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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 17:01:17 GMT
Three years ago maybe....and their experience qualified them well for conference and league two. Time has passed so has the level of play. The three that come in would need to have minimum lots of league one and championship (or above) experience.
If the three players above were the answer then we would need to try to wrestle them from other league one clubs...that's not the case they are not playing.
Mansell is on our books mccrystal is still playing every week in the premier league over there for either Lingfield or crusaders not sure which.and easter had a lucrative media job offer so took it and retired. Are you saying that nicholls is more effective playing in the hole than easter or that mansell could not do the job of protecting our sieve of a defence And while we are at it several people suggested to the club that a gamble on Tom eaves could pay dividends Gillingham took it and I think today was his 8th goal of the season
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2017 17:03:28 GMT
Three years ago maybe....and their experience qualified them well for conference and league two. Time has passed so has the level of play. The three that come in would need to have minimum lots of league one and championship (or above) experience.
If the three players above were the answer then we would need to try to wrestle them from other league one clubs...that's not the case they are not playing.
Mansell is on our books mccrystal is still playing every week in the premier league over there for either Lingfield or crusaders not sure which.and easter had a lucrative media job offer so took it and retired. Are you saying that nicholls is more effective playing in the hole than easter or that mansell could not do the job of protecting our sieve of a defence McC's playing in a league where goalies are still playing at 40+, Easter's so good he's quit to become an agents assistant and Mansell has retired, DC/SH need to look to the future not back to the past. Roadman suggested DC's heading in the same direction as PT and he did have a good point as he never replaced Lambo, Elliot & Disley.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 4, 2017 17:09:28 GMT
The Cup brings excitement and big matches if you do well. It's that long ago when we had Lambert and co that we got to the QFs - the atmosphere was brilliant v Southampton and WBA .
It's a shame we have gone out. Also brings a lot of cash to Rovers. I hope we beat Swindon on Wednesday and go far in the Checkatrade !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 18:14:20 GMT
Mansell is on our books mccrystal is still playing every week in the premier league over there for either Lingfield or crusaders not sure which.and easter had a lucrative media job offer so took it and retired. Are you saying that nicholls is more effective playing in the hole than easter or that mansell could not do the job of protecting our sieve of a defence McC's playing in a league where goalies are still playing at 40+, Easter's so good he's quit to become an agents assistant and Mansell has retired, DC/SH need to look to the future not back to the past. Roadman suggested DC's heading in the same direction as PT and he did have a good point as he never replaced Lambo, Elliot & Disley. Possibly so but have we adequately replaced any of those 3 players. Has any of our new signings got the nous that easter had for drawing fouls in dangerous places or holding the ball up. Have we got a midfield general like man sell or a defensive organiser You talk about looking back to the past but isn't that what people are doing when looking back over the success of 2 promotions.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 4, 2017 22:26:04 GMT
Listening to DC after the game, i Got the impression that enough is enough.He is very loyal to his players and i think he desparatley wanted them all to make it at this level,but i think with the notable exception of Ellis too many have failed to adapt and dont seem to be able to carry out what is being asked of them, you can see how disappointed he is ,but i think this was one poor performance to many for him and i believe big changes are in the pipeline and it could be the end of the road for some stalwarts of the last few years.i believe the team is about to undergo some major surgery and i hope FANS are patient during the transition.Also i am in the camp that wonders why on earth some people keep comparing us to the other lot, the culture of the two clubs is very ,very, different and you nail your colors to one or the other accordingly, it is something deep inside you and reflects the way you think about the game and what roll it plays in your life ,i could go on but if it needs explaining then you are not a true fan those true fans will know what i mean.So what if they are on high at moment with a game against Man U RESERVES, but remember it was only last year we had our night in the limelight ,CHELSEA AWAY!,personally i dont give a sh** what they do (excuse the pun)WE ARE WE, AND THEY ARE THEY, as it always was ,and always will be,UP THE ROVERS!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 5, 2017 0:21:44 GMT
Listening to DC after the game, i Got the impression that enough is enough.He is very loyal to his players and i think he desparatley wanted them all to make it at this level,but i think with the notable exception of Ellis too many have failed to adapt and dont seem to be able to carry out what is being asked of them, you can see how disappointed he is ,but i think this was one poor performance to many for him and i believe big changes are in the pipeline and it could be the end of the road for some stalwarts of the last few years.i believe the team is about to undergo some major surgery and i hope FANS are patient during the transition.Also i am in the camp that wonders why on earth some people keep comparing us to the other lot, the culture of the two clubs is very ,very, different and you nail your colors to one or the other accordingly, it is something deep inside you and reflects the way you think about the game and what roll it plays in your life ,i could go on but if it needs explaining then you are not a true fan those true fans will know what i mean.So what if they are on high at moment with a game against Man U RESERVES, but remember it was only last year we had our night in the limelight ,CHELSEA AWAY!,personally i dont give a sh** what they do (excuse the pun)WE ARE WE, AND THEY ARE THEY, as it always was ,and always will be,UP THE ROVERS! Wasn't around half the starting 11 his recent signings though, Smith, Parts, Broadbent, Sercs, Nichols plus his Captain Locks? He's already tried dropping Lines and Brown but had to recall them and Gaffney was apparently our best player.
