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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 12:12:40 GMT
Most of the teams who have beaten us this season have width and pace which we lack completely and most have a big man up front. Most successful teams pressurise from the off and only a few teams sit back and let you play like we do. No system other than 2-3-5 has really been antiquated and if a team has pace in abundance and pressurise from the front the formation doesn't really matter. Our system is very defensive orientated with all the energy being used up by our front players and playing that way we will struggle to beat any of the decent teams in this division. Anyone who thinks we have been defence orientated under dc is talking rubbish imo. High press style is just one of many ways of playing the game,plenty of teams are successful getting behind the ball and not pressing high. That said there have been certain matches when we have pressed high,its just not the managers favourite style.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 30, 2017 12:34:25 GMT
Steve if managing a Div 1 football club is so easy why haven't you ever given it a go, it must pay better than your day time job? Unnecessary, he's putting across his views ( usually well -constructed !).
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Post by markczgas on Oct 30, 2017 12:38:16 GMT
Most of the teams who have beaten us this season have width and pace which we lack completely and most have a big man up front. Most successful teams pressurise from the off and only a few teams sit back and let you play like we do. No system other than 2-3-5 has really been antiquated and if a team has pace in abundance and pressurise from the front the formation doesn't really matter. Our system is very defensive orientated with all the energy being used up by our front players and playing that way we will struggle to beat any of the decent teams in this division. Anyone who thinks we have been defence orientated under dc is talking rubbish imo. High press style is just one of many ways of playing the game,plenty of teams are successful getting behind the ball and not pressing high. That said there have been certain matches when we have pressed high,its just not the managers favourite style. One thing that hasn't impressed me this season is the amount of work Harrison has had to do at the back - sometimes having forwards at the back to help just means players getting in the way of each other ! Perhaps DC has done this out of worry - cos our backline haven't performed well this season. But would rather see 1 or even 2 forwards left up the pitch to make opposition worry about us. I remember this season P'boro left even 3 up to against us to great effect !!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 30, 2017 12:38:54 GMT
I hope this was the first of many, I agree, give the fella the right service, his confidence will come back and the goals will come. Sorry but I have to highlight this. Football fans are so fickle. A few weeks ago you were saying he was an awful signing and we didn't have a natural goalscorer, 1 goal later and... I have to ask what Nichols has done to change your mind the past few weeks? Your right it was a few weeks ago; however, from what I have seen, when he has played since home and or away, he has worked hard, put in a shift not sulked and tbh, I have noticed how deep he has to go, generally out wide, to even get the ball. Why did he score Saturday, because he was in right place to pick up a mistake which he duly slotted, will he be a goal machine, still not sure, but given the right service, in the right areas of the pitch, then maybe. Its not be fickle, its simply changing your mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 13:17:54 GMT
Anyone who thinks we have been defence orientated under dc is talking rubbish imo. High press style is just one of many ways of playing the game,plenty of teams are successful getting behind the ball and not pressing high. That said there have been certain matches when we have pressed high,its just not the managers favourite style. One thing that hasn't impressed me this season is the amount of work Harrison has had to do at the back - sometimes having forwards at the back to help just means players getting in the way of each other ! Perhaps DC has done this out of worry - cos our backline haven't performed well this season. But would rather see 1 or even 2 forwards left up the pitch to make opposition worry about us. I remember this season P'boro left even 3 up to against us to great effect !! I think most teams would have harrison back at set pieces. Peterbro set up a certain way against us that worked very well on the day,do they always play that style? They have won 7 and lost 5 in the league. We were more cautious on saturday than normal which i believe is the manager trying to adapt to the problems we have had.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2017 13:53:09 GMT
Anyone who thinks we have been defence orientated under dc is talking rubbish imo. High press style is just one of many ways of playing the game,plenty of teams are successful getting behind the ball and not pressing high. That said there have been certain matches when we have pressed high,its just not the managers favourite style. One thing that hasn't impressed me this season is the amount of work Harrison has had to do at the back - sometimes having forwards at the back to help just means players getting in the way of each other ! Perhaps DC has done this out of worry - cos our backline haven't performed well this season. But would rather see 1 or even 2 forwards left up the pitch to make opposition worry about us. I remember this season P'boro left even 3 up to against us to great effect !! We've conceded the most goals in Div 1, leaving even more players upfront is hardly going to help us stop conceding. Although with Smith, Leads, Brown & Sincs all returning to the side plus Broadbent improving each game perhaps, we're finally turning the corner.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 30, 2017 14:21:33 GMT
One thing that hasn't impressed me this season is the amount of work Harrison has had to do at the back - sometimes having forwards at the back to help just means players getting in the way of each other ! Perhaps DC has done this out of worry - cos our backline haven't performed well this season. But would rather see 1 or even 2 forwards left up the pitch to make opposition worry about us. I remember this season P'boro left even 3 up to against us to great effect !! We've conceded the most goals in Div 1, leaving even more players upfront is hardly going to help us stop conceding. Although with Smith, Leads, Brown & Sincs all returning to the side plus Broadbent improving each game perhaps, we're finally turning the corner. 10 players behind the ball doesn't guarantee better defending, does it ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 14:41:57 GMT
I’ve got to agree with SteveK and I find it strange people can’t see we are set up defensive.
