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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 11:28:59 GMT
Some posters on here are more credible than others and have a history of providing good information over a long period of time. I've a pretty good recall of that and I also look at who likes certain posts of these posters and of other unreliable ones. It's probably a by product of a barely managed OCD So to the question in hand. It's pretty clear that several posters (including reliable ones) have alluded to board room unrest from the previous incumbents. Posters on here who know ex directors have also provided information that they are unhappy or have concerns. One poster wrote to Steve Hamer who also confirmed that ex employees are making trouble. Just because I don't go in for breaking stories, name dropping or pretending to know more than I do, I do still hear snippets of information from time to time. I don't post this information here because often I am either unable to corroborate it or feel it may not always be the best thing to do. I'm not keeping information to myself I might add. I don't think I can ever recall a time when I've known something that hasn't already been posted on here. What I am able to do is put together a picture in my mind about what is going on based on what is said and who said it. It's not always right, but generally not a million miles away. To me it's nailed on that for whatever reason there is a falling out between some of the old guard and the new owners. The reasons for that are still a little murky. Some would have us believe it's because the AQs have pulled the plug. Others suggest it's because some of the old board are now looking to miss out on a potentially big financial gain from the development of the UWE and redevelopment of the Mem. What is clear and what most of us are in agreement on is how long will the current owners continue to keep us in the dark. All this stuff is having a negative effect on the club and needs to be addressed. Ok, but flipping the script a bit. If Wael came out and said- the family have zero interest in relinquishing control of the football club. The aim is improve all aspect of the football club to a championship standard. Would that suffice? And how long until you’d need reassurances again? Personally I think the owners need to be more specific and set out plans and update us, for example a timescale for the colony, progress on plans for redevelopment of Mem. etc. The world has changed an people expect information in all walks of life.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 16, 2017 11:30:27 GMT
But again. No "facts" were offered. Harry Potter has a great narrative. But it's still about wizards. Can I ask you. Where does your "belief" come from? Some posters on here are more credible than others and have a history of providing good information over a long period of time. I've a pretty good recall of that and I also look at who likes certain posts of these posters and of other unreliable ones. It's probably a by product of a barely managed OCD So to the question in hand. It's pretty clear that several posters (including reliable ones) have alluded to board room unrest from the previous incumbents. Posters on here who know ex directors have also provided information that they are unhappy or have concerns. One poster wrote to Steve Hamer who also confirmed that ex employees are making trouble. Just because I don't go in for breaking stories, name dropping or pretending to know more than I do, I do still hear snippets of information from time to time. I don't post this information here because often I am either unable to corroborate it or feel it may not always be the best thing to do. I'm not keeping information to myself I might add. I don't think I can ever recall a time when I've known something that hasn't already been posted on here. What I am able to do is put together a picture in my mind about what is going on based on what is said and who said it. It's not always right, but generally not a million miles away. To me it's nailed on that for whatever reason there is a falling out between some of the old guard and the new owners. The reasons for that are still a little murky. Some would have us believe it's because the AQs have pulled the plug. Others suggest it's because some of the old board are now looking to miss out on a potentially big financial gain from the development of the UWE and redevelopment of the Mem. What is clear and what most of us are in agreement on is how long will the current owners continue to keep us in the dark. All this stuff is having a negative effect on the club and needs to be addressed. Whilst I can accept EW & NH might want to get involved in running the club again I just can't see why CJ would have any interest when he hardly ever watches the club and I believe doesn't even live in the Bristol area. Regardless ff there is any truth in these rumours why is the UWE's offer any more attractive to the old BoD now than it is the new owners, are they still prepared to allow the UWE to still take a big slice of the annual income, as they apparently were previously, whereas the ALQ's want the club to retain more? This could be more than a power struggle, if its actually happening, it may well be the very future of the club, or at least our future prospects of promotion etc, at stake.
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Post by abbeygas on Nov 16, 2017 12:01:11 GMT
Here we go again! Seat belts on... Guess the question is can we beat 32 pages on this subject? Although to be fair (before it’s pointed out to me anyway ) I did contribute to some of that. To save us all going round in ever decreasing circles (what can we say that ain’t been said already?) may I suggest, that unless and until something concrete (excuse the pun) is announced/happens we all agree that something is likely going on, none of us are sure what and we await events, and leave it there? I would suggest no “official” announcement seems imminent so we are all kind of speculating (guessing really). Might save a lot of angst. Probaby won’t happen though.....