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Post by yategas78 on Nov 5, 2017 9:40:51 GMT
Let's be honest unless the owners release serious funds (which some would question they have anyway) how can DC make major changes in Janurary we have too many players who are below the required standard which will be painfully obvious come April/May!
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Post by socrates on Nov 5, 2017 10:21:03 GMT
Let's be honest unless the owners release serious funds (which some would question they have anyway) how can DC make major changes in Janurary we have too many players who are below the required standard which will be painfully obvious come April/May! Required standard for what ? We’re closer to play offs than relegation at the moment. If you mean promotion then yes I’ll agree with you we aren’t a top leGue 1 side. If you mean to stay in the division then I think the fact that we’re mid table and have won nearly 50% of our matches this season shows that we should have enough and will probably finish mid table again like we did last season.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 5, 2017 10:31:08 GMT
Let's be honest unless the owners release serious funds (which some would question they have anyway) how can DC make major changes in Janurary we have too many players who are below the required standard which will be painfully obvious come April/May! Required standard for what ? We’re closer to play offs than relegation at the moment. If you mean promotion then yes I’ll agree with you we aren’t a top leGue 1 side. If you mean to stay in the division then I think the fact that we’re mid table and have won nearly 50% of our matches this season shows that we should have enough and will probably finish mid table again like we did last season. Do you want to be watching a struggling Div 1 side, or a competitive Div 1 side ?, I would like the latter, with no worry of relegation, this surely requires some investment from WAQ in January, to make DCs job a lot easier; we really need to stop having to play some of our squad player, who are quite frankly not good enough for Div 1. tbh currently winning less than 50% of our matches, is not a great stat, it does not need to get much worse before we are in the bottom four.
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Post by yategas78 on Nov 5, 2017 10:35:14 GMT
Required standard for what ? We’re closer to play offs than relegation at the moment. If you mean promotion then yes I’ll agree with you we aren’t a top leGue 1 side. If you mean to stay in the division then I think the fact that we’re mid table and have won nearly 50% of our matches this season shows that we should have enough and will probably finish mid table again like we did last season. Do you want to be watching a struggling Div 1 side, or a competitive Div 1 side ?, I would like the latter, with no worry of relegation, this surely requires some investment from WAQ in January, to make DCs job a lot easier; we really need to stop having to play some of our squad player, who are quite frankly not good enough for Div 1. tbh currently winning less than 50% of our matches, is not a great stat, it does not need to get much worse before we are in the bottom four. Very well put sir and exactly what I was trying to say👍
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Post by knowall on Nov 5, 2017 10:39:09 GMT
Let's be honest unless the owners release serious funds (which some would question they have anyway) how can DC make major changes in Janurary we have too many players who are below the required standard which will be painfully obvious come April/May! Disagree entirely - play the best players for several matches and see the difference - we have good players but the inconsistency is driven by too many changes too often
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Post by socrates on Nov 5, 2017 10:59:52 GMT
Required standard for what ? We’re closer to play offs than relegation at the moment. If you mean promotion then yes I’ll agree with you we aren’t a top leGue 1 side. If you mean to stay in the division then I think the fact that we’re mid table and have won nearly 50% of our matches this season shows that we should have enough and will probably finish mid table again like we did last season. Do you want to be watching a struggling Div 1 side, or a competitive Div 1 side ?, I would like the latter, with no worry of relegation, this surely requires some investment from WAQ in January, to make DCs job a lot easier; we really need to stop having to play some of our squad player, who are quite frankly not good enough for Div 1. tbh currently winning less than 50% of our matches, is not a great stat, it does not need to get much worse before we are in the bottom four. Thing is we have been playing our squad players and rotating a lot and we are 4 Pts off the play offs. DC has done the same thing every season, rotate a lot first half , not so much second half and he’s been very successful. Yes we all want more quality in the transfer window but saying that is like saying black is black and white is white. Name a fan in the country who doesn’t want to see more quality brought in to his club. As for saying we only have to get a bit worse and we’ll be in the bottom four how about we only have to improve a bit and we’ll be top six ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 11:45:04 GMT
Do you want to be watching a struggling Div 1 side, or a competitive Div 1 side ?, I would like the latter, with no worry of relegation, this surely requires some investment from WAQ in January, to make DCs job a lot easier; we really need to stop having to play some of our squad player, who are quite frankly not good enough for Div 1. tbh currently winning less than 50% of our matches, is not a great stat, it does not need to get much worse before we are in the bottom four. Thing is we have been playing our squad players and rotating a lot and we are 4 Pts off the play offs. DC has done the same thing every season, rotate a lot first half , not so much second half and he’s been very successful. Yes we all want more quality in the transfer window but saying that is like saying black is black and white is white. Name a fan in the country who doesn’t want to see more quality brought in to his club. As for saying we only have to get a bit worse and we’ll be in the bottom four how about we only have to improve a bit and we’ll be top six ? If you are happy with 5 defeats in the last 6 games you are easily pleased.and this we are only 4 points off the play offs is ridiculous going into the last game of the season we got relegated we were 1 point off safety didn't make a difference then and means nothing now. The club is on the brink of going into free fall and no amount of wishful thinking or historical remembrances will change that. We are unable to do simple defending or take simple chances and until that situation is resolved things will get worse.
