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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2017 11:17:30 GMT
Did Wael announce the building of a new East Stand ? No, so some people are getting overly-excited again. No, but overtures to moving the club shop is a suggestion that would be the first side that would be done, or why bother? Tarting up the toilets in 2 stands can only mean the north and south stands. Why bother if you have plans to level them? Damned if he does damned if he doesn't, if Wael said yesterday he had a 5 year plan and in the meantime zero work would take place at the Mem, you'd be here questioning why we couldn't tart up the Mem in the meantime. You were posting a couple of weeks ago we had severe cashflow problems and gave the impression we were going bust (and most likely back to Div 2). That's clearly not the case so unless EW stops talking and actually comes up with a plan to buy out the ALQ's I'll accept what's being offered as at least I can watch Div 1 football, not Conference football the previous BoD forced us to suffer in the past.
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Post by geddongas on Dec 3, 2017 12:10:49 GMT
Did Wael announce the building of a new East Stand ? No, so some people are getting overly-excited again. He didn't, but it's not being overly excited to suggest a reasoning for what might happen. Obviously it is conjecture, there is no way to know for sure, but to me it seems based on the footprint of the land the Mem is on and if we are definitely going to be staying there. Any meaningful expansion on any side would probably require shuffling the pitch either 90 degrees or to the east, so the east stand which occupies the dead centre of the land (including car park) would, by reasonable judgement, be the problematic one. Just trying to make sense of one of the many reasons Al-Qadi is probably pulling his hair out over these planning stages, and hence is reluctant to give concrete promises.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 12:26:23 GMT
No, but overtures to moving the club shop is a suggestion that would be the first side that would be done, or why bother? Tarting up the toilets in 2 stands can only mean the north and south stands. Why bother if you have plans to level them? Damned if he does damned if he doesn't, if Wael said yesterday he had a 5 year plan and in the meantime zero work would take place at the Mem, you'd be here questioning why we couldn't tart up the Mem in the meantime. You were posting a couple of weeks ago we had severe cashflow problems and gave the impression we were going bust (and most likely back to Div 2). That's clearly not the case so unless EW stops talking and actually comes up with a plan to buy out the ALQ's I'll accept what's being offered as at least I can watch Div 1 football, not Conference football the previous BoD forced us to suffer in the past. We clearly do have a cash flow problem because 2 suppliers have 60+ day invoices which are now having to be paid by installments to one business and one business who isn’t a rovers fan, has no axe to grind and just wants to be paid what is owed has no reason to lie. But that isn’t what’s being discussed. Wael is damned either way because all we are being fed is odd snipets of plans to tart up things which make no logical sense in doing because we have no greater plan. And the talk of it takes time is a total nonsense when consultations and plans can be done in a matter of weeks if you are actually serious about doing something. I’m a businessman myself, may not be on the scale of the ALQs but I have plans to expand my business, some small and some large and one is a relocation, rebuild and investment. It took me all of a month to know exactly what I needed to do and how much I needed to invest using capable outside parties. The biggest hold up was planning and usage from the council. Because of this I am not going to waste money and time fiddling around with my current premises. There is no point and serves no purpose. My point being that the planning and usage stage with the councils and local nimbys is the bit the takes the longest, have we learned nothing from the past? So why not crack on and get it sorted, get the vision planned and executed and then we can all buy in to the future under the ALQs. All we have had so far is the UWE project removed and a tarted up set of toilets in its place. And we still don’t have the reasons why the UWE was a bad deal. Am I the only one seeing this? With every move so far we have more questions to ask rather than answers given.