LMFAO, 6 pages of speculation (and counting) later....
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 16, 2017 12:37:20 GMT
Higgsie and all the old names back, no, I do not think so. This drivel is back on the table because nobody from the club wants to speak to the supporters. Where is twentypence when you need him ?, he gets prickly anytime some trys to talk down the **** on his light weight radio show, surely he should man up and call out WAQ. The silence is deafening. Is Hamer still at the club, what the **** has he ever done for BRFC ? 20pence and indeed most journalists with our local media want to enjoy a cosy relationship with the owners and management of local clubs and avoid anything vaguely controversial. They want to be loved and certainly have no interest in investigative journalism or even pressing the difficult questions. I don't think those of us wanting answers will get any help from local jurnalists and I just don't know what will break-down this wall of silence that is frustrating to so many of us. Well the clock is running down on the UWE pp, I assume one or both parties could ask to extend, or amend, it before the January deadline but not sure of the consequences if it does lapse come January, does that mean we would have to then start from scratch getting pp or does it still old some weight given it seems previous pp did at The Colony site?
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 16, 2017 12:41:04 GMT
20pence and indeed most journalists with our local media want to enjoy a cosy relationship with the owners and management of local clubs and avoid anything vaguely controversial. They want to be loved and certainly have no interest in investigative journalism or even pressing the difficult questions. I don't think those of us wanting answers will get any help from local jurnalists and I just don't know what will break-down this wall of silence that is frustrating to so many of us. Well the clock is running down on the UWE pp, I assume one or both parties could ask to extend, or amend, it before the January deadline but not sure of the consequences if it does lapse come January, does that mean we would have to then start from scratch getting pp or does it still old some weight given it seems previous pp did at The Colony site? Topper It all seems like mischief making to me; I personally don't believe these people have more financial clout than an investment banker. I prefer to live in the present than the past or future
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 16, 2017 12:45:55 GMT
20pence and indeed most journalists with our local media want to enjoy a cosy relationship with the owners and management of local clubs and avoid anything vaguely controversial. They want to be loved and certainly have no interest in investigative journalism or even pressing the difficult questions. I don't think those of us wanting answers will get any help from local jurnalists and I just don't know what will break-down this wall of silence that is frustrating to so many of us. Well the clock is running down on the UWE pp, I assume one or both parties could ask to extend, or amend, it before the January deadline but not sure of the consequences if it does lapse come January, does that mean we would have to then start from scratch getting pp or does it still old some weight given it seems previous pp did at The Colony site? They can but will need to resubmit the plans for approval which is what we did for the Colony
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 16, 2017 13:04:52 GMT
Well the clock is running down on the UWE pp, I assume one or both parties could ask to extend, or amend, it before the January deadline but not sure of the consequences if it does lapse come January, does that mean we would have to then start from scratch getting pp or does it still old some weight given it seems previous pp did at The Colony site? Topper It all seems like mischief making to me; I personally don't believe these people have more financial clout than an investment banker. I prefer to live in the present than the past or future Problem is if the UWE are prepared to do a deal with one party and not the other it doesn't matter how much financial clout they have, the fact Wael/SH suggested the UWE kept moving the goalposts and the UWE also suggested they intended continuing with the project does make you wonder if there is another party in the background, or the UWE want to make the ALQ's think that's the case in order to force them into a deal on their terms. What's a mystery is where the UWE/NH & co have suddenly found a Far East investor prepared to build the UWE when they clearly weren't around before the ALQ's bought the club!
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Post by baggins on Nov 16, 2017 13:07:52 GMT
Topper It all seems like mischief making to me; I personally don't believe these people have more financial clout than an investment banker. I prefer to live in the present than the past or future Problem is if the UWE are prepared to do a deal with one party and not the other it doesn't matter how much financial clout they have, the fact Wael/SH suggested the UWE kept moving the goalposts and the UWE also suggested they intended continuing with the project does make you wonder if there is another party in the background, or the UWE want to make the ALQ's think that's the case in order to force them into a deal on their terms. What's a mystery is where the UWE/NH & co have suddenly found a Far East investor prepared to build the UWE when they clearly weren't around before the ALQ's bought the club! The bigger mystery is who's going to play there?
