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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 24, 2018 9:42:40 GMT
Calling people c*nts and morons ? You think this is helping, how ? should I say less enlightened members of the fanbase then? No, don't bother, you have already shown what you think of people.
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Post by yetigas on Apr 24, 2018 9:47:07 GMT
I was working 2-10 late shift so sadly couldnt attend. Was there a good turnout? Were then any BAME people in the audience? 2 obvious problems of attracting more BAME fans are the relatively recent open racist chanting etc at football matches[1 generation at most] and the fact that many BAME football lovers prefer clubs like arsenal and chelsea. I dont think there was anything on the club website about the evening,,why? ? AS shown conclusively on various threads on this forum and the other as well as the OTIb racism is very much alive and kicking but maybe the next generation can do better? I also could not attend but am very happy to see this important initiative by the club. I currently live in Asia where I occasionally watch matches, but don't feel the same passion as I would supporting the Gas. In UK football is rooted in the community and I guess most fans (with the exception of premiership glory hunters) support their local club. So the key might be to ensure that from an early age the children, including BAME children, see BRFC as their local club where they all feel welcome. I can see where BB is coming from as I grew up with BRFC in the 60's and 70's with some pretty terrible racist behaviour on the terraces (chanting, comments etc etc) so its been a big hurdle to overcome and we are not there yet. But we can't wait for the next generation - we have to make the changes now and challenge racism wherever we find it. That includes on the terraces/seats of football grounds. Each of us can make a difference and work to make everyone welcome to support our great club.
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Apr 24, 2018 9:47:15 GMT
I was working 2-10 late shift so sadly couldnt attend. Was there a good turnout? Were then any BAME people in the audience? 2 obvious problems of attracting more BAME fans are the relatively recent open racist chanting etc at football matches[1 generation at most] and the fact that many BAME football lovers prefer clubs like arsenal and chelsea. I dont think there was anything on the club website about the evening,,why? ? AS shown conclusively on various threads on this forum and the other as well as the OTIb racism is very much alive and kicking but maybe the next generation can do better? I'm not a good judge of crowds, but I'd say there were about 50-60 people there, maybe 15 or so BAME. There is a small article with a video on the Community Trust website. www.bristolroverscommunity.org.uk/newsI also think along the lines of yourself with the generation thing. If you look at the kids who are at Rovers games, they are there with their parents. So our young fanbase still represents the demographics of the fanbase 30-40 years ago. Kids of all backgrounds will generally only come to Rovers if their parents do or if the club/community trust can find other ways of reaching them.
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Post by tommym9 on Apr 24, 2018 9:54:52 GMT
I was also there and one point that was made is that older BAME people remember the dark days of the 70s when they wouldn't dare set foot in a football stadium. Fast forward and their kids aren't taken to football and so a major route for why kids get hooked on their local team is taken away. The Bengali bantams was a highlight too. Maybe we could get a Pakistani Pirates or something similar? Obviously it would need to be someone in the community which is the struggle. Oh dear let's encourage diversity by openly encouraging segregated groups of fans. Perhaps we can have segregated areas of the ground as well? I mean it's only racial equality laws that stop that sort of thing. The Bengali bantams aren't segregated. They sit together as do a lot of groups. This isn't forcing diversity for diversities sake, this is encouraging football fans who otherwise wouldn't go to football to go along with like minded people.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 9:56:25 GMT
Hhmm, the Bengali Bantams, the Pakistani Pirates, the Gay Pirates..............Can't anyone see that by suggesting/supporting these organised groupings that you are actually encouraging the very same problems that you claim to be addressing? Some people never will and some people will believe that 2 wrongs make a right. Sad. Laws exist to deal with racism but those laws require people to stand up and report the offences. Perhaps it's the attitude of people like peterparker that need to change and report racism. The other way is to do nothing and hope someone else reports it.
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Apr 24, 2018 9:56:52 GMT
Hhmm, the Bengali Bantams, the Pakistani Pirates, the Gay Pirates..............Can't anyone see that by suggesting/supporting these organised groupings that you are actually encouraging the very same problems that you claim to be addressing? I guess your point is that by being in a sub-group of Bradford fans that they are segregated from the rest of the fans? However, I think that having 60 Bangladeshi fans inside the stadium is more integrated than if they were outside the stadium. Can't see how anyone can argue with a scheme that gets at least 60 people through the gates each week. And anyone is free to set up a supporters group for any sub-group of fans. Rovers have the Old Tote Enders, the Cabadell fans, the Gas Girls and the Scottish Gas groups.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Apr 24, 2018 9:59:28 GMT
How many BAME players are there in the game?
I would suggest a far higher percentage than the fans, but i’d like to know the facts if anyone has them? Also there are clearly a far higher percentage of BAME players than managers and senior administrators in the game.
The players are the focal point of the game so it surely is surprising that over the years there hasn’t been a much greater increase in BAME fans and surely it is worth asking why this is the case.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2018 10:03:17 GMT
Hhmm, the Bengali Bantams, the Pakistani Pirates, the Gay Pirates..............Can't anyone see that by suggesting/supporting these organised groupings that you are actually encouraging the very same problems that you claim to be addressing? Some people never will and some people will believe that 2 wrongs make a right. Sad. Laws exist to deal with racism but those laws require people to stand up and report the offences. Perhaps it's the attitude of people like peterparker that need to change and report racism. The other way is to do nothing and hope someone else reports it. I would report racism if I heard it thank you very much.
What I was saying is that these groups are to encourage people to go to football, where they otherwise wouldn't because the wouldn't feel comfortable, or safe or they just never thought about it before. Not encouraging segregation which you seem to think
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Post by tutgas on Apr 24, 2018 10:04:33 GMT
Glad to see some of the posters on here from the previous thread are interesting to see how the evening went. Its just a shame that they didn't manage to attend as they could have shared some of their views with a 'real' live audience. For you guys/girls that could not make it here is a link to a video of the evening; . www.bristolroverscommunity.org.uk/In response to oldgas, who thought the purpose of this meeting was to identify how BAME people could be encouraged to attend football matches, I would like to let you know that this was a topic of discussion during the evening and The Trust have already received several applications from various community leaders who would like to become members of the proposed inclusivity panel that was talked about. The Trust will be seeking further applications from all members of our community over the coming weeks. Please look out on the Trust website for how to apply #4quarters1community
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2018 10:11:02 GMT
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Post by LJG on Apr 24, 2018 10:12:02 GMT
One thing I will say about the complaint of "why do they have to sit together? Why can't they sit with us"? Having recently stayed in Oakland, California, a predominantly black populated region with some socio-economic and violent crime issues in parts, standing somewhere and being the only white person can be very very daunting. Imagine wearing football colours you can never take off.
And whilst some people might say "You can't tar us all as racists" I agree, that's quite right but there are racist nutters everywhere in society and nobody knows who they are until they do something nutty so if it gives people comfort to stand with other people who look like them (and from experience I understand why) then I can't see why anyone could have a problem with that.
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Post by tutgas on Apr 24, 2018 10:18:57 GMT
Hhmm, the Bengali Bantams, the Pakistani Pirates, the Gay Pirates..............Can't anyone see that by suggesting/supporting these organised groupings that you are actually encouraging the very same problems that you claim to be addressing? I guess your point is that by being in a sub-group of Bradford fans that they are segregated from the rest of the fans? However, I think that having 60 Bangladeshi fans inside the stadium is more integrated than if they were outside the stadium. Can't see how anyone can argue with a scheme that gets at least 60 people through the gates each week. And anyone is free to set up a supporters group for any sub-group of fans. Rovers have the Old Tote Enders, the Cabadell fans, the Gas Girls and the Scottish Gas groups. A very interesting point I voted for Kodos. Are these fans (nobbygas et al), arguing against a proposed Pakistani Pirates, Gay Pirates etc also claiming that 'Dutch Gas', Weston-super-Mare Gas, Norton/Radstock Gas, Gloster Gas, London Gas, Gas Girls, are encouraging segregation and are not a positive idea? Or are they OK? what is the difference between them?
