet that how you will, but to me it means they intend to get other people to pay for it. I think it means they will try to convince businesses (bakery, brewery etc.) to set up at the regenerated stadium, thereby using their money to pay for it. Isn't that what "investement" bankers do? Use other people's money to make money? Whilst I believe the family are in it for the long haul, it seems they are not prepared to put their own money in. Anything they have put in is secured against The Mem. Anything else will have come from outside - and be someone else's risk. I am of the opinion that UWE fell through due to lack of finance. I am suspicious that finance is the reason the training ground seems to be going nowhere fast. Finally, I believe we will get a regeneration only of a standard that other people are prepared to pay for. Stand by stand, paid for by someone else, and/or self financing through sustainable ventures at the ground don’t sound bad to me. It’s only bad if it’s a short term capital return alike to selling land ie to build student accommodation. As once it’s there you’ve lost the ability to do anything with the land and any future earning potential.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 21, 2017 9:44:48 GMT
Few observations Hani is quickly becoming our pantomime version of the Scrooge without anyone reallllyyy knowing anything about how the family works, aside from some bullshit ITKers which have managed to make his misery evolve from a rumour into perceived fact amongst the gaschat faithful. We’re blaming the club for poor foresight on the adjoining rugby training ground. Wasn’t it already sold when the club got its hands on the Mem? Sold by the poor innocent rugby club who did a great job of managing their own financial affairs? And were trying to keep our mits off the deeds to the land. Either way building the new east stand/end behind the east stand seems the most logical next step. Super exciting. If we don’t fill the place with hotels and student accommodation then we might be able to build something exciting. Perhaps Marvins crazy underground rail plans are all about ferrying the suppporters from all around Bristol to our world class stadium and arena complex? I believe you're right, the rugby training pitch was a Rugby club decision (or at least a joint one), but I wasn't trying to blame anyone for it, really, I was just bemoaning the 'almost but not quite, something bad always comes up' feel of our history. That's all, really. You're right about Hani, too. Istm that after the UWE fell through, a lot of people started blaming Wael for it, but he was vigorously defended coz he's obviously a football man and seems a decent bloke and seems to love the club already, and so lots of people just switched to blaming Hani for it, and he couldn't be defended in the same way (just coz we don't know much about him). Of course the people criticising don't know much about him either, but that doesn't stop them. We were told Hani held the purse strings just after he appeared on the scene when Currah & Lewis departed, I now sense Wael sits with fans in away games as he feels guilty he can't deliver what he promised. So until we really know what the ALQ's real intention are whatever Wael & SH say in interviews is really meaningless in my view. Perhaps 20men should invite Hani & Wael into the studios for his next interview.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 21, 2017 10:03:01 GMT
I believe you're right, the rugby training pitch was a Rugby club decision (or at least a joint one), but I wasn't trying to blame anyone for it, really, I was just bemoaning the 'almost but not quite, something bad always comes up' feel of our history. That's all, really. You're right about Hani, too. Istm that after the UWE fell through, a lot of people started blaming Wael for it, but he was vigorously defended coz he's obviously a football man and seems a decent bloke and seems to love the club already, and so lots of people just switched to blaming Hani for it, and he couldn't be defended in the same way (just coz we don't know much about him). Of course the people criticising don't know much about him either, but that doesn't stop them. We were told Hani held the purse strings just after he appeared on the scene when Currah & Lewis departed, I now sense Wael sits with fans in away games as he feels guilty he can't deliver what he promised. So until we really know what the ALQ's real intention are whatever Wael & SH say in interviews is really meaningless in my view. Perhaps 20men should invite Hani & Wael into the studios for his next interview. Funniest thing i've read today.... Maybe just maybe he likes being with proper football fans and not some stuck up football chairperson who talks about everything except football ?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 21, 2017 10:13:23 GMT
I believe you're right, the rugby training pitch was a Rugby club decision (or at least a joint one), but I wasn't trying to blame anyone for it, really, I was just bemoaning the 'almost but not quite, something bad always comes up' feel of our history. That's all, really. You're right about Hani, too. Istm that after the UWE fell through, a lot of people started blaming Wael for it, but he was vigorously defended coz he's obviously a football man and seems a decent bloke and seems to love the club already, and so lots of people just switched to blaming Hani for it, and he couldn't be defended in the same way (just coz we don't know much about him). Of course the people criticising don't know much about him either, but that doesn't stop them. We were told Hani held the purse strings just after he appeared on the scene when Currah & Lewis departed, I now sense Wael sits with fans in away games as he feels guilty he can't deliver what he promised. So until we really know what the ALQ's real intention are whatever Wael & SH say in interviews is really meaningless in my view. Perhaps 20men should invite Hani & Wael into the studios for his next interview. Istm you're happy to ignore any defense of the AlQ's coz we don't really know the whole truth, but at the same time you're happy to spread loads of your anxieties and nonsense coz we don't really know the whole truth.
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Post by garystash on Oct 21, 2017 10:25:25 GMT
Stand by stand, paid for by someone else, and/or self financing through sustainable ventures at the ground don’t sound bad to me. It’s only bad if it’s a short term capital return alike to selling land ie to build student accommodation. As once it’s there you’ve lost the ability to do anything with the land and any future earning potential. I'm not saying it's a bad plan, but it's not going to pay to lower or rotate the pitch - or many other things people may be wishing for. It will be done in the cheapest possible way, just like the ridiculous shelters that have been put up to protect the supporters with disabilities from the elements. I demolished a shed in my back garden this year that looked better than those things - and I'm not even joking!
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