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Post by abbeygas on Nov 16, 2017 13:13:33 GMT
Topper It all seems like mischief making to me; I personally don't believe these people have more financial clout than an investment banker. I prefer to live in the present than the past or future Problem is if the UWE are prepared to do a deal with one party and not the other it doesn't matter how much financial clout they have, the fact Wael/SH suggested the UWE kept moving the goalposts and the UWE also suggested they intended continuing with the project does make you wonder if there is another party in the background, or the UWE want to make the ALQ's think that's the case in order to force them into a deal on their terms. What's a mystery is where the UWE/NH & co have suddenly found a Far East investor prepared to build the UWE when they clearly weren't around before the ALQ's bought the club!
No, what is a mystery is why people actually believe all this bollox is true!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 16, 2017 13:35:39 GMT
Problem is if the UWE are prepared to do a deal with one party and not the other it doesn't matter how much financial clout they have, the fact Wael/SH suggested the UWE kept moving the goalposts and the UWE also suggested they intended continuing with the project does make you wonder if there is another party in the background, or the UWE want to make the ALQ's think that's the case in order to force them into a deal on their terms. What's a mystery is where the UWE/NH & co have suddenly found a Far East investor prepared to build the UWE when they clearly weren't around before the ALQ's bought the club!
No, what is a mystery is why people actually believe all this bollox is true!
I guess you could have said the same when Gasincider broke the ALQ takeover news, although lightning only tends to strike twice in Wycombe.
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Post by abbeygas on Nov 16, 2017 13:53:49 GMT
No, what is a mystery is why people actually believe all this bollox is true!
I guess you could have said the same when Gasincider broke the ALQ takeover news, although lightning only tends to strike twice in Wycombe.
Gasincider didn't break the news of the ALQ takeover though did he. He broke the news of a consortium being interested in buying the club...... after NH had very publicly announced that he was willing to sell the club!
Imagine my surprise when someone took up NH's offer! Not only that Gasincider has been dining out on it ever since!
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Post by madgas on Nov 16, 2017 14:25:53 GMT
Ok, but flipping the script a bit. If Wael came out and said- the family have zero interest in relinquishing control of the football club. The aim is improve all aspect of the football club to a championship standard. Would that suffice? And how long until you’d need reassurances again? If Wael says that then the follow up questions would be ; How much investment is required to achieve that? And where will that investment come from, yourselves, borrowing or other investors? Without that substance the statement is meaningless just like a L2 manager playing away in the cup to Chelsea saying they have come to win the match Agreed to an extent. But the fan unrest is equally without substance. I can get on board with fans that are concerned about the loan. That’ll come down to trust. For me- it’s ok. I’m not against the loan as I have a lot of faith that Wael and family are here for the long run, but I understand the unease concerning the loan. The other truth is that old board undertook a Wonga loan- that equally made us unattractive to investors.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 16, 2017 14:35:53 GMT
Guess the question is can we beat 32 pages on this subject? Although to be fair (before it’s pointed out to me anyway ) I did contribute to some of that. To save us all going round in ever decreasing circles (what can we say that ain’t been said already?) may I suggest, that unless and until something concrete (excuse the pun) is announced/happens we all agree that something is likely going on, none of us are sure what and we await events, and leave it there? I would suggest no “official” announcement seems imminent so we are all kind of speculating (guessing really). Might save a lot of angst. Probaby won’t happen though.....
LMFAO, 6 pages of speculation (and counting) later....
......and we have achieved ??
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 16, 2017 14:37:20 GMT
It’s harsh to say any unrest is without substance. Under the previous regime the club was losing money and increasing its debts to cover losses. It appeared on the brink of collapse and practical insolvency. So far, the new regime has covered more losses by lending the club more money, secured on its main asset. That has extended the life of the business but I don’t believe any new equity has been put in. If the new regime is merely a prudent lender (it may be no more) the time may have come when the secured loan has reached its limit, based on the value of the security.
If that is so, the future is extremely worrying. If not, we await to see the input of some equity capital, or the increase of the loans on an unsecured basis. Either of those would indicate a willingness to commit something beyond a banker’s involvement.