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Post by socrates on Nov 5, 2017 11:50:18 GMT
Thing is we have been playing our squad players and rotating a lot and we are 4 Pts off the play offs. DC has done the same thing every season, rotate a lot first half , not so much second half and he’s been very successful. Yes we all want more quality in the transfer window but saying that is like saying black is black and white is white. Name a fan in the country who doesn’t want to see more quality brought in to his club. As for saying we only have to get a bit worse and we’ll be in the bottom four how about we only have to improve a bit and we’ll be top six ? If you are happy with 5 defeats in the last 6 games you are easily pleased.and this we are only 4 points off the play offs is ridiculous going into the last game of the season we got relegated we were 1 point off safety didn't make a difference then and means nothing now. The club is on the brink of going into free fall and no amount of wishful thinking or historical remembrances will change that. We are unable to do simple defending or take simple chances and until that situation is resolved things will get worse. Our form over our last 6 matches in the league shows that we’ve picked up 9 points. If those had been the first 6 games of the season we’d be sitting in 9th. Baring in mind Bodin has been out for most of those I don’t think that’s so bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 12:08:40 GMT
If you are happy with 5 defeats in the last 6 games you are easily pleased.and this we are only 4 points off the play offs is ridiculous going into the last game of the season we got relegated we were 1 point off safety didn't make a difference then and means nothing now. The club is on the brink of going into free fall and no amount of wishful thinking or historical remembrances will change that. We are unable to do simple defending or take simple chances and until that situation is resolved things will get worse. Our form over our last 6 matches in the league shows that we’ve picked up 9 points. If those had been the first 6 games of the season we’d be sitting in 9th. Baring in mind Bodin has been out for most of those I don’t think that’s so bad. All ifs buts and maybes it wasn't and we aren't. As for 9 points from 6 games as we took 3 points from the last one it is 6 points from 5 games and who is brave enough to put money on a win at scunthorpe not many I would imagine
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Post by socrates on Nov 5, 2017 13:39:45 GMT
Our form over our last 6 matches in the league shows that we’ve picked up 9 points. If those had been the first 6 games of the season we’d be sitting in 9th. Baring in mind Bodin has been out for most of those I don’t think that’s so bad. All ifs buts and maybes it wasn't and we aren't. As for 9 points from 6 games as we took 3 points from the last one it is 6 points from 5 games and who is brave enough to put money on a win at scunthorpe not many I would imagine No I think we’ll lose away to Scunthorpe and then win our next home game and we’ll still be mid table.
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Post by socrates on Nov 5, 2017 15:04:43 GMT
All ifs buts and maybes it wasn't and we aren't. As for 9 points from 6 games as we took 3 points from the last one it is 6 points from 5 games and who is brave enough to put money on a win at scunthorpe not many I would imagine No I think we’ll lose away to Scunthorpe and then win our next home game and we’ll still be mid table. And it’s not all ifs and buts is it ? Our form over the last 6 league games is better than our league position.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 16:19:16 GMT
No I think we’ll lose away to Scunthorpe and then win our next home game and we’ll still be mid table. And it’s not all ifs and buts is it ? Our form over the last 6 league games is better than our league position. But our results from the previous games is worse than our current position. What you need to understand is we are where we justify being.it's no good picking on certain aspects to say this that or the other we are were our points put us ...in the bottom half of the table You need to look at things as they really are not living in the past what happened in the last few seasons have no bearing on what we do now or in the future
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Post by socrates on Nov 5, 2017 16:27:27 GMT
And it’s not all ifs and buts is it ? Our form over the last 6 league games is better than our league position. But our results from the previous games is worse than our current position. What you need to understand is we are where we justify being.it's no good picking on certain aspects to say this that or the other we are were our points put us ...in the bottom half of the table You need to look at things as they really are not living in the past what happened in the last few seasons have no bearing on what we do now or in the future I’m talking about this season not any other season. Last 6 league games 3 wins 3 defeats. 9 Pts
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 16:48:53 GMT
But our results from the previous games is worse than our current position. What you need to understand is we are where we justify being.it's no good picking on certain aspects to say this that or the other we are were our points put us ...in the bottom half of the table You need to look at things as they really are not living in the past what happened in the last few seasons have no bearing on what we do now or in the future I’m talking about this season not any other season. Last 6 league games 3 wins 3 defeats. 9 Pts No you were talking about the previous 6 games where we gained more points hence by your logic we should be higher up the league As an aside the old formula for promotion was win your home games and draw away hence average either 3 under the old system or 4 the new points per 2 games. I fail to see how 9 points from 6 games equates with a higher position when 12 is the target
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