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Post by LJG on Apr 24, 2018 12:50:58 GMT
Oh really? With which all white group did you attend a Raiders game?Either way it's a completely anodyne point since (if what you say is true) it would raise the question of why we would want to behave in a manner no better than a place which has the crime and societal issues that it does. Like saying we shouldn't have clean running water because they don't in Eritrea. I never said I did, you are just chewing your own arse now, like a dog with fleas. Interesting that you question my honesty ? I haven't questioned your honesty at all. You made a claim that you knew what would happen should an all white group attend a game in Oakland. The only way anyone could know is from experience. I was just asking for more detail of what your experience of that is.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 24, 2018 13:09:08 GMT
I never said I did, you are just chewing your own arse now, like a dog with fleas. Interesting that you question my honesty ? I haven't questioned your honesty at all. You made a claim that you knew what would happen should an all white group attend a game in Oakland. The only way anyone could know is from experience. I was just asking for more detail of what your experience of that is. 'If what you say is true' not one drop of clean running water is to be found in Eritrea ? Is that your kind of argument ? This is now getting silly, so best we leave it, eh ?
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Post by tutgas on Apr 24, 2018 13:35:52 GMT
If there is a separate group for BAME as I am a white man can I join it or am I excluded because of my race? No althepirate, you are of course not excluded. Please watch these videos, they might give you some more information/education of how all fans can come together to support the Gas, regardless of your age, disability, gender, sexual orientation or race . Surely that is worth celebrating?
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Post by LJG on Apr 24, 2018 13:36:05 GMT
I haven't questioned your honesty at all. You made a claim that you knew what would happen should an all white group attend a game in Oakland. The only way anyone could know is from experience. I was just asking for more detail of what your experience of that is. 'If what you say is true' not one drop of clean running water is to be found in Eritrea ? Is that your kind of argument ? This is now getting silly, so best we leave it, eh ? Well your conversational technique appears to have been reductio ad absurdum from the very start ("how do you think the idea of a 'whites' only part of the ground would go down ?") so that does tend to send things quite silly quite quickly. Around 50 - 70% of Eritreans have access to clean drinking water depending on the season and current drought threat. Hardly a model to be emulated by anyone's standards.
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Post by althepirate on Apr 24, 2018 13:40:57 GMT
I would report racism if I heard it thank you very much.
What I was saying is that these groups are to encourage people to go to football, where they otherwise wouldn't because the wouldn't feel comfortable, or safe or they just never thought about it before. Not encouraging segregation which you seem to think
Well good for you that's the way to go about racism and discrimination. The way not to do it in my view is to create groups along ethnic lines. Christ next thing you know people will be calling for a white supremacist gas group. Unfortunately in diversity people aren't looking for equality but a stick to beat people with to recognise their particular group at the expense of others. I'll support equality but I won't support discrimination, in any form, that supports racism. Yes spot on. Interesting to note the aggressors on here are the ones spouting diversity. Togetherness for me not hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other. The diversity boys will end up breaking up society not bringing it together.
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Post by tutgas on Apr 24, 2018 14:02:26 GMT
There is a lot of focus on here from a certain few individuals about groups based around ethnic lines. This seems to be the issue for some people. The Community Trust are talking about support for all underrepresented groups in football. This means ensuring all our fans feel safe and can support the Gas. This means making sure the elderly, women and girls, the disabled, lgbt are all respected and represented. I see very little talk from these certain individuals arguing that they should not allow an elderly supporters group, a women's supporters group, a disabled supporters group, an lgbt group. Why is that? These are all underrepresented groups just the same as those based around someone's race or religion.
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Post by tommym9 on Apr 24, 2018 14:05:43 GMT
Well good for you that's the way to go about racism and discrimination. The way not to do it in my view is to create groups along ethnic lines. Christ next thing you know people will be calling for a white supremacist gas group. Unfortunately in diversity people aren't looking for equality but a stick to beat people with to recognise their particular group at the expense of others. I'll support equality but I won't support discrimination, in any form, that supports racism. Yes spot on. Interesting to note the aggressors on here are the ones spouting diversity. Togetherness for me not hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other. The diversity boys will end up breaking up society not bringing it together. Gunna have to call bullshit on this one. I don't understand how making everyone welcome to come and watch a game at the Mem will lead to the breakdown of society. There will always be divides in society and there always have been along racial/political/religious/gender/geographical/sexuality/etc lines. The trick is to make sure you're not stopping any of those groups from joining in if they want to. Your dream of one world holding hands together is a lovely one, but not one rooted in reality.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2018 14:08:37 GMT
Well good for you that's the way to go about racism and discrimination. The way not to do it in my view is to create groups along ethnic lines. Christ next thing you know people will be calling for a white supremacist gas group. Unfortunately in diversity people aren't looking for equality but a stick to beat people with to recognise their particular group at the expense of others. I'll support equality but I won't support discrimination, in any form, that supports racism. Yes spot on. Interesting to note the aggressors on here are the ones spouting diversity. Togetherness for me not hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other. The diversity boys will end up breaking up society not bringing it together. Togetherness is what everybody wants ultimately surely?
