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Post by Feeling The Blues on Dec 3, 2017 16:31:35 GMT
We clearly do have a cash flow problem because 2 suppliers have 60+ day invoices which are now having to be paid by installments to one business and one business who isn’t a rovers fan, has no axe to grind and just wants to be paid what is owed has no reason to lie. But that isn’t what’s being discussed. Wael is damned either way because all we are being fed is odd snipets of plans to tart up things which make no logical sense in doing because we have no greater plan. And the talk of it takes time is a total nonsense when consultations and plans can be done in a matter of weeks if you are actually serious about doing something. I’m a businessman myself, may not be on the scale of the ALQs but I have plans to expand my business, some small and some large and one is a relocation, rebuild and investment. It took me all of a month to know exactly what I needed to do and how much I needed to invest using capable outside parties. The biggest hold up was planning and usage from the council. Because of this I am not going to waste money and time fiddling around with my current premises. There is no point and serves no purpose. My point being that the planning and usage stage with the councils and local nimbys is the bit the takes the longest, have we learned nothing from the past? So why not crack on and get it sorted, get the vision planned and executed and then we can all buy in to the future under the ALQs. All we have had so far is the UWE project removed and a tarted up set of toilets in its place. And we still don’t have the reasons why the UWE was a bad deal. Am I the only one seeing this? With every move so far we have more questions to ask rather than answers given. Have you thought that the decisions you make about your business is the reason you are not on the scale of the Al-Qadis? Being the mouthpiece for others does you no favours. You should realize from the comments on this thread that no-one appreciated being on the verge of extinction which is where the previous Board took us and only masochists would want them anywhere near the Boardroom again. Condescending superior nonsense. As usual.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 16:32:57 GMT
Doesn't sound as though you have too much time left to GROW UP!!! You sound like a very bitter old man. If you are referring to me I would like to know what is bitter about wanting so-called supporters to rally behind our football club rather than continually carping and running us down in public. Take no notice Knowall. Blueridge is another newbie on here, slagging a poster off on only his fourth ever post. Mods please note! Any thoughts on yesterdays game Blueridge, where do you watch games from?
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Post by knowall on Dec 3, 2017 17:00:45 GMT
If you are referring to me I would like to know what is bitter about wanting so-called supporters to rally behind our football club rather than continually carping and running us down in public. Take no notice Knowall. Blueridge is another newbie on here, slagging a poster off on only his fourth ever post. Mods please note! Any thoughts on yesterdays game Blueridge, where do you watch games from? Thankyou bidefordgas, but I do take notice because being one of a small group who worked with the Dunfords family in the 1980s to stop the Club going out of existence and seeing us back in peril just a couple of years ago, I know that it is the people who help and support and not the people who criticise that will ensure that our Club will continue. The Al-Qadi family like the Dunfords have currently ensured that Bristol Rovers continue to exist and everybody who seriously wants the Club to survive into the future should rally around them and give whatever they can to help. Carping is easy (and cowardly)
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Post by blueridge on Dec 3, 2017 17:05:42 GMT
If you are referring to me I would like to know what is bitter about wanting so-called supporters to rally behind our football club rather than continually carping and running us down in public. Take no notice Knowall. Blueridge is another newbie on here, slagging a poster off on only his fourth ever post. Mods please note! Any thoughts on yesterdays game Blueridge, where do you watch games from? Season ticket holder for many, many years. I probably know more about Bristol Rovers than you will will ever dream about. You are making a rather naive assumption that I have only made 4 postings on here!! Yesterdays game: a boring lack lustre first half - came alive after Rotherham scored - a fully deserved victory in the end. EH IMO easily MoM closely followed By DL who probably had his best game for Rovers this season. DC fully appreciative of the ovation he received before and after the match. Disappointing attendance - 1k down on average - but understandable. If you want a fuller version read what SteveK has to say. Whilst "Knowall" is ever ready to attack any poster (in bold very often) and can become quite personal and aggressive (despite warnings from mods) to any one who 'attacks' the board - can on occasions expect something back. Knowall is quite capable of looking after himself btw.