Further information on some of the projects supported for Fans for Diversity can be found at:
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 24, 2018 10:20:37 GMT
One thing I will say about the complaint of "why do they have to sit together? Why can't they sit with us"? Having recently stayed in Oakland, California, a predominantly black populated region with some socio-economic and violent crime issues in parts, standing somewhere and being the only white person can be very very daunting. Imagine wearing football colours you can never take off. And whilst some people might say "You can't tar us all as racists" I agree, that's quite right but there are racist nutters everywhere in society and nobody knows who they are until they do something nutty so if it gives people comfort to stand with other people who look like them (and from experience I understand why) then I can't see why anyone could have a problem with that. Interesting to see this from the 'other' side, how do you think the idea of a 'whites' only part of the ground would go down ? I am really interested as I have not been to Oakland for many years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 10:25:33 GMT
I guess your point is that by being in a sub-group of Bradford fans that they are segregated from the rest of the fans? However, I think that having 60 Bangladeshi fans inside the stadium is more integrated than if they were outside the stadium. Can't see how anyone can argue with a scheme that gets at least 60 people through the gates each week. And anyone is free to set up a supporters group for any sub-group of fans. Rovers have the Old Tote Enders, the Cabadell fans, the Gas Girls and the Scottish Gas groups. A very interesting point I voted for Kodos. Are these fans (nobbygas et al), arguing against a proposed Pakistani Pirates, Gay Pirates etc also claiming that 'Dutch Gas', Weston-super-Mare Gas, Norton/Radstock Gas, Gloster Gas, London Gas, Gas Girls, are encouraging segregation and are not a positive idea? Or are they OK? what is the difference between them?
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I think you are totally missing the point here.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2018 10:40:24 GMT
One thing I will say about the complaint of "why do they have to sit together? Why can't they sit with us"? Having recently stayed in Oakland, California, a predominantly black populated region with some socio-economic and violent crime issues in parts, standing somewhere and being the only white person can be very very daunting. Imagine wearing football colours you can never take off. And whilst some people might say "You can't tar us all as racists" I agree, that's quite right but there are racist nutters everywhere in society and nobody knows who they are until they do something nutty so if it gives people comfort to stand with other people who look like them (and from experience I understand why) then I can't see why anyone could have a problem with that. Interesting to see this from the 'other' side, how do you think the idea of a 'whites' only part of the ground would go down ? I am really interested as I have not been to Oakland for many years. who is suggesting a blacks only, gay only or any other only section of the ground?
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Post by LJG on Apr 24, 2018 10:46:27 GMT
One thing I will say about the complaint of "why do they have to sit together? Why can't they sit with us"? Having recently stayed in Oakland, California, a predominantly black populated region with some socio-economic and violent crime issues in parts, standing somewhere and being the only white person can be very very daunting. Imagine wearing football colours you can never take off. And whilst some people might say "You can't tar us all as racists" I agree, that's quite right but there are racist nutters everywhere in society and nobody knows who they are until they do something nutty so if it gives people comfort to stand with other people who look like them (and from experience I understand why) then I can't see why anyone could have a problem with that. Interesting to see this from the 'other' side, how do you think the idea of a 'whites' only part of the ground would go down ? I am really interested as I have not been to Oakland for many years. Well I don't think anyone is suggesting a anything only part of the ground. I was just commenting on the comments made about the bangla whoever they are group.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 24, 2018 10:51:01 GMT
Interesting to see this from the 'other' side, how do you think the idea of a 'whites' only part of the ground would go down ? I am really interested as I have not been to Oakland for many years. Well I don't think anyone is suggesting a anything only part of the ground. I was just commenting on the comments made about the bangla whoever they are group. I could have asked a more direct question I suppose, How would a group of white folk calling themselves 'Southerners for Oakland' go down ? These people would stand in a group of say, 80 people all together. Does that make more sense ?
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 24, 2018 10:52:48 GMT
Interesting to see this from the 'other' side, how do you think the idea of a 'whites' only part of the ground would go down ? I am really interested as I have not been to Oakland for many years. who is suggesting a blacks only, gay only or any other only section of the ground? Sorry about that, I asked the question badly, but these people as you say, come as a group and as such all sit or stand together ?
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Post by LJG on Apr 24, 2018 10:54:17 GMT
Interesting to see this from the 'other' side, how do you think the idea of a 'whites' only part of the ground would go down ? I am really interested as I have not been to Oakland for many years. Well I don't think anyone is suggesting a anything only part of the ground. I was just commenting on the comments made about the bangla whoever they are group. And on that point I don't think the bangla bantams are an exclusively Asian membership. Having looked at their Facebook page it doesn't appear that way at least.
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Post by LJG on Apr 24, 2018 10:57:09 GMT
Well I don't think anyone is suggesting a anything only part of the ground. I was just commenting on the comments made about the bangla whoever they are group. I could have asked a more direct question I suppose, How would a group of white folk calling themselves 'Southerners for Oakland' go down ? These people would stand in a group of say, 80 people all together. Does make more sense ? I dunno I didn't go to a Raiders or an Athletics game. But to address your general point I don't think membership of that fan group is exclusive on the grounds of race. See my post above and view their FB page if you can.
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