I assume people don't disagree with the basic principal that clubs/sports etc should promote themselves to under represented people even if they disagree with having 'specialist' (for want of a better word) groups?
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Post by althepirate on Apr 24, 2018 14:40:16 GMT
Yes spot on. Interesting to note the aggressors on here are the ones spouting diversity. Togetherness for me not hundreds of little groups as groups end up fighting each other. The diversity boys will end up breaking up society not bringing it together. Togetherness is what everybody wants ultimately surely?
I assume people don't disagree with the basic principal that clubs/sports etc should promote themselves to under represented people even if they disagree with having 'specialist' (for want of a better word) groups?
I really don't really understand this unrepresented groups thing. Do people in society reject someone simply because they are gay, if they do then they should be well.....shot!
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Post by tommym9 on Apr 24, 2018 14:45:04 GMT
Togetherness is what everybody wants ultimately surely?
I assume people don't disagree with the basic principal that clubs/sports etc should promote themselves to under represented people even if they disagree with having 'specialist' (for want of a better word) groups?
I really don't really understand this unrepresented groups thing. Do people in society reject someone simply because they are gay, if they do then they should be well.....shot! Yes they do and yes they should
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2018 14:51:09 GMT
Togetherness is what everybody wants ultimately surely?
I assume people don't disagree with the basic principal that clubs/sports etc should promote themselves to under represented people even if they disagree with having 'specialist' (for want of a better word) groups?
I really don't really understand this unrepresented groups thing. Do people in society reject someone simply because they are gay, if they do then they should be well.....shot!
forgetting history, racism or any prejudices that may have been about in the past or currently, but if you break it down to a purely business aspect. if a section of society represents 5/10/15% of the local area and none of those go to or use your product then as a business surely it is an ideal target market. The tactics/initiatives used to court them may well be questioned and/or debated though
As far as I can tell none of the Bengali Bantams, Punjabi Rams and whatever groups have been forced on the community by the clubs themselves, but set up by fans themselves with help from authorities to promote themselves to the community
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 15:09:41 GMT
There is a lot of focus on here from a certain few individuals about groups based around ethnic lines. This seems to be the issue for some people. The Community Trust are talking about support for all underrepresented groups in football. This means ensuring all our fans feel safe and can support the Gas. This means making sure the elderly, women and girls, the disabled, lgbt are all respected and represented. I see very little talk from these certain individuals arguing that they should not allow an elderly supporters group, a women's supporters group, a disabled supporters group, an lgbt group. Why is that? These are all underrepresented groups just the same as those based around someone's race or religion. Last time I looked the elderly, women, girls, disabled or lgbt weren't defined by race or religion. Actually all of those groups exist within every racial and religious group though in many of those racial and religious groups they are treated appalling, certainly worse than anyone gets treated at football. So yep if you want to form those groups on Mon racial or religious lines, which actually would be discrimination under current legislation, then yep go ahead. What I won't support is Pakistani pirates or Catholic gas as that is promoting division, though of course I believe that is what diversity is trying to promote..
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Post by LJG on Apr 24, 2018 15:23:29 GMT
There is a lot of focus on here from a certain few individuals about groups based around ethnic lines. This seems to be the issue for some people. The Community Trust are talking about support for all underrepresented groups in football. This means ensuring all our fans feel safe and can support the Gas. This means making sure the elderly, women and girls, the disabled, lgbt are all respected and represented. I see very little talk from these certain individuals arguing that they should not allow an elderly supporters group, a women's supporters group, a disabled supporters group, an lgbt group. Why is that? These are all underrepresented groups just the same as those based around someone's race or religion. Last time I looked the elderly, women, girls, disabled or lgbt weren't defined by race or religion. Actually all of those groups exist within every racial and religious group though in many of those racial and religious groups they are treated appalling, certainly worse than anyone gets treated at football. So yep if you want to form those groups on Mon racial or religious lines, which actually would be discrimination under current legislation, then yep go ahead. What I won't support is Pakistani pirates or Catholic gas as that is promoting division, though of course I believe that is what diversity is trying to promote.. But the group we were talking about earlier isn't set up on racial or religious grounds. Even on a cursory examination it's clearly just a fan's group and clearly open to all.
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Post by tutgas on Apr 24, 2018 15:44:59 GMT
Last time I looked the elderly, women, girls, disabled or lgbt weren't defined by race or religion. Actually all of those groups exist within every racial and religious group though in many of those racial and religious groups they are treated appalling, certainly worse than anyone gets treated at football. So yep if you want to form those groups on Mon racial or religious lines, which actually would be discrimination under current legislation, then yep go ahead. What I won't support is Pakistani pirates or Catholic gas as that is promoting division, though of course I believe that is what diversity is trying to promote.. But the group we were talking about earlier isn't set up on racial or religious grounds. Even on a cursory examination it's clearly just a fan's group and clearly open to all.