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Post by xplosivgas on Dec 3, 2017 17:34:00 GMT
Take no notice Knowall. Blueridge is another newbie on here, slagging a poster off on only his fourth ever post. Mods please note! Any thoughts on yesterdays game Blueridge, where do you watch games from? Thankyou bidefordgas, but I do take notice because being one of a small group who worked with the Dunfords family in the 1980s to stop the Club going out of existence and seeing us back in peril just a couple of years ago, I know that it is the people who help and support and not the people who criticise that will ensure that our Club will continue. The Al-Qadi family like the Dunfords have currently ensured that Bristol Rovers continue to exist and everybody who seriously wants the Club to survive into the future should rally around them and give whatever they can to help. Carping is easy (and cowardly) By all accounts they bought the club at a bargain price. It's unlikely they paid more than the Mem land is worth. I expect they thought it was a no lose situation. It's probably too early to know for sure if the owners will end up being saints or sinners. But based on their record to-date, I'm feeling pessimistic about our short and long term future. I can't see Hani and co. being prepared to inject money from their own wallets into the club, and to write off much or any of it. I just hope once they've had enough we're still left with ownership of our own ground.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 3, 2017 17:48:45 GMT
Thankyou bidefordgas, but I do take notice because being one of a small group who worked with the Dunfords family in the 1980s to stop the Club going out of existence and seeing us back in peril just a couple of years ago, I know that it is the people who help and support and not the people who criticise that will ensure that our Club will continue. The Al-Qadi family like the Dunfords have currently ensured that Bristol Rovers continue to exist and everybody who seriously wants the Club to survive into the future should rally around them and give whatever they can to help. Carping is easy (and cowardly) By all accounts they bought the club at a bargain price. It's unlikely they paid more than the Mem land is worth. I expect they thought it was a no lose situation. It's probably too early to know for sure if the owners will end up being saints or sinners. But based on their record to-date, I'm feeling pessimistic about our short and long term future. I can't see Hani and co. being prepared to inject money from their own wallets into the club, and to write off much or any of it. I just hope once they've had enough we're still left with ownership of our own ground. Or the middle ground and The Al-Qadis could sell 1883ltd but any new owners will have to pay off the debt/loan perhaps over a period of time, just as the Al-Qadis have done with Wonga and the ex directors. Just the debt will be larger
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 18:43:40 GMT
Take no notice Knowall. Blueridge is another newbie on here, slagging a poster off on only his fourth ever post. Mods please note! Any thoughts on yesterdays game Blueridge, where do you watch games from? Season ticket holder for many, many years. I probably know more about Bristol Rovers than you will will ever dream about. You are making a rather nieve assumption that I have only made 4 postings on here!! Yesterdays game: a boring lack lustre first half - came alive after Rotherham scored - a fully deserved victory in the end. EH IMO easily MoM closely followed By DL who probably had his best game for Rovers this season. DC fully appreciative of the ovation he received before and after the match. Disappointing attendance - 1k down on average - but understandable. If you want a fuller version read what SteveK has to say. Whilst "Knowall" is ever ready to attack any poster (in bold very often) and can become quite personal and aggressive (despite warnings from mods) to any one who 'attacks' the board - can on occasions expect something back. Knowall is quite capable of looking after himself btw. Rovers supporters from the age of seven. Now well past my sixtieth anniversary of watching the gas and a season ticket holder for many many years. Your assumption as regards your superior knowledge of all things Rovers is not worth further comment. As regards my naivity. What were your previous forum user names?
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 3, 2017 18:47:32 GMT
Season ticket holder for many, many years. I probably know more about Bristol Rovers than you will will ever dream about. You are making a rather nieve assumption that I have only made 4 postings on here!! Yesterdays game: a boring lack lustre first half - came alive after Rotherham scored - a fully deserved victory in the end. EH IMO easily MoM closely followed By DL who probably had his best game for Rovers this season. DC fully appreciative of the ovation he received before and after the match. Disappointing attendance - 1k down on average - but understandable. If you want a fuller version read what SteveK has to say. Whilst "Knowall" is ever ready to attack any poster (in bold very often) and can become quite personal and aggressive (despite warnings from mods) to any one who 'attacks' the board - can on occasions expect something back. Knowall is quite capable of looking after himself btw. Rovers supporters from the age of seven. Now well past my sixtieth anniversary of watching the gas and a season ticket holder for many many years. Your assumption as regards your superior knowledge of all things Rovers is not worth further comment. As regards my naievity. What were your previous forum user names? Leeds kitchen fitters then bs5!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 18:50:03 GMT
Rovers supporters from the age of seven. Now well past my sixtieth anniversary of watching the gas and a season ticket holder for many many years. Your assumption as regards your superior knowledge of all things Rovers is not worth further comment. As regards my naievity. What were your previous forum user names? Leeds kitchen fitters then bs5! That just about sums him up!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 3, 2017 18:53:20 GMT
Rovers supporters from the age of seven. Now well past my sixtieth anniversary of watching the gas and a season ticket holder for many many years. Your assumption as regards your superior knowledge of all things Rovers is not worth further comment. As regards my naievity. What were your previous forum user names? Leeds kitchen fitters then bs5! Actually that might be a good spot....