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Post by knowall on Dec 3, 2017 12:47:09 GMT
Damned if he does damned if he doesn't, if Wael said yesterday he had a 5 year plan and in the meantime zero work would take place at the Mem, you'd be here questioning why we couldn't tart up the Mem in the meantime. You were posting a couple of weeks ago we had severe cashflow problems and gave the impression we were going bust (and most likely back to Div 2). That's clearly not the case so unless EW stops talking and actually comes up with a plan to buy out the ALQ's I'll accept what's being offered as at least I can watch Div 1 football, not Conference football the previous BoD forced us to suffer in the past. We clearly do have a cash flow problem because 2 suppliers have 60+ day invoices which are now having to be paid by installments to one business and one business who isn’t a rovers fan, has no axe to grind and just wants to be paid what is owed has no reason to lie. But that isn’t what’s being discussed. Wael is damned either way because all we are being fed is odd snipets of plans to tart up things which make no logical sense in doing because we have no greater plan. And the talk of it takes time is a total nonsense when consultations and plans can be done in a matter of weeks if you are actually serious about doing something. I’m a businessman myself, may not be on the scale of the ALQs but I have plans to expand my business, some small and some large and one is a relocation, rebuild and investment. It took me all of a month to know exactly what I needed to do and how much I needed to invest using capable outside parties. The biggest hold up was planning and usage from the council. Because of this I am not going to waste money and time fiddling around with my current premises. There is no point and serves no purpose. My point being that the planning and usage stage with the councils and local nimbys is the bit the takes the longest, have we learned nothing from the past? So why not crack on and get it sorted, get the vision planned and executed and then we can all buy in to the future under the ALQs. All we have had so far is the UWE project removed and a tarted up set of toilets in its place. And we still don’t have the reasons why the UWE was a bad deal. Am I the only one seeing this? With every move so far we have more questions to ask rather than answers given. Have you thought that the decisions you make about your business is the reason you are not on the scale of the Al-Qadis? Being the mouthpiece for others does you no favours. You should realize from the comments on this thread that no-one appreciated being on the verge of extinction which is where the previous Board took us and only masochists would want them anywhere near the Boardroom again.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 13:09:40 GMT
We clearly do have a cash flow problem because 2 suppliers have 60+ day invoices which are now having to be paid by installments to one business and one business who isn’t a rovers fan, has no axe to grind and just wants to be paid what is owed has no reason to lie. But that isn’t what’s being discussed. Wael is damned either way because all we are being fed is odd snipets of plans to tart up things which make no logical sense in doing because we have no greater plan. And the talk of it takes time is a total nonsense when consultations and plans can be done in a matter of weeks if you are actually serious about doing something. I’m a businessman myself, may not be on the scale of the ALQs but I have plans to expand my business, some small and some large and one is a relocation, rebuild and investment. It took me all of a month to know exactly what I needed to do and how much I needed to invest using capable outside parties. The biggest hold up was planning and usage from the council. Because of this I am not going to waste money and time fiddling around with my current premises. There is no point and serves no purpose. My point being that the planning and usage stage with the councils and local nimbys is the bit the takes the longest, have we learned nothing from the past? So why not crack on and get it sorted, get the vision planned and executed and then we can all buy in to the future under the ALQs. All we have had so far is the UWE project removed and a tarted up set of toilets in its place. And we still don’t have the reasons why the UWE was a bad deal. Am I the only one seeing this? With every move so far we have more questions to ask rather than answers given. Have you thought that the decisions you make about your business is the reason you are not on the scale of the Al-Qadis? Being the mouthpiece for others does you no favours. You should realize from the comments on this thread that no-one appreciated being on the verge of extinction which is where the previous Board took us and only masochists would want them anywhere near the Boardroom again. I’ve been in business only 9 years and started it with a £25k bank loan in the middle of a recession and now I am debt free with a £1m turnover and a 8% bottom line return and employ people, I don’t think I’m doing too badly and I know how to run a business and grow it and I’m only 36 so have time on my side. WAQ is is an employee of his brother who took over from his old man. WAQ just gets pocket money to spend when Hani says so. Which is why Hamer deals with Hani for the money. Fact. You speak like I want a return to the halcyon days under Higgs. I don’t. I honestly don’t. What I want is for the club to move forward and be successful. If I didn’t I wouldn’t have put money of my own into Rovers over the last 3 1/2 years to support them through sponsorship as well as my match day tickets. I want the ALQs to have a vision and a plan to drive us forward. To honest and open. It isn’t Chelsea. It’s a community football club. What we have had so far is a closed shop with a puppet on a string in Hamer, had the only real hope for a future removed with a don’t worry, we’ll tart up the bogs instead thrown on top. Forgive me, but that isn’t vision. And like I said, time is something we can use wisely or waste. And at the moment it will be 10 years before we have anything that resembles a complete stadium. And that’s a minimum. And Knowall, if you do know so much, why don’t you add something useful as you always boast that you are so close to all the boards of directors both past and current. Or challenge my post and say actually if we plan this way we could have it viably done in 5 years.
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Post by knowall on Dec 3, 2017 13:31:58 GMT
Have you thought that the decisions you make about your business is the reason you are not on the scale of the Al-Qadis? Being the mouthpiece for others does you no favours. You should realize from the comments on this thread that no-one appreciated being on the verge of extinction which is where the previous Board took us and only masochists would want them anywhere near the Boardroom again. I’ve been in business only 9 years and started it with a £25k bank loan in the middle of a recession and now I am debt free with a £1m turnover and a 8% bottom line return and employ people, I don’t think I’m doing too badly and I know how to run a business and grow it and I’m only 36 so have time on my side. WAQ is is an employee of his brother who took over from his old man. WAQ just gets pocket money to spend when Hani says so. Which is why Hamer deals with Hani for the money. Fact. You speak like I want a return to the halcyon days under Higgs. I don’t. I honestly don’t. What I want is for the club to move forward and be successful. If I didn’t I wouldn’t have put money of my own into Rovers over the last 3 1/2 years to support them through sponsorship as well as my match day tickets. I want the ALQs to have a vision and a plan to drive us forward. To honest and open. It isn’t Chelsea. It’s a community football club. What we have had so far is a closed shop with a puppet on a string in Hamer, had the only real hope for a future removed with a don’t worry, we’ll tart up the bogs instead thrown on top. Forgive me, but that isn’t vision. And like I said, time is something we can use wisely or waste. And at the moment it will be 10 years before we have anything that resembles a complete stadium. And that’s a minimum. And Knowall, if you do know so much, why don’t you add something useful as you always boast that you are so close to all the boards of directors both past and current. Or challenge my post and say actually if we plan this way we could have it viably done in 5 years. If you want the best for our Club - then support the Board and stop carping on a public forum. Offer all this wonderful wisdom you have from running your fantastic business to HELP our current owners who have taken over a lame duck. They need help rather than criticism and you sound just the man!! Go to it superman - offer a realistic plan of your own - and who knows they (and the rest of us) may like it - and as it seems you can prepare plans in four weeks What a wonderful surprise we will have in early January. Oh - and as you are doing so well you could help out with the cash-flow which you say is in need of repair. Robin (pardon the expression) Hood was a more liked person than King John you know. As for a challenge - if you say 5 years - why should I argue? - I certainly have never mentioned 10 years (or any years for that matter) What I do know is - as you get older - time seems to get shorter.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 3, 2017 13:41:15 GMT
Your sprout a lot of dodgy info again on this thread, which as I've said before I find surprising for a board mod, is there any evidence TG was only employed as he was SH's son's best mate or Wael only gets pocket money from Hani, perhaps Hani does make all the big decisions, somebody has to do that in any organisation, but there's nothing to suggest Wael doesn't have some input into those big decisions.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 13:44:33 GMT
Your sprout a lot of dodgy info again on this thread, which as I've said before I find surprising for a board mod, is there any evidence TG was only employed as he was SH's son's best mate or Wael only gets pocket money from Hani, perhaps Hani does make all the big decisions, somebody has to do that in any organisation, but there's nothing to suggest Wael doesn't have some input into those big decisions. Ask Ian Holtby yourself... I’m a mod yes, but also entitled to my own opinion just like you are. I don’t choose to censor anyone else’s opinion unless it breaks the house rules and can be backed by fellow mods.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 13:53:34 GMT
