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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 13:12:13 GMT
There is no reason why we couldn't have the 6th best turnover. The owners could easily pump more money in through sponsorship or whatever to give us a top 6 budget. And the will when the time is right.... Wouldn’t buy a computer off henburygas his spelling lately with the keyboards!he must have letters missing
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Mar 25, 2018 13:13:37 GMT
I'd prefer the owners to stick around investing £1 million pounds for 10 seasons, than £2 million for 5 seasons.
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Post by baggins on Mar 25, 2018 13:19:07 GMT
I'd prefer the owners to stick around investing £1 million pounds for 10 seasons, than £2 million for 5 seasons. I'd prefer it if they just stuck around.
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Post by beaver132 on Mar 25, 2018 13:38:24 GMT
Personally don't see it that way. I reckon DC prefers to bring in the youngsters and develop them. He strikes me as quite a thrifty character tbh. In any event we've spent more on players in the last few windows than we have in a long long time so that's hardly not backing the manager imo. Anyway if the owners were to splash more cash around on the playing budget it wouldn't guarantee success as we have seen all too often with other clubs. Just face facts everyone, we were promised evolution not revolution and that's what we are getting. It requires patience and I for one am happy to be patient and will just keep on supporting the club, the owners, the manager and the players in their endeavours to keep progressing. As long as we keep improving little by little, bit by bit why not just go along for the ride and enjoy the experience. We don't have a rosy faced tax dodging sugar daddy owner who will just throw his own money around willy nilly, we have owners that want to build and improve the club in a sustainable way. Nothing wrong with that imo. UTG! Personally I don't think it matters if we're shopping at Aldi or Waitrose, so long as we're not shopping at Peterborough anymore!
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Post by bluestone on Mar 25, 2018 13:40:18 GMT
Personally don't see it that way. I reckon DC prefers to bring in the youngsters and develop them. He strikes me as quite a thrifty character tbh. In any event we've spent more on players in the last few windows than we have in a long long time so that's hardly not backing the manager imo. Anyway if the owners were to splash more cash around on the playing budget it wouldn't guarantee success as we have seen all too often with other clubs. Just face facts everyone, we were promised evolution not revolution and that's what we are getting. It requires patience and I for one am happy to be patient and will just keep on supporting the club, the owners, the manager and the players in their endeavours to keep progressing. As long as we keep improving little by little, bit by bit why not just go along for the ride and enjoy the experience. We don't have a rosy faced tax dodging sugar daddy owner who will just throw his own money around willy nilly, we have owners that want to build and improve the club in a sustainable way. Nothing wrong with that imo. UTG! DC has said at recent open meetings "that he would love a top six budget" as he could get BRFC where he thinks they should be. I would love a mansion and a Ferrari but I'm realistic in knowing that I'm not going to get them anytime soon unless I win the lottery (for BRFC read "get bought out by a tax dodging lady garden with more money than sense"). DC may say that but he also accepts the situation the club is in and knows there are limits to how big his budget can be right now. Consider this....DC signed a 5 year contract only last year, he did that with his eyes wide open and therefore knowing the financial limitations of the club, does anyone seriously think he was duped into doing that? As others have said apart from the fact that he has been given a budget to spend on new players the owners have continually backed him and the club in many other ways such as increasing his coaching set up, more back office staff, small improvements at the mem, development squad and even relaying the bloody pitch (less said the better about that one!) which was specifically requested by DC. Sorry, I don't buy into the fact that DC hasn't been backed by the owners. All I see is continual improvements on all fronts including the playing budget. It's easy to forget where we came from not that long ago....the conference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 13:57:03 GMT
But wouldn’t we need a 6th annual turnover to get it based on the rules? There is no reason why we couldn't have the 6th best turnover. The owners could easily pump more money in through sponsorship or whatever to give us a top 6 budget. This though is not building a sustainable club is it. It is totally relying on a sugar daddy . Which also leads fans (who do not study the books) to start thinking that it is the numbers through the turnstile that are sustaining the club. Which would be untrue. The fans would then still be begging for the owners to buy that one more good player to make the difference ,spiralling that total dependency on the sugar daddy. Buying in short term players on high money will not help the club long term as the club will always have to beg off someone to top up the coffers.
