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Post by LJG on Apr 25, 2018 6:58:06 GMT
Diversity doesn't cause any issues, except when you and others try to make it do so That must be the most ill thought out statement I have ever seen, tell that to teenage girls from Rotherham and many many other places. I guess this will get me a telling off at best or a ban, but if it does I hope just a few of you goody goody types at least check a few details before posting such stupid posts. Are you not at all prepared to consider that you might be conflating a few very separate issues here? Positive discrimination or "affirmative action" as the Americans would have it, is a lazy and divisive method which creates the lowest common denominator for all. But this isn't positive discrimination this is just a community group. The Rotherham scandal was a horrific failure, bordering criminal negligence by police and social services for fear of being branded racist. But that's got nothing to do with these groups. These people are football supporters not systematic child abusers. The EDL are a group motivated by fear protesting what they see as the islamification of British (largely working class) communities. But that's not happening in this case - these groups are not protest groups they are actively trying to integrate their community into British football culture. They clear aren't exclusive on the grounds of race. The comparison with the EDL is about as appropriate as saying the Blue Diamond Club is worse than Al Qaida because at least Al Qaida don't discriminate on the grounds of age.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 25, 2018 7:01:41 GMT
That must be the most ill thought out statement I have ever seen, tell that to teenage girls from Rotherham and many many other places. I guess this will get me a telling off at best or a ban, but if it does I hope just a few of you goody goody types at least check a few details before posting such stupid posts. Are you not at all prepared to consider that you might be conflating a few very separate issues here? Positive discrimination or "affirmative action" as the Americans would have it, is a lazy and divisive method which creates the lowest common denominator for all. But this isn't positive discrimination this is just a community group. The Rotherham scandal was a horrific failure, bordering criminal negligence by police and social services for fear of being branded racist. But that's got nothing to do with these groups. These people are football supporters not systematic child abusers. The EDL are a group motivated by fear protesting what they see as the islamification of British (largely working class) communities. But that's not happening in this case - these groups are not protest groups they are actively trying to integrate their community into British football culture. They clear aren't exclusive on the grounds of race. The comparison with the EDL is about as appropriate as saying the Blue Diamond Club is worse than Al Qaida because at least Al Qaida don't discriminate on the grounds of age. Please check the bold print statement.
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Post by tutgas on Apr 25, 2018 7:02:34 GMT
The thing is BAME people will not just go to football on their own or as a couple in general as they would worry that they wouldnt be welcome. If you have a group like the bradford city group they feel more secure and in a short space of time are part of the fabric of the football club. If that happened at rovers it would be a major achievement and most people would be well chuffed. The racists and the racists who claim are not racists would be furious mind you but who cares about them? I am not happy at being called racist by this poster. The vast majority of people posting on this thread express their views in a calm, civil manner without resorting to language as used by him. I have Reported the post. Re Reported.... As has the post you posted on ‘feeling a bit down today’ 37 minutes ago with reference to the Muslim man in your garden
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Post by LJG on Apr 25, 2018 7:04:53 GMT
Are you not at all prepared to consider that you might be conflating a few very separate issues here? Positive discrimination or "affirmative action" as the Americans would have it, is a lazy and divisive method which creates the lowest common denominator for all. But this isn't positive discrimination this is just a community group. The Rotherham scandal was a horrific failure, bordering criminal negligence by police and social services for fear of being branded racist. But that's got nothing to do with these groups. These people are football supporters not systematic child abusers. The EDL are a group motivated by fear protesting what they see as the islamification of British (largely working class) communities. But that's not happening in this case - these groups are not protest groups they are actively trying to integrate their community into British football culture. They clear aren't exclusive on the grounds of race. The comparison with the EDL is about as appropriate as saying the Blue Diamond Club is worse than Al Qaida because at least Al Qaida don't discriminate on the grounds of age. Please check the bold print statement. Yeah I read that but I'm addressing the wider conversation we've had. What are your thoughts on what I've said?
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 25, 2018 7:09:50 GMT
Please check the bold print statement. Yeah I read that but I'm addressing the wider conversation we've had. What are your thoughts on what I've said? I already said above that I was done with that, it was only causing trouble. But when some one comes away with a post like the one I mention I feel it needs an answer. For you, do you ever think posters have at least two accounts ? They try hard to be different but little things link them.