I’ve been in business only 9 years and started it with a £25k bank loan in the middle of a recession and now I am debt free with a £1m turnover and a 8% bottom line return and employ people, I don’t think I’m doing too badly and I know how to run a business and grow it and I’m only 36 so have time on my side. WAQ is is an employee of his brother who took over from his old man. WAQ just gets pocket money to spend when Hani says so. Which is why Hamer deals with Hani for the money. Fact. You speak like I want a return to the halcyon days under Higgs. I don’t. I honestly don’t. What I want is for the club to move forward and be successful. If I didn’t I wouldn’t have put money of my own into Rovers over the last 3 1/2 years to support them through sponsorship as well as my match day tickets. I want the ALQs to have a vision and a plan to drive us forward. To honest and open. It isn’t Chelsea. It’s a community football club. What we have had so far is a closed shop with a puppet on a string in Hamer, had the only real hope for a future removed with a don’t worry, we’ll tart up the bogs instead thrown on top. Forgive me, but that isn’t vision. And like I said, time is something we can use wisely or waste. And at the moment it will be 10 years before we have anything that resembles a complete stadium. And that’s a minimum. And Knowall, if you do know so much, why don’t you add something useful as you always boast that you are so close to all the boards of directors both past and current. Or challenge my post and say actually if we plan this way we could have it viably done in 5 years. If you want the best for our Club - then support the Board and stop carping on a public forum. Offer all this wonderful wisdom you have from running your fantastic business to HELP our current owners who have taken over a lame duck. They need help rather than criticism and you sound just the man!! Go to it superman - offer a realistic plan of your own - and who knows they (and the rest of us) may like it - and as it seems you can prepare plans in four weeks What a wonderful surprise we will have in early January. Oh - and as you are doing so well you could help out with the cash-flow which you say is in need of repair. Robin (pardon the expression) Hood was a more liked person than King John you know. As for a challenge - if you say 5 years - why should I argue? - I certainly have never mentioned 10 years (or any years for that matter) What I do know is - as you get older - time seems to get shorter. If they put something in place which you could support I would! It’s not me that making cats arse of keeping the fans in the dark and pulling the plug on stadium plans replacing them with a redecoration of the existing toilets and then announcing it like something to be proud of. I’m just stating the bleedin obvious.
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Post by madgas on Dec 3, 2017 14:00:39 GMT
Have you thought that the decisions you make about your business is the reason you are not on the scale of the Al-Qadis? Being the mouthpiece for others does you no favours. You should realize from the comments on this thread that no-one appreciated being on the verge of extinction which is where the previous Board took us and only masochists would want them anywhere near the Boardroom again. I’ve been in business only 9 years and started it with a £25k bank loan in the middle of a recession and now I am debt free with a £1m turnover and a 8% bottom line return and employ people, I don’t think I’m doing too badly and I know how to run a business and grow it and I’m only 36 so have time on my side. WAQ is is an employee of his brother who took over from his old man. WAQ just gets pocket money to spend when Hani says so. Which is why Hamer deals with Hani for the money. Fact. You speak like I want a return to the halcyon days under Higgs. I don’t. I honestly don’t. What I want is for the club to move forward and be successful. If I didn’t I wouldn’t have put money of my own into Rovers over the last 3 1/2 years to support them through sponsorship as well as my match day tickets. I want the ALQs to have a vision and a plan to drive us forward. To honest and open. It isn’t Chelsea. It’s a community football club. What we have had so far is a closed shop with a puppet on a string in Hamer, had the only real hope for a future removed with a don’t worry, we’ll tart up the bogs instead thrown on top. Forgive me, but that isn’t vision. And like I said, time is something we can use wisely or waste. And at the moment it will be 10 years before we have anything that resembles a complete stadium. And that’s a minimum. And Knowall, if you do know so much, why don’t you add something useful as you always boast that you are so close to all the boards of directors both past and current. Or challenge my post and say actually if we plan this way we could have it viably done in 5 years. Wow, such arrogance. Putting fact after expressing your opinion is a bit grim. You want a footballing community? Not Chelsea? But you want our owner to put his hand in his pocket and pour money into the club (sounds like Chelsea)? Feels quite contradictory. FACT. opinion.