In my opinion. The owners are trying to build a business that is successful based upon a good financial model.
This is exactly the same thinking that the original Dunford board had ,the difference being that the current owners have the money to take the model to a higher level . This is why they are such a good match for Bristol Rovers.
This is why the "debts" being placed against the club is far better than sugar daddies just gifting money. It means the business has to succeed to start paying off the debts . Which gives massive incentive throughout the club. If the business succeeds it means the football side has a far better chance of being successful .
The first Dunford era was absolutely and completely based upon finances and keeping the business afloat . By achieving this the football side did well. The evidence is there. League one and championship football and Wembley finals. Despite not being a top six budget club.
As for the development squad. I think D.C. may have mentioned that in future Rovers will use their own young players to boost the side rather than bring in other clubs players on loan. Rovers own youngsters have a greater reason for the club and themselves to succeed which many loan players will not have.
Barry Fry alluded to Rovers being like them in developing younger players but then having to sell them thus causing a static status. The difference is Posh buy in a lot of young players and then sell them on. Rovers are looking to develop players from youth level and yes some will get sold on. BF said the owners should back D.C. with more with money . That is why teams get through so many managers ,the managers do not produce the success that repays the investments in the teams. A good financial setup reduces the pressure on managers which will allow the ten game losing run without panic sackings to try to protect the investment. As we have seen at Rovers there have been runs were other clubs would have sacked their manager. Rovers didn't ,the long term benefits of this are plain to see. Stability , long term advancement on the pitch and growth throughout the club. Having the playing budget come from steady stable income sources that will remain near enough the same whether success or failure comes takes massive pressure from a manager. Allowing for long term planning where the manager can see the benefit of not over spending and panic buying for short term gain.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 25, 2018 14:13:55 GMT
BF has pretty much summed up a lot our thoughts.
I wouldn't say we bring through a lot out younger players though, we've had a handful over past 5-10 years that managed to make the 1st team. Obviously with the development side we could see more.
DC has probably been backed better than several of our past managers. But I agree, i did think new owners would back DC some more with bigger budget.
Until Stadium situation sorts itself out. We may as well keep the budget tight.
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Post by CrispPusher on Mar 25, 2018 14:51:05 GMT
We may have larger gates, but we're not charging average supporters £28 like Peterborough do!
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Post by gaelgas on Mar 25, 2018 15:33:20 GMT
Thanks for that, I have to say I didn't realise that, I suppose it explains how clubs like Fleetwood (last year) Scunny etc can compete despite reasonably poor support. It seems a bit odd to allow owners just to pump money in, not really fair play so to speak, although I assume it's there, at our level anyway, to prevent clubs getting too far in debt and just borrowing money to try and get success.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 25, 2018 15:33:55 GMT
"Barry Fry not knowing anything" he also said in the same interview he's now 72 years old and been in the game since he left school, I guess he knows a thing or two about how football clubs are run?
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Post by peterparker on Mar 25, 2018 15:42:55 GMT
"Barry Fry not knowing anything" he also said in the same interview he's now 72 years old and been in the game since he left school, I guess he knows a thing or two about how football clubs are run? What does he know about Rovers though our turnover, sticking by the rules etc? Or is he suckered in by the old rich foreign owner sh**e
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 25, 2018 16:06:52 GMT
"Barry Fry not knowing anything" he also said in the same interview he's now 72 years old and been in the game since he left school, I guess he knows a thing or two about how football clubs are run? What does he know about Rovers though our turnover, sticking by the rules etc? Or is he suckered in by the old rich foreign owner sh**e What was the context of the interview and was it before or after the game? Is this a genuine observation or a classic praise the opposition to explain the result?
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Post by pirate on Mar 25, 2018 16:16:44 GMT
What does he know about Rovers though our turnover, sticking by the rules etc? Or is he suckered in by the old rich foreign owner sh**e What was the context of the interview and was it before or after the game? Is this a genuine observation or a classic praise the opposition to explain the result? The interview was before the game. Listen to it here at 1:39:40 www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p060gg3k
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 25, 2018 16:28:16 GMT
I reckon if Steve Evans or Darren MacAnthony had said the same thing everyone would be telling them to **** off. That its genial old Barry Fry people say spot on. Some elements of truth but he’s done what lots on here have done, put foreign owners added great crowds and so it must equal “lots of money”. Yes it means more than we had and they have spent it. BF has always liked the sound of his own voice and he’d rather talk about stuff that he knows little about rather than say nothing. Whenever he had the interview he was basically saying “that was a great result for us because BRFC should be up there and DC is a great manager.” And that I can agree with! But what does Barry Fry really know about the detailed finances of our club? Sod all I suspect. UTG!
Edit: just seen the time of the interview, he was building us up and giving an excuse for his team if needed and if they had a good result it would seem better.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Mar 25, 2018 16:30:34 GMT
Rich owners who genuinely have pots of money to throw at a club are few and far between, and most of them want something in return.
Here's an example of what we could've got.
The rich Greek shipping magnate/owner of Nottingham Forest was being investigated for match fixing in Greece, and is now being looked at for drug trafficking. Be careful what you wish.
We are very lucky in my opinion, and I, like most fans are more than happy with the way our owners are running things - evolution not revolution.
UTG/ALQs
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 25, 2018 17:13:50 GMT
"Barry Fry not knowing anything" he also said in the same interview he's now 72 years old and been in the game since he left school, I guess he knows a thing or two about how football clubs are run? What does he know about Rovers though our turnover, sticking by the rules etc? Or is he suckered in by the old rich foreign owner sh**e He said from the outside looking in...this is what he sees given the circumstances around our club, and it echoed a lot of questions and opinions of our own fans. I’m sure he has spoken with DC over the years about various circumstances, perhaps even about a management role after they have sacked someone...who knows... He also didn’t say, with the rich owners at Rovers unexpected them to spend millions, all he said was that he expected them to back DC a little more in the first team squad than has been done so far.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2018 18:10:46 GMT
Like Barry Fry or not, he is spot on with this. As far as I'm concerned, Barry Fry can go and f**k himself then keep his nose out of our business.
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Post by pirate on Mar 25, 2018 18:15:44 GMT
Like Barry Fry or not, he is spot on with this. As far as I'm concerned, Barry Fry can go and f**k himself then keep his nose out of our business. Say what you really feel.
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Post by socrates on Mar 25, 2018 18:19:54 GMT
Like Barry Fry or not, he is spot on with this. As far as I'm concerned, Barry Fry can go and f**k himself then keep his nose out of our business. Your a big fan then ?
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Post by knowall on Mar 25, 2018 18:34:21 GMT
I heard this interview on the radio yesterday. What he also said which was left out of this snippet was that P’boro like Rovers blood their young players or improve your squad and then sale them for a profit. Problem with that is you can be left behind or stay static. He also meant by the owners backing Darrell by giving him a better budget to compete with. If you give someone a big long term contract it’s pointless not giving him the tools to succeed. He spoke a lot of sense and was spot on in his assessment. But that is Barry Fry not knowing everything or picking and choosing his info. What good is throwing money at DC when the club has no infrastructure to back it up. Surely the development squad and the training ground are all part of the things the club need to succeed longer than DC possibly being here as a manager Barry Fry has the support of a Lansdown clone who has squillions and where are they? Fry is an engaging character but would you want him at our club? Evolution is the name of the Rovers game and DC is tuned in to that - he is great at bringing on the youngsters - Ollie, Ellis, Tom and the new influx like Broadbent - rather Rovers than the posh thanks.
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