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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 7, 2017 8:13:28 GMT
I should add, that those stating everything is great at the top level of the Club should apply the same scrutiny to their assertions as they expect of the doom merchants.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 7, 2017 8:14:15 GMT
Well not quite no evidence. There's certainly more evidence than there is a lack of. Planning applications. Consultation with local groups. I can plan an extension on the back of my house and ask my neighbours if it's ok and in keeping with the area etc. I cant afford an extension. But why would buy a plot of land and then play architects to draw up plans if you had no intention of doing the work? Perhaps Hani has withdrawn funding and posters are right to raise concerns, then again perhaps he hasn't and just because we're delaying paying a few bills the IA brigade are trying to undermine the owners.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 7, 2017 8:26:00 GMT
Well not quite no evidence. There's certainly more evidence than there is a lack of. Planning applications. Consultation with local groups. I can plan an extension on the back of my house and ask my neighbours if it's ok and in keeping with the area etc. I cant afford an extension. If a neighbour is planning an extension and you can see that he has bought a strip of land next to their house, that the council have agreed to plans and he tells you that he wants to amend the plans for a bigger extension, yet another neighbour tells you that there is something not right as the postman told him that he is sure he saw a final demand in the post, what would you think? If same neighbour also tells you that he is going to get a really good car, then when you see a Ford Focus on their drive would you think to yourself that he can't have any money because a good car to you is an Audi?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 7, 2017 8:26:55 GMT
I can plan an extension on the back of my house and ask my neighbours if it's ok and in keeping with the area etc. I cant afford an extension. But why would buy a plot of land and then play architects to draw up plans if you had no intention of doing the work? Perhaps Hani has withdrawn funding and posters are right to raise concerns, then again perhaps he hasn't and just because we're delaying paying a few bills the IA brigade are trying to undermine the owners. I agree. But that could be explained as a change of mind. We have no evidence they haven't gone cold, just as we have none they have. What I do know is that a number of people are trying to destabilize the AQs. That much is evident. Whether they are right or wrong remains harder to explain. As you said earlier, and bumble alluded to elsewhere, what would motivate someone to do that, what is there to be gained and where were these people when the previous board were running things.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 7, 2017 8:30:53 GMT
I can plan an extension on the back of my house and ask my neighbours if it's ok and in keeping with the area etc. I cant afford an extension. If your neighbour can see that you have bought a strip of land next to your house, that the council have agreed to plans and he tells you that he wants to amend the plans for a bigger extension, yet another neighbour tells you that there is something not right as the postman told him that he is sure he saw a final demand in the post, what would you think? If same neighbour also tells you that he is going to get a really good car, then when you see a Ford Focus on their drive would you think to yourself that he can't have any money because a good car to you is an Audi? Look, my point was that both sides are using logical fallacies to prop up their argument. Because A, therefore B. We have consulted local groups. Great. We have submitted plans. Lovely. That doesn't then mean the owners are about to spend millions of their own or investors money on us.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 7, 2017 8:37:05 GMT
If your neighbour can see that you have bought a strip of land next to your house, that the council have agreed to plans and he tells you that he wants to amend the plans for a bigger extension, yet another neighbour tells you that there is something not right as the postman told him that he is sure he saw a final demand in the post, what would you think? If same neighbour also tells you that he is going to get a really good car, then when you see a Ford Focus on their drive would you think to yourself that he can't have any money because a good car to you is an Audi? Look, my point was that both sides are using logical fallacies to prop up their argument. Because A, therefore B. We have consulted local groups. Great. We have submitted plans. Lovely. That doesn't then mean the owners are about to spend millions of their own or investors money on us. I know, reading the forum at the moment is disheartening yet the irony is most are probably 95% in agreement but don't realise and are twisting themselves in knots arguing over the difference. CSI: Bristol, one of those shows that never got to air on TV 😎
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Post by LJG on Nov 7, 2017 9:18:56 GMT
Well not quite no evidence. There's certainly more evidence than there is a lack of. Planning applications. Consultation with local groups. I can plan an extension on the back of my house and ask my neighbours if it's ok and in keeping with the area etc. I cant afford an extension. That's one of your fallacies. You said there was no evidence that the colony or the stadium will happen. There isn't no evidence. There is some evidence. It might be weak evidence or evidence which is not particularly persuasive to lead you to believe that those things will be the ultimate outcome but it's still there.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 7, 2017 9:25:30 GMT
I can plan an extension on the back of my house and ask my neighbours if it's ok and in keeping with the area etc. I cant afford an extension. That's one of your fallacies. You said there was no evidence that the colony or the stadium will happen. There isn't no evidence. There is some evidence. It might be weak evidence or evidence which is not particularly persuasive to lead you to believe that those things will be the ultimate outcome but it's still there. I guess it's easy to put these rumours just pay J&G Fencing's invoice or explain briefly the nature of dispute and the owners confirm that they still intend proceeding with the Mem regen and training ground?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 7, 2017 9:33:46 GMT
I can plan an extension on the back of my house and ask my neighbours if it's ok and in keeping with the area etc. I cant afford an extension. That's one of your fallacies. You said there was no evidence that the colony or the stadium will happen. There isn't no evidence. There is some evidence. It might be weak evidence or evidence which is not particularly persuasive to lead you to believe that those things will be the ultimate outcome but it's still there. Yes, I accept that.