We spent 10 years not getting UWE stadium- so of course it could be a long time. The UWE project only ended 4 months ago so I don't expect too much progress just yet. We can't get upset that daddy won't by us a stadium.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 14:32:00 GMT
Did you miss the bit of the Hamer interview that said that Hani was the money man and not a football man and that the financial review was with Hani and not Wael?
If we don’t have a plan or a vision what can we offer potential businesses and investors to invest in?
That is the point. I’m not saying they need to buy us the stadium. But they are the majority shareholders that create the vision and future of the club and have a business plan around it.
4 months since the collapse of UWE and nothing has really been done to set a plan b in motion. Fair play to Lansdown when Ashton Vale Collapsed he had a plan for Ashton Gate that was implemented when the finance was in place. That should have been our strategy but we will doing up the toilets instead.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 3, 2017 14:43:42 GMT
Did you miss the bit of the Hamer interview that said that Hani was the money man and not a football man and that the financial review was with Hani and not Wael? If we don’t have a plan or a vision what can we offer potential businesses and investors to invest in? That is the point. I’m not saying they need to buy us the stadium. But they are the majority shareholders that create the vision and future of the club and have a business plan around it. 4 months since the collapse of UWE and nothing has really been done to set a plan b in motion. Fair play to Lansdown when Ashton Vale Collapsed he had a plan for Ashton Gate that was implemented when the finance was in place. That should have been our strategy but we will doing up the toilets instead. Lansdown had the finance in place because it was his own personal wealth. Wasnt like he had to convince banks or investors to stump up People need to stop comparing anything Lansdown has done to anything we can currently do
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Post by madgas on Dec 3, 2017 15:02:59 GMT
Did you miss the bit of the Hamer interview that said that Hani was the money man and not a football man and that the financial review was with Hani and not Wael? If we don’t have a plan or a vision what can we offer potential businesses and investors to invest in? That is the point. I’m not saying they need to buy us the stadium. But they are the majority shareholders that create the vision and future of the club and have a business plan around it. 4 months since the collapse of UWE and nothing has really been done to set a plan b in motion. Fair play to Lansdown when Ashton Vale Collapsed he had a plan for Ashton Gate that was implemented when the finance was in place. That should have been our strategy but we will doing up the toilets instead. I think I heard the same interview. But I heard nothing of pocket money or Hani even being solely responsible. I don’t pretend to know either. I accept that Hani is involved and his passions may not run as hard as Waels but we can’t make stuff up. 4 months is also not that long. It’s both reasonably short amount time and significant amount. We’re at a stage whereby the next annoucement should be an architectural drawing. I wouldn’t expect that in 4 months. Bristol City- totally different situation. And also, easy to say in hindsight.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 15:10:23 GMT
Did you miss the bit of the Hamer interview that said that Hani was the money man and not a football man and that the financial review was with Hani and not Wael? If we don’t have a plan or a vision what can we offer potential businesses and investors to invest in? That is the point. I’m not saying they need to buy us the stadium. But they are the majority shareholders that create the vision and future of the club and have a business plan around it. 4 months since the collapse of UWE and nothing has really been done to set a plan b in motion. Fair play to Lansdown when Ashton Vale Collapsed he had a plan for Ashton Gate that was implemented when the finance was in place. That should have been our strategy but we will doing up the toilets instead. Lansdown had the finance in place because it was his own personal wealth. Wasnt like he had to convince banks or investors to stump up People need to stop comparing anything Lansdown has done to anything we can currently do I didn’t say the finance. I said the vision and the plan. We could have plans drawn now with no intention to build for 5 years and then be subject to planning and finance. It would be a demonstration of the evolution project the owners have in mind and it would be something to court prospective investors with. And we would know exactly how much investment we will need. It could also be modified with supporters ideas if they see something the club has missed or we would like to see. I don’t see how it’s much different to City. They wanted to build a new ground off site. Planning denied. They looked at what they had and planned to update/remodel/rebuild it. They drew the plans and proposed the vision quite quickly. It was then 18 months-2 years before they started. It was hardly a knee jerk reaction.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 3, 2017 15:15:13 GMT