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Post by knowall on Dec 3, 2017 18:55:59 GMT
Take no notice Knowall. Blueridge is another newbie on here, slagging a poster off on only his fourth ever post. Mods please note! Any thoughts on yesterdays game Blueridge, where do you watch games from? Season ticket holder for many, many years. I probably know more about Bristol Rovers than you will will ever dream about. You are making a rather nieve assumption that I have only made 4 postings on here!! Yesterdays game: a boring lack lustre first half - came alive after Rotherham scored - a fully deserved victory in the end. EH IMO easily MoM closely followed By DL who probably had his best game for Rovers this season. DC fully appreciative of the ovation he received before and after the match. Disappointing attendance - 1k down on average - but understandable. If you want a fuller version read what SteveK has to say. Whilst "Knowall" is ever ready to attack any poster (in bold very often) and can become quite personal and aggressive (despite warnings from mods) to any one who 'attacks' the board - can on occasions expect something back. Knowall is quite capable of looking after himself btw. Yes, blueridge - I am capable of looking after myself, but I do appreciate genuine supporters like bidefordgas. Please note I only highlight (in bold) certain quotes by posters to illustrate what I am commenting on (I thought this was helpful?) As for your knowledge on Rovers and knowing more than bidefordgas maybe my 50 years continual season ticket ownership trumps you? not that I consider that any sort of achievement and I do not attack 'any poster' but I am not afraid to admit I am on the side of the owners - whoever they are when in office - Dunfords - Higgs - Al-Qadi - because they deserve our support and admiration not least for their time and commitment. What I do object to (have a 'thing' about if you like) are so-called supporters who have little or no real knowledge of what it is like to have the responsibility to thousands of fans and hundreds of staff in running a football club but who comment so strongly and say what should be done without proper consideration. It is so easy to do someone else's job when you don't have to!
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 19:28:43 GMT
We clearly do have a cash flow problem because 2 suppliers have 60+ day invoices which are now having to be paid by installments to one business and one business who isn’t a rovers fan, has no axe to grind and just wants to be paid what is owed has no reason to lie. But that isn’t what’s being discussed. Wael is damned either way because all we are being fed is odd snipets of plans to tart up things which make no logical sense in doing because we have no greater plan. And the talk of it takes time is a total nonsense when consultations and plans can be done in a matter of weeks if you are actually serious about doing something. I’m a businessman myself, may not be on the scale of the ALQs but I have plans to expand my business, some small and some large and one is a relocation, rebuild and investment. It took me all of a month to know exactly what I needed to do and how much I needed to invest using capable outside parties. The biggest hold up was planning and usage from the council. Because of this I am not going to waste money and time fiddling around with my current premises. There is no point and serves no purpose. My point being that the planning and usage stage with the councils and local nimbys is the bit the takes the longest, have we learned nothing from the past? So why not crack on and get it sorted, get the vision planned and executed and then we can all buy in to the future under the ALQs. All we have had so far is the UWE project removed and a tarted up set of toilets in its place. And we still don’t have the reasons why the UWE was a bad deal. Am I the only one seeing this? With every move so far we have more questions to ask rather than answers given. When you decided to expand your current business ( well done BTW on your success so far ), did you explain to the world and his wife what your plans are before you went down the discovery route or did you do the planning first and then told the world ?. Maybe DS are exploring all options before they announce their plans to the world and his wife ? I mentioned it to some people yes, but my business doesn’t garner an investment from 10k odd other people every week. So you can’t compare it the same way. It doesn’t matter if my business goes bust. My customers will simply find another business to service their requirements. As long as I continue to be one of the best in my field I have a fair crack of being successful. With a football club people pay week in and week out to come and watch. It’s a community. As such, you can’t treat the people that give you a platform of income with contempt or think we are all stupid when some things are as obvious as a pimple on your nose. BRFC is not much of a business in its current format either because it makes a loss. But with Some strategic thinking it could be a shrewd and profitable investment, which is what the ALQs are in it for. But the more time they waste the more Hani will see it as a money pit and not bother.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 19:36:53 GMT