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Post by Slide away on Nov 7, 2017 12:55:42 GMT
One fact is that the board were quoted on numerous occasions stating that staying at the mem was no feesable for the clubs future- now it's the preferred/only option?! That doesn't stack up to me... I said it before, things change. If I said I will travel to work by bus and then the bus didn't turn up so I walked to work instead, would that stack up to you? Of course it would. Likewise, club statements saying.... "Staying at the Mem is not feesable" (I am getting the bus to work) Then the UWE deal broke down (bus didn't turn up) "Stay at the Mem is now the only option" (so I walked to work instead) Things change meaning decisions then have to change. Its not that difficult to understand. I dont agree with that one bit, not feesable suggests that the club is not sustainable financially in the long run, so doesn't really work with your bus comparison. I would hope that before making that comment the owners looked at all possibilities of what was available to do with the mem and then came to the conclusion that to generate the required revenue wouldn't be achievable by staying, if they didn't look at all possibilities, to say that it wouldn't be feesable to stay at the mem was a silly comment to make?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 7, 2017 14:38:44 GMT
Does anyone now believe we will have. 1] A new or redeveloped ground fit for the championship? 2] A good quality training facility of championship standard? 3] A category 2 academy. 4] An infrastructure and team capable of competing long term in the championship. All hugely expensive with i would suggest the new ground essential in a relatively short timescale. So does anyone think this all this will happen? Yes but under new ownership.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 7, 2017 14:46:14 GMT
Does anyone now believe we will have. 1] A new or redeveloped ground fit for the championship? 2] A good quality training facility of championship standard? 3] A category 2 academy. 4] An infrastructure and team capable of competing long term in the championship. All hugely expensive with i would suggest the new ground essential in a relatively short timescale. So does anyone think this all this will happen? 1) A redeveloped ground - Yes. Championship fit - Borderline. Although, I am concerned about how long all this will take? 2) A good quality training facility - Yes. I think this will happen quicker than the ground because it is a must for Rovers to become self sufficient. 3) A category 2 academy - Yes 4) An infrastructure and team capable of competing long term in the Championship. - Short term - Yes, Long term - No. I think long term a move to a new stadium has to happen to enable Rovers to keep growing. No good having an 18,000 stadium when there are 45+ thousand Gasheads potentially who would support Rovers in the Premier League if the dream was to happen. 45k turning up regularly to watch us should we ever reach the premier league is just laughable. Whether we like it or not the Ted’s have the bigger crowds and historically too. We would have a decent turnout of maybe 25K out of being inquisitive then it would die back. The only way we would have crowds above 12-14K is if we were competing. Bristol is not Manchester and we have many who live here who were not born and bred here so they don’t have interest in football. We don’t sell out the mem for crying out loud. I love your optimism but I’m afraid it needs a reality check
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 7, 2017 16:27:03 GMT
Please tell me you said this ironically. In fairness there isn't any evidence that the Mem will be rebuilt or the colony will happen. Just as there is no evidence the AQs want out and are broke. I just meant it in the sense that BS5 was asking for some facts.