I’ve been in business only 9 years and started it with a £25k bank loan in the middle of a recession and now I am debt free with a £1m turnover and a 8% bottom line return and employ people, I don’t think I’m doing too badly and I know how to run a business and grow it and I’m only 36 so have time on my side. WAQ is is an employee of his brother who took over from his old man. WAQ just gets pocket money to spend when Hani says so. Which is why Hamer deals with Hani for the money. Fact. You speak like I want a return to the halcyon days under Higgs. I don’t. I honestly don’t. What I want is for the club to move forward and be successful. If I didn’t I wouldn’t have put money of my own into Rovers over the last 3 1/2 years to support them through sponsorship as well as my match day tickets. I want the ALQs to have a vision and a plan to drive us forward. To honest and open. It isn’t Chelsea. It’s a community football club. What we have had so far is a closed shop with a puppet on a string in Hamer, had the only real hope for a future removed with a don’t worry, we’ll tart up the bogs instead thrown on top. Forgive me, but that isn’t vision. And like I said, time is something we can use wisely or waste. And at the moment it will be 10 years before we have anything that resembles a complete stadium. And that’s a minimum. And Knowall, if you do know so much, why don’t you add something useful as you always boast that you are so close to all the boards of directors both past and current. Or challenge my post and say actually if we plan this way we could have it viably done in 5 years. If you want the best for our Club - then support the Board and stop carping on a public forum. Offer all this wonderful wisdom you have from running your fantastic business to HELP our current owners who have taken over a lame duck. They need help rather than criticism and you sound just the man!! Go to it superman - offer a realistic plan of your own - and who knows they (and the rest of us) may like it - and as it seems you can prepare plans in four weeks What a wonderful surprise we will have in early January. Oh - and as you are doing so well you could help out with the cash-flow which you say is in need of repair. Robin (pardon the expression) Hood was a more liked person than King John you know. As for a challenge - if you say 5 years - why should I argue? - I certainly have never mentioned 10 years (or any years for that matter) What I do know is - as you get older - time seems to get shorter. Doesn't sound as though you have too much time left to GROW UP!!! You sound like a very bitter old man.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 3, 2017 15:44:35 GMT
Damned if he does damned if he doesn't, if Wael said yesterday he had a 5 year plan and in the meantime zero work would take place at the Mem, you'd be here questioning why we couldn't tart up the Mem in the meantime. You were posting a couple of weeks ago we had severe cashflow problems and gave the impression we were going bust (and most likely back to Div 2). That's clearly not the case so unless EW stops talking and actually comes up with a plan to buy out the ALQ's I'll accept what's being offered as at least I can watch Div 1 football, not Conference football the previous BoD forced us to suffer in the past. We clearly do have a cash flow problem because 2 suppliers have 60+ day invoices which are now having to be paid by installments to one business and one business who isn’t a rovers fan, has no axe to grind and just wants to be paid what is owed has no reason to lie. But that isn’t what’s being discussed. Wael is damned either way because all we are being fed is odd snipets of plans to tart up things which make no logical sense in doing because we have no greater plan. And the talk of it takes time is a total nonsense when consultations and plans can be done in a matter of weeks if you are actually serious about doing something. I’m a businessman myself, may not be on the scale of the ALQs but I have plans to expand my business, some small and some large and one is a relocation, rebuild and investment. It took me all of a month to know exactly what I needed to do and how much I needed to invest using capable outside parties. The biggest hold up was planning and usage from the council. Because of this I am not going to waste money and time fiddling around with my current premises. There is no point and serves no purpose. My point being that the planning and usage stage with the councils and local nimbys is the bit the takes the longest, have we learned nothing from the past? So why not crack on and get it sorted, get the vision planned and executed and then we can all buy in to the future under the ALQs. All we have had so far is the UWE project removed and a tarted up set of toilets in its place. And we still don’t have the reasons why the UWE was a bad deal. Am I the only one seeing this? With every move so far we have more questions to ask rather than answers given. When you decided to expand your current business ( well done BTW on your success so far ), did you explain to the world and his wife what your plans are before you went down the discovery route or did you do the planning first and then told the world ?. Maybe DS are exploring all options before they announce their plans to the world and his wife ?