Playing 4 central midfielders across the 4 man midfield is the most defensive formation you can set up.
Even playing 5 at the back you expect your wing backs to go forward but we don’t employ this tactic.
Even in a 4-5-1 you will ask a winger or central midfielder to break into the forward line, we don’t employ this tactic either.
Leads hasn’t really been playing......Partington and Brown as full backs, no wingers, strikers asked to go wide to get the ball, I really do wonder if some on here have ever played the game or have much concept of it.
Take Bodin away from us and for a long time I can’t remember such a defensive set up, even Graydon used Wayne Carlisle!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 14:42:26 GMT
I’ve got to agree with SteveK and I find it strange people can’t see we are set up defensive.
Playing 4 central midfielders across the 4 man midfield is the most defensive formation you can set up.
Even playing 5 at the back you expect your wing backs to go forward but we don’t employ this tactic.
Even in a 4-5-1 you will ask a winger or central midfielder to break into the forward line, we don’t employ this tactic either.
Leads hasn’t really been playing......Partington and Brown as full backs, no wingers, strikers asked to go wide to get the ball, I really do wonder if some on here have ever played the game or have much concept of it.
Take Bodin away from us and for a long time I can’t remember such a defensive set up, even Graydon used Wayne Carlisle!!
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 30, 2017 17:57:26 GMT
I’ve got to agree with SteveK and I find it strange people can’t see we are set up defensive. Playing 4 central midfielders across the 4 man midfield is the most defensive formation you can set up. Even playing 5 at the back you expect your wing backs to go forward but we don’t employ this tactic. Even in a 4-5-1 you will ask a winger or central midfielder to break into the forward line, we don’t employ this tactic either. Leads hasn’t really been playing......Partington and Brown as full backs, no wingers, strikers asked to go wide to get the ball, I really do wonder if some on here have ever played the game or have much concept of it. Take Bodin away from us and for a long time I can’t remember such a defensive set up, even Graydon used Wayne Carlisle!! Partington & Brown who must have 8 assists between them ? I've played the game & consider myself to have a decent concept of it and I don't think we're defensive at all. You aren't the top scorers in a division by being defensive and part of the reason we concede so many goals is that we try & win games rather than park the bus
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Post by socrates on Oct 30, 2017 18:32:47 GMT
One thing that hasn't impressed me this season is the amount of work Harrison has had to do at the back - sometimes having forwards at the back to help just means players getting in the way of each other ! Perhaps DC has done this out of worry - cos our backline haven't performed well this season. But would rather see 1 or even 2 forwards left up the pitch to make opposition worry about us. I remember this season P'boro left even 3 up to against us to great effect !! I think most teams would have harrison back at set pieces. Peterbro set up a certain way against us that worked very well on the day,do they always play that style? They have won 7 and lost 5 in the league. We were more cautious on saturday than normal which i believe is the manager trying to adapt to the problems we have had. I think it’s a bit of that and partly because of the way MK play. We played the same way against Barnet and Gateshead in the conference and against Swindon last season. All those teams looked to play it out from the back and our tactic on the day worked well. Sit deep let them play a bit across the back and when it approaches their midfield pounce on them all at once and win it back on the edge of their final third.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2017 18:39:30 GMT
I’ve got to agree with SteveK and I find it strange people can’t see we are set up defensive. Playing 4 central midfielders across the 4 man midfield is the most defensive formation you can set up. Even playing 5 at the back you expect your wing backs to go forward but we don’t employ this tactic. Even in a 4-5-1 you will ask a winger or central midfielder to break into the forward line, we don’t employ this tactic either. Leads hasn’t really been playing......Partington and Brown as full backs, no wingers, strikers asked to go wide to get the ball, I really do wonder if some on here have ever played the game or have much concept of it. Take Bodin away from us and for a long time I can’t remember such a defensive set up, even Graydon used Wayne Carlisle!! No surprise there as both of you have an history of having some strange agenda against DC. At the Mem this season I can't recall one performance you would call defensive but if you aren't happy with the way we're playing now how the hell did you both cope under the likes of JW and MM?
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 30, 2017 19:05:17 GMT
Christ, I agree with Topper...