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 7, 2017 20:17:15 GMT
1) A redeveloped ground - Yes. Championship fit - Borderline. Although, I am concerned about how long all this will take? 2) A good quality training facility - Yes. I think this will happen quicker than the ground because it is a must for Rovers to become self sufficient. 3) A category 2 academy - Yes 4) An infrastructure and team capable of competing long term in the Championship. - Short term - Yes, Long term - No. I think long term a move to a new stadium has to happen to enable Rovers to keep growing. No good having an 18,000 stadium when there are 45+ thousand Gasheads potentially who would support Rovers in the Premier League if the dream was to happen. 45k turning up regularly to watch us should we ever reach the premier league is just laughable. Whether we like it or not the Ted’s have the bigger crowds and historically too. We would have a decent turnout of maybe 25K out of being inquisitive then it would die back. The only way we would have crowds above 12-14K is if we were competing. Bristol is not Manchester and we have many who live here who were not born and bred here so they don’t have interest in football. We don’t sell out the mem for crying out loud. I love your optimism but I’m afraid it needs a reality check I think my comments have been taken out of context somewhat. I didn't say 45 thousand turning up every week. That would be completely delusional. What I said was potentially 45+ thousand Gasheads to tap into for support. There is a massive catchment area in and around Bristol that would love to watch a Premiership game whether they support Rovers or the opposition. You have to go to Swansea, Southampton or London to watch a Premiership match.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 9, 2017 0:47:32 GMT
45k turning up regularly to watch us should we ever reach the premier league is just laughable. Whether we like it or not the Ted’s have the bigger crowds and historically too. We would have a decent turnout of maybe 25K out of being inquisitive then it would die back. The only way we would have crowds above 12-14K is if we were competing. Bristol is not Manchester and we have many who live here who were not born and bred here so they don’t have interest in football. We don’t sell out the mem for crying out loud. I love your optimism but I’m afraid it needs a reality check I think my comments have been taken out of context somewhat. I didn't say 45 thousand turning up every week. That would be completely delusional. What I said was potentially 45+ thousand Gasheads to tap into for support. There is a massive catchment area in and around Bristol that would love to watch a Premiership game whether they support Rovers or the opposition. You have to go to Swansea, Southampton or London to watch a Premiership match. Fair comment but I think 45k is stretching it a lot
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Post by southvillegas on Nov 9, 2017 6:26:28 GMT
Are you for real 45k? Southampton average around 30k now in the 1st tier. The ideal situation for us would be to have stadium similar to Colchester or Bournemouth.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 9, 2017 6:53:40 GMT
They are talking about catchment, not stadium capacity.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 9, 2017 8:24:56 GMT
They are talking about catchment, not stadium capacity. Yeah, seems fairly obvious to me that if you asked everyone in greater Bristol who they supported (whatever that actually means) at least 45,000 would say Rovers. Doesn't mean they'd come and see us, or they'd walk around Kingswood humming Goodnight Irene, but they effectively consider themselves Rovers.
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 9, 2017 9:38:31 GMT
They are talking about catchment, not stadium capacity. Yeah, seems fairly obvious to me that if you asked everyone in greater Bristol who they supported (whatever that actually means) at least 45,000 would say Rovers. Doesn't mean they'd come and see us, or they'd walk around Kingswood humming Goodnight Irene, but they effectively consider themselves Rovers. Everywhere you go when people ask if you are from Bristol and they ask who you support and you say Rovers they are always sound, but if you say you are a Ted then chances are they won't be very accommodating. Plenty of Gas about but they don't scream and shout about it like the 82ers.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 9, 2017 13:09:09 GMT
This was posted on another page....... Richie Anderson the UWE have come to an 'in principle' agreement to build the stadium with a chinese consortium, former director Ed Ware is part of it with a plan to build additional homes at uwe site and on the Mem ground, interesting news which could go either way depending on whether a chinese consortium sees the opportunity to improve a club or build stadium for various revenue streams of which we would be tenants, time will tell i suppose.
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