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Post by madgas on Dec 3, 2017 15:48:55 GMT
Lansdown had the finance in place because it was his own personal wealth. Wasnt like he had to convince banks or investors to stump up People need to stop comparing anything Lansdown has done to anything we can currently do I didn’t say the finance. I said the vision and the plan. We could have plans drawn now with no intention to build for 5 years and then be subject to planning and finance. It would be a demonstration of the evolution project the owners have in mind and it would be something to court prospective investors with. And we would know exactly how much investment we will need. It could also be modified with supporters ideas if they see something the club has missed or we would like to see. I don’t see how it’s much different to City. They wanted to build a new ground off site. Planning denied. They looked at what they had and planned to update/remodel/rebuild it. They drew the plans and proposed the vision quite quickly. It was then 18 months-2 years before they started. It was hardly a knee jerk reaction. I think it’s a very different situation. Bristol City in reality never had a chance of the Ashton Vale development. They never had permission to build a stadium there. What they did have was the finance and attendances. Work on a redevelopment plan was always running alongside the desires relocation. They announced it, whilst waiting the outcome of the appeal. We were much further committed. Practically- Architects designs aren’t that easy. Not sure we could get those together within four months.
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Post by madgas on Dec 3, 2017 15:53:35 GMT
I also think it would be really strange to have plans without the intention of doing anything for 5 years?
Essentially, that is not a plan. Because in 5 years it can easily all change.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 3, 2017 16:11:02 GMT
We clearly do have a cash flow problem because 2 suppliers have 60+ day invoices which are now having to be paid by installments to one business and one business who isn’t a rovers fan, has no axe to grind and just wants to be paid what is owed has no reason to lie. But that isn’t what’s being discussed. Wael is damned either way because all we are being fed is odd snipets of plans to tart up things which make no logical sense in doing because we have no greater plan. And the talk of it takes time is a total nonsense when consultations and plans can be done in a matter of weeks if you are actually serious about doing something. I’m a businessman myself, may not be on the scale of the ALQs but I have plans to expand my business, some small and some large and one is a relocation, rebuild and investment. It took me all of a month to know exactly what I needed to do and how much I needed to invest using capable outside parties. The biggest hold up was planning and usage from the council. Because of this I am not going to waste money and time fiddling around with my current premises. There is no point and serves no purpose. My point being that the planning and usage stage with the councils and local nimbys is the bit the takes the longest, have we learned nothing from the past? So why not crack on and get it sorted, get the vision planned and executed and then we can all buy in to the future under the ALQs. All we have had so far is the UWE project removed and a tarted up set of toilets in its place. And we still don’t have the reasons why the UWE was a bad deal. Am I the only one seeing this? With every move so far we have more questions to ask rather than answers given. When you decided to expand your current business ( well done BTW on your success so far ), did you explain to the world and his wife what your plans are before you went down the discovery route or did you do the planning first and then told the world ?. Maybe DS are exploring all options before they announce their plans to the world and his wife ? They're certainly not keeping the Manager informed and are in serious danger of losing him. Why wouldn't they want to keep him informed - arguably one of the most important people at the club at the moment.
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Post by knowall on Dec 3, 2017 16:12:02 GMT
If you want the best for our Club - then support the Board and stop carping on a public forum. Offer all this wonderful wisdom you have from running your fantastic business to HELP our current owners who have taken over a lame duck. They need help rather than criticism and you sound just the man!! Go to it superman - offer a realistic plan of your own - and who knows they (and the rest of us) may like it - and as it seems you can prepare plans in four weeks What a wonderful surprise we will have in early January. Oh - and as you are doing so well you could help out with the cash-flow which you say is in need of repair. Robin (pardon the expression) Hood was a more liked person than King John you know. As for a challenge - if you say 5 years - why should I argue? - I certainly have never mentioned 10 years (or any years for that matter) What I do know is - as you get older - time seems to get shorter. Doesn't sound as though you have too much time left to GROW UP!!! You sound like a very bitter old man. If you are referring to me I would like to know what is bitter about wanting so-called supporters to rally behind our football club rather than continually carping and running us down in public.
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