Time to shut this place I reckon.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 30, 2017 19:18:12 GMT
I’ve got to agree with SteveK and I find it strange people can’t see we are set up defensive. Playing 4 central midfielders across the 4 man midfield is the most defensive formation you can set up. Even playing 5 at the back you expect your wing backs to go forward but we don’t employ this tactic. Even in a 4-5-1 you will ask a winger or central midfielder to break into the forward line, we don’t employ this tactic either. Leads hasn’t really been playing......Partington and Brown as full backs, no wingers, strikers asked to go wide to get the ball, I really do wonder if some on here have ever played the game or have much concept of it. Take Bodin away from us and for a long time I can’t remember such a defensive set up, even Graydon used Wayne Carlisle!! Partington & Brown who must have 8 assists between them ? I've played the game & consider myself to have a decent concept of it and I don't think we're defensive at all. You aren't the top scorers in a division by being defensive and part of the reason we concede so many goals is that we try & win games rather than park the bus You are right that Partington and Brown have the most assists for us this year (11 between them), but it has to be said that all 11 of those assists came in the month of August, which suggests that we have been playing a less expansive system since.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 20:03:15 GMT
Nothing like hard facts 2nd May 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Take Bodin out of the side and we are very defensive.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 30, 2017 21:04:58 GMT
Partington & Brown who must have 8 assists between them ? I've played the game & consider myself to have a decent concept of it and I don't think we're defensive at all. You aren't the top scorers in a division by being defensive and part of the reason we concede so many goals is that we try & win games rather than park the bus You are right that Partington and Brown have the most assists for us this year (11 between them), but it has to be said that all 11 of those assists came in the month of August, which suggests that we have been playing a less expansive system since. Or that they didn't play..... Brown missed a few games for starters. Also, it's pretty hard to get assists when one of the strikers doesn't score a goal all month. As others have said, I don't see us as particularly defensive at all from watching games.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 30, 2017 22:07:27 GMT
I’ve got to agree with SteveK and I find it strange people can’t see we are set up defensive. Playing 4 central midfielders across the 4 man midfield is the most defensive formation you can set up. Even playing 5 at the back you expect your wing backs to go forward but we don’t employ this tactic. Even in a 4-5-1 you will ask a winger or central midfielder to break into the forward line, we don’t employ this tactic either. Leads hasn’t really been playing......Partington and Brown as full backs, no wingers, strikers asked to go wide to get the ball, I really do wonder if some on here have ever played the game or have much concept of it. Take Bodin away from us and for a long time I can’t remember such a defensive set up, even Graydon used Wayne Carlisle!! The diamond suits the players we have. And only one of those 4 cms is a holding midfielder.
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Post by oviedista on Oct 30, 2017 22:28:55 GMT
I see so much talk of 'wingers' and 'target men' on this forum. If we are genuinely interested in evolving football at Rovers we need to move beyond antiquated systems that have been long abandoned beyond the lower tiers of British football. What would you call Costa, Lukaku, Kane, Carrol, and the other big centre fowards in top flight football. Plus im pretty sure Ronaldo, Robben etc are wingers. It was said wing backs were antiquated a while ago, yet they're still used, 442 was antiquated. It's 11 v 11 and always has been, but a team that's successful will get the system they use copied, like Spain and yet the Dutch stuffed them playing 442 and pressing the ball not long ago. I'd call them big strong centre forwards but they don't operate as target men in the old sense. Dito Ronaldo and Robben much more than just winders beating a man and getting crosses in. Agree wing backs have made a resurgence and game constantly evolving. It's more the 'hitting the big man and feeding off the knock downs' that is long gone.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 30, 2017 22:33:32 GMT
Nothing like hard facts 2nd May 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Take Bodin out of the side and we are very defensive. Bodin went off at Northampton Nichols comes on we played with 3 strikers, Oxford at home Shrewsbury away yep you guessed it 3 strikers. Meltdown claiming we should shut up shop away from home formation changes at Rochdale but still play with 2 up top again Sat 2 up top. Hardly defensive is it ??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 22:40:20 GMT
I’ve got to agree with SteveK and I find it strange people can’t see we are set up defensive. Playing 4 central midfielders across the 4 man midfield is the most defensive formation you can set up. Even playing 5 at the back you expect your wing backs to go forward but we don’t employ this tactic. Even in a 4-5-1 you will ask a winger or central midfielder to break into the forward line, we don’t employ this tactic either. Leads hasn’t really been playing......Partington and Brown as full backs, no wingers, strikers asked to go wide to get the ball, I really do wonder if some on here have ever played the game or have much concept of it. Take Bodin away from us and for a long time I can’t remember such a defensive set up, even Graydon used Wayne Carlisle!! Often we have set up with clarke,lines,sercombe and nichols/bodin in a midfield 4,in other words 3 attack minded players,other times we have played with only 3 in midfield and 3 up top. How can that be defensive? Also we have scored plenty of goals.
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