Season ticket holder for many, many years. I probably know more about Bristol Rovers than you will will ever dream about. You are making a rather nieve assumption that I have only made 4 postings on here!! Yesterdays game: a boring lack lustre first half - came alive after Rotherham scored - a fully deserved victory in the end. EH IMO easily MoM closely followed By DL who probably had his best game for Rovers this season. DC fully appreciative of the ovation he received before and after the match. Disappointing attendance - 1k down on average - but understandable. If you want a fuller version read what SteveK has to say. Whilst "Knowall" is ever ready to attack any poster (in bold very often) and can become quite personal and aggressive (despite warnings from mods) to any one who 'attacks' the board - can on occasions expect something back. Knowall is quite capable of looking after himself btw. Yes, blueridge - I am capable of looking after myself, but I do appreciate genuine supporters like bidefordgas. Please note I only highlight (in bold) certain quotes by posters to illustrate what I am commenting on (I thought this was helpful?) As for your knowledge on Rovers and knowing more than bidefordgas maybe my 50 years continual season ticket ownership trumps you? not that I consider that any sort of achievement and I do not attack 'any poster' but I am not afraid to admit I am on the side of the owners - whoever they are when in office - Dunfords - Higgs - Al-Qadi - because they deserve our support and admiration not least for their time and commitment. What I do object to (have a 'thing' about if you like) are so-called supporters who have little or no real knowledge of what it is like to have the responsibility to thousands of fans and hundreds of staff in running a football club but who comment so strongly and say what should be done without proper consideration. It is so easy to do someone else's job when you don't have to! And therein lies the exact thing that made the old BRFC work. Dunfords were gasheads and accepted help from other gasheads to help. And let’s not forget, SH is probably on a nice salary to represent the ALQs and run the club, he won’t be doing it for free like the Dunfords were. I’m not saying I have superior knowledge or all the answers but I can see when things don’t stack up and I’m not afraid to stick my hand up and ask questions. Especially of the back of terrible interviews from members of the board and also what appears to be discontent from the manager.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 3, 2017 19:37:43 GMT
Season ticket holder for many, many years. I probably know more about Bristol Rovers than you will will ever dream about. You are making a rather nieve assumption that I have only made 4 postings on here!! Yesterdays game: a boring lack lustre first half - came alive after Rotherham scored - a fully deserved victory in the end. EH IMO easily MoM closely followed By DL who probably had his best game for Rovers this season. DC fully appreciative of the ovation he received before and after the match. Disappointing attendance - 1k down on average - but understandable. If you want a fuller version read what SteveK has to say. Whilst "Knowall" is ever ready to attack any poster (in bold very often) and can become quite personal and aggressive (despite warnings from mods) to any one who 'attacks' the board - can on occasions expect something back. Knowall is quite capable of looking after himself btw. Yes, blueridge - I am capable of looking after myself, but I do appreciate genuine supporters like bidefordgas. Please note I only highlight (in bold) certain quotes by posters to illustrate what I am commenting on (I thought this was helpful?) As for your knowledge on Rovers and knowing more than bidefordgas maybe my 50 years continual season ticket ownership trumps you? not that I consider that any sort of achievement and I do not attack 'any poster' but I am not afraid to admit I am on the side of the owners - whoever they are when in office - Dunfords - Higgs - Al-Qadi - because they deserve our support and admiration not least for their time and commitment. What I do object to (have a 'thing' about if you like) are so-called supporters who have little or no real knowledge of what it is like to have the responsibility to thousands of fans and hundreds of staff in running a football club but who comment so strongly and say what should be done without proper consideration. It is so easy to do someone else's job when you don't have to! Knowall - in some respects you do "trump" me - fair play. However I was a junior Supporters Club member back in 1956 (the little blue & white book) and a junior season ticket member just afterwards until it lapsed during my playing days up until 1978. That is neither here nor there. I am a committed Bristol Rovers supporter - following my days I became a good friend and 'rival' with Roy Dolling and Ron Sims who ran, effectively the 'Academy' sides of the day - I worked briefly with Terry Cooper doing some scouting work during that particularly era whilst we had the Hambrook Training Ground. I have followed Bristol Rovers religiously ever since and will not even refer to them as 'The Gas' - sad I know but that's how I feel. i feel very uncomfortable with what is going on at the moment and unfortunately we will have to disagree - I know you worked very hard with GD and co and respect you for that. Perhaps we should just ignore one another's posts in future,
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 19:43:09 GMT
I also think it would be really strange to have plans without the intention of doing anything for 5 years? Essentially, that is not a plan. Because in 5 years it can easily all change. If you want to raise capital investment for a project you need to have the project planned, architected and a viability study completed together with the income streams from the business plan solidified before you can even entertain the possibility of asking someone to open their chequebook.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2017 20:10:15 GMT