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Post by tutgas on Apr 24, 2018 16:02:57 GMT
But the group we were talking about earlier isn't set up on racial or religious grounds. Even on a cursory examination it's clearly just a fan's group and clearly open to all. Exactly Lord Justice Gashead. I’m not sure if people are reading the posts accurately and are simply voicing their politicial/social viewpoints. It seems people are quick to make assumptions rather than listening to the facts or view the videos. The Trust are simply investigating ways to build supporter groups based around people’s friendship groups, beliefs, experiences. No different than Dutch Gas, London Gas etc. These are groups that come together to watch Rovers as they have similar backgrounds, probably live in similar areas and might travel to the ground together. They feel safer/happier together.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 16:08:41 GMT
Last time I looked the elderly, women, girls, disabled or lgbt weren't defined by race or religion. Actually all of those groups exist within every racial and religious group though in many of those racial and religious groups they are treated appalling, certainly worse than anyone gets treated at football. So yep if you want to form those groups on Mon racial or religious lines, which actually would be discrimination under current legislation, then yep go ahead. What I won't support is Pakistani pirates or Catholic gas as that is promoting division, though of course I believe that is what diversity is trying to promote.. But the group we were talking about earlier isn't set up on racial or religious grounds. Even on a cursory examination it's clearly just a fan's group and clearly open to all. Well unless I'm missing something terms like bengali and Pakistani are being quoted by those supporting the ideas. The EDL and the like will claim membership is open to all but the title of those groups make it quite clear that it's for some and not for others. Not being bengali or Pakistani why the hell would I join or be interested in a group promoting themselves as such?
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Post by LJG on Apr 24, 2018 16:18:17 GMT
But the group we were talking about earlier isn't set up on racial or religious grounds. Even on a cursory examination it's clearly just a fan's group and clearly open to all. Well unless I'm missing something terms like bengali and Pakistani are being quoted by those supporting the ideas. The EDL and the like will claim membership is open to all but the title of those groups make it quite clear that it's for some and not for others. Not being bengali or Pakistani why the hell would I join or be interested in a group promoting themselves as such? They don't promote themselves as such - they clearly state on their FB pages that they are community based groups. Tons of their photos on Facebook have white faces in. I don't understand why that's such a difficult thing to grasp. Judging something based on the name and not actually what they do is a bit like saying "Why would I want British Gas to be my home insurance provider? I've only got electric".
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2018 16:25:38 GMT
But the group we were talking about earlier isn't set up on racial or religious grounds. Even on a cursory examination it's clearly just a fan's group and clearly open to all. Well unless I'm missing something terms like bengali and Pakistani are being quoted by those supporting the ideas. The EDL and the like will claim membership is open to all but the title of those groups make it quite clear that it's for some and not for others. Not being bengali or Pakistani why the hell would I join or be interested in a group promoting themselves as such? Then you don't have just like I probably wouldn't go to a Tote End Old Boys night.
It's just a group of people with similar interests, that happen to promote their respective clubs to similar people who wouldn't normally go for whatever reason. They aren't forcing Islamic, Sikh or Catholic teachings down anyone's throats
I like cricket and do Occasionally walk round the corner to watch Bristol West Indies and nothing stops me becoming a member there if I wanted to
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 24, 2018 16:32:38 GMT
Well unless I'm missing something terms like bengali and Pakistani are being quoted by those supporting the ideas. The EDL and the like will claim membership is open to all but the title of those groups make it quite clear that it's for some and not for others. Not being bengali or Pakistani why the hell would I join or be interested in a group promoting themselves as such? Then you don't have just like I probably wouldn't go to a Tote End Old Boys night.
It's just a group of people with similar interests, that happen to promote their respective clubs to similar people who wouldn't normally go for whatever reason. They aren't forcing Islamic, Sikh or Catholic teachings down anyone's throats
I like cricket and do Occasionally walk round the corner to watch Bristol West Indies and nothing stops me becoming a member there if I wanted to
Funny you should mention cricket as in Bristol it's the clubs that promote themselves along racial lines that cause the biggest problems and invariably have the worst disciplinery record. Guess you'll all be for and supportive of someone starting an EDL Gas branch as the vile EDL allow membership for all?
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Post by pirate49 on Apr 24, 2018 16:40:32 GMT
Then you don't have just like I probably wouldn't go to a Tote End Old Boys night.
It's just a group of people with similar interests, that happen to promote their respective clubs to similar people who wouldn't normally go for whatever reason. They aren't forcing Islamic, Sikh or Catholic teachings down anyone's throats
I like cricket and do Occasionally walk round the corner to watch Bristol West Indies and nothing stops me becoming a member there if I wanted to
Funny you should mention cricket as in Bristol it's the clubs that promote themselves along racial lines that cause the biggest problems and invariably have the worst disciplinery record. Guess you'll all be for and supportive of someone starting an EDL Gas branch as the vile EDL allow membership for all? As you mention cricket.................at GCCC you also don't see the range of ethnic backgrounds that you would expect to see for a game at which India, Pakistan, West Indies (and now Bangladesh) excel. It just goes to show that there is a wider 'issue' here in Bristol which not only applies to Rovers.
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