Financing a stadium without borrowing more money would of course change everything.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 16, 2017 15:09:45 GMT
If Wael says that then the follow up questions would be ; How much investment is required to achieve that? And where will that investment come from, yourselves, borrowing or other investors? Without that substance the statement is meaningless just like a L2 manager playing away in the cup to Chelsea saying they have come to win the match Agreed to an extent. But the fan unrest is equally without substance. I can get on board with fans that are concerned about the loan. That’ll come down to trust. For me- it’s ok. I’m not against the loan as I have a lot of faith that Wael and family are here for the long run, but I understand the unease concerning the loan. The other truth is that old board undertook a Wonga loan- that equally made us unattractive to investors. Unrest without substance depends on whether you have faith in Wael, as you do, or whether you are more sceptical. You're argument could equally be turned on it's head and fans faith in Wael is without substance. I'm not going to defend the previous board, as I saw nothing in their actions (which is wholly different to their intentions) to move the club forward. However their actions didn't make us unattractive to Wael & Co (probably quite the opposite), though the question remains are Wael & Co investors? Or at least how much are they willing to invest.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 16, 2017 15:53:06 GMT
I guess you could have said the same when Gasincider broke the ALQ takeover news, although lightning only tends to strike twice in Wycombe.
Gasincider didn't break the news of the ALQ takeover though did he. He broke the news of a consortium being interested in buying the club...... after NH had very publicly announced that he was willing to sell the club!
Imagine my surprise when someone took up NH's offer! Not only that Gasincider has been dining out on it ever since!
To be fair to him he did break the news the evening before the press announcement, even if he had backed the wrong horse for months beforehand!
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Post by madgas on Nov 16, 2017 18:01:21 GMT
Agreed to an extent. But the fan unrest is equally without substance. I can get on board with fans that are concerned about the loan. That’ll come down to trust. For me- it’s ok. I’m not against the loan as I have a lot of faith that Wael and family are here for the long run, but I understand the unease concerning the loan. The other truth is that old board undertook a Wonga loan- that equally made us unattractive to investors. Unrest without substance depends on whether you have faith in Wael, as you do, or whether you are more sceptical. You're argument could equally be turned on it's head and fans faith in Wael is without substance. I'm not going to defend the previous board, as I saw nothing in their actions (which is wholly different to their intentions) to move the club forward. However their actions didn't make us unattractive to Wael & Co (probably quite the opposite), though the question remains are Wael & Co investors? Or at least how much are they willing to invest. I agree. But as I've said before. I've seen: - fees paid for players. - training ground plans. - stadium plans. - stadium titivation - better football - contactless payments - employment of key staff to take the club forward. - turn down fees - comments from DC directly saying the board are improving things. all small things but together add up to IMO stronger evidence than hearsay from unnamed sources that the Al-qadis are serious about this club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 18:16:41 GMT
Unrest without substance depends on whether you have faith in Wael, as you do, or whether you are more sceptical. You're argument could equally be turned on it's head and fans faith in Wael is without substance. I'm not going to defend the previous board, as I saw nothing in their actions (which is wholly different to their intentions) to move the club forward. However their actions didn't make us unattractive to Wael & Co (probably quite the opposite), though the question remains are Wael & Co investors? Or at least how much are they willing to invest. I agree. But as I've said before. I've seen: - fees paid for players. - training ground plans. - stadium plans. - stadium titivation - better football - contactless payments - employment of key staff to take the club forward. - turn down fees - comments from DC directly saying the board are improving things. all small things but together add up to IMO stronger evidence than hearsay from unnamed sources that the Al-qadis are serious about this club.
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 16, 2017 18:24:16 GMT
Unrest without substance depends on whether you have faith in Wael, as you do, or whether you are more sceptical. You're argument could equally be turned on it's head and fans faith in Wael is without substance. I'm not going to defend the previous board, as I saw nothing in their actions (which is wholly different to their intentions) to move the club forward. However their actions didn't make us unattractive to Wael & Co (probably quite the opposite), though the question remains are Wael & Co investors? Or at least how much are they willing to invest. I agree. But as I've said before. I've seen: - fees paid for players. - training ground plans. - stadium plans. - stadium titivation - better football - contactless payments - employment of key staff to take the club forward. - turn down fees - comments from DC directly saying the board are improving things. all small things but together add up to IMO stronger evidence than hearsay from unnamed sources that the Al-qadis are serious about this club. Wow, have you really seen the Stadium plans?
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Post by inee on Nov 16, 2017 18:46:15 GMT
To be brutally honest if i owned the club and read stuff like this, i would go silent as well. lets face it anything the club says gets poo pooed on the forums ,tis deja vue almost as if the old board were still here ,with the amount of posts in the negative.
yers a phone number to ring as it appears lots of people seem to have lost touch with their faculties 116 123 (this number is free to call) the Samaritans will listen and hopefully restore some sanity
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