I also think it would be really strange to have plans without the intention of doing anything for 5 years? Essentially, that is not a plan. Because in 5 years it can easily all change. If you want to raise capital investment for a project you need to have the project planned, architected and a viability study completed together with the income streams from the business plan solidified before you can even entertain the possibility of asking someone to open their chequebook. But you and your mate Ian Holtby are seemingly demanding the ALQ's divulge their complete plans for the UWE now, or failing which sell up to an ex Director who sat on the BoD which very nearly destroyed the club in the not to distant past.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 20:28:01 GMT
If you want to raise capital investment for a project you need to have the project planned, architected and a viability study completed together with the income streams from the business plan solidified before you can even entertain the possibility of asking someone to open their chequebook. But you and your mate Ian Holtby are seemingly demanding the ALQ's divulge their complete plans for the UWE now, or failing which sell up to an ex Director who sat on the BoD which very nearly destroyed the club in the not to distant past. Ian Holtby isn’t a mate of mine. Just someone I know at the club who I have dealt with in the past when it comes to sponsorship and still speak to when i bump into him at games. I’m not demanding anything. I’m pointing out that the ALQs have no plan for the Mem redevelopment and if they don’t get a wriggle on it will be another 10 years before we get anything to resemble a new stadium. But instead they are mucking about decorating toilets and putting the club shop in a shed/portacabin/container. Which is a pointless exercise if you have plans to level the place. If they want to evolve and to raise outside cap ex to do so they need a long term vision and plan so whoever invests, invests in the club not just the building. It will inspire confidence not just to the investors but the supporters as well. I don’t care who is in charge as long as the club goes forward.
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Post by swissgas on Dec 3, 2017 20:45:29 GMT
I also think it would be really strange to have plans without the intention of doing anything for 5 years? Essentially, that is not a plan. Because in 5 years it can easily all change. If you want to raise capital investment for a project you need to have the project planned, architected and a viability study completed together with the income streams from the business plan solidified before you can even entertain the possibility of asking someone to open their chequebook. But you only know this because you had the guts to start a business and you have managed to build it successfully over the past nine years. You know that when you take that step everything changes and your responsibilities no longer just encompass your immediate family but you now have obligations to employees, other shareholders, customers, suppliers, financiers, landlords, government agencies and the local community as well. And when you have all these responsibilities you have to perform at your very best every day to make sure your business is a success. The problem is that only a very few people on a football forum will understand this and so opening up about your own situation is fraught with peril as I found out to my cost many years ago. The disappointment with Wael's interview yesterday was that he had not bothered to prepare himself. He knew that Gasheads would be hanging on his every word and yet it was the same old story with nothing to inspire us. If he won't make an effort to inspire the fans he professes to "love" how is he coming across to the project managers or the planning authorities or the outside investors he has talked about in the past ? He went to Westminster School, Boston University and Harvard Business School but did these organizations really put up with the standard of presentation we witnessed yesterday ? What about the customers, shareholders and other partners of the bank of which he is said to be an executive ? Do they readily accept lack of preparation and waffle ? If we want to help Wael make a success of Rovers I think we need to send him a wake up call to start performing at the level we should be able to expect from someone with his CV.
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Post by madgas on Dec 3, 2017 22:44:49 GMT
I also think it would be really strange to have plans without the intention of doing anything for 5 years? Essentially, that is not a plan. Because in 5 years it can easily all change. If you want to raise capital investment for a project you need to have the project planned, architected and a viability study completed together with the income streams from the business plan solidified before you can even entertain the possibility of asking someone to open their chequebook. Neither were our previous stadium designs or Ashton Gate entertained this way.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 22:49:41 GMT
You’re spot on Swiss!
It’s not what about what I have built though because it doesn’t make me any more qualified than the next gashead. But all I am pointing out is the lack of cohesion across the board room, the lack of communication, the lack of planning and vision together with the club manager saying all is not well.
But don’t worry we can pee in comfort as a caveat. It is typical rag bag rovers.
Thing is, by putting a plan together and with a little more dialogue with the people that matter we could unite the club a little more and be positive. Some posters here think I am trying to cause divisions, but facts are that the board and chairman are managing to do that all by themselves. I’m just pointing it out!
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