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Post by LJG on Apr 25, 2018 7:17:54 GMT
Yeah I read that but I'm addressing the wider conversation we've had. What are your thoughts on what I've said? I already said above that I was done with that, it was only causing trouble. But when some one comes away with a post like the one I mention I feel it needs an answer. For you, do you ever think posters have at least two accounts ? They try hard to be different but little things link them. That's never occurred to me. I thought it wasn't possible because the mods can see IP addresses and things like that. Who do you think is the same as whom?
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Post by tutgas on Apr 25, 2018 7:20:21 GMT
I am not happy at being called racist by this poster. The vast majority of people posting on this thread express their views in a calm, civil manner without resorting to language as used by him. I have Reported the post. Re Reported.... As has the post you posted on ‘feeling a bit down today’ 37 minutes ago with reference to the Muslim man in your garden Nobbygas. Thank you for removing your vile attempt at humour from the feeling a bit down today section of gentleman’s lunch which referenced a Muslim man being invited to your house for dinner and you discussing his wife’s affair. It was reported and a screen shot was taken beforehand but I appreciate you removing the offending post. It’s funny how a simple post can show what we really believe...
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 25, 2018 7:23:15 GMT
I already said above that I was done with that, it was only causing trouble. But when some one comes away with a post like the one I mention I feel it needs an answer. For you, do you ever think posters have at least two accounts ? They try hard to be different but little things link them. That's never occurred to me. I thought it wasn't possible because the mods can see IP addresses and things like that. Who do you think is the same as whom? Never you mind. I have work to do now, have a great day and maybe we can continue later ? I have no issue with who ever wants to watch Rovers but please lets not have 'special' groups.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 25, 2018 7:25:56 GMT
Are you saying that those with a belief in God and the bible should be made a joke of and segregated then? You see it as a laugh by your emoji but change religious supporters to black people and how funny would it sound then? Again what is it with someones skin colour with you people is it so hard to understand that i see all colours as one race ,it fair makes i bleed purple pish every time people try to make a point by mentioning skin colour with religion. Religion was invented to keep weak minded fools in line ,religion has and is still destroying the world so yup stand in the corner ,may i ask what religion you follow.
Diversity causes more issues than it solves as it makes people stand out as different, so instead of religion can we send the deaf gingers to the corner instead
Religion wasn't invented as you think it may be. There has been religion for as long as man has been on the earth. You are suggesting that if anyone has a faith, they must be stupid, lack direction and are gullible. Some with religion may say the same of those without a faith! I'm a JW by the way, with all the perceptions that has and I am sure you will disagree with facets of what I believe, I wouldn't discuss it openly here unless asked or by PM, because there is a time and a place. And I have heard all the insults, banter and micky taking you could ever throw over the years, for the large part, its water of a ducks back, some I even find really funny myself and I just ignore the ill informed, as no matter what you say to them, they will never understand. You say you see all people as one race, and yet races are made up of religions as well, it defines in inner person as well as their skin colour, so even you making a throw away comment of deaf gingers shows that you are intolerant of some and that makes you just as pig ignorant as the rest.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 25, 2018 7:32:18 GMT
The thing is BAME people will not just go to football on their own or as a couple in general as they would worry that they wouldnt be welcome. If you have a group like the bradford city group they feel more secure and in a short space of time are part of the fabric of the football club. If that happened at rovers it would be a major achievement and most people would be well chuffed. The racists and the racists who claim are not racists would be furious mind you but who cares about them? I am not happy at being called racist by this poster. The vast majority of people posting on this thread express their views in a calm, civil manner without resorting to language as used by him. I have Reported the post. I didn't take it that it was directly calling anyone here racist, just saying that if a large number of BAME supporters started supporting Rovers be it under a BAME group banner or just because they turned up, the only people that would be upset are those that are racist or intolerant.
if a local pillar of a community wants to start a Sikh Rovers group or something, are people on here honestly going to protest against it?
NO ONE is advocating special treatment. No one is saying get in for a fiver if you produce your landing card, or if you can prove your dad is a Gurkha or something.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 25, 2018 7:48:29 GMT
Funny you should mention cricket as in Bristol it's the clubs that promote themselves along racial lines that cause the biggest problems and invariably have the worst disciplinery record. Guess you'll all be for and supportive of someone starting an EDL Gas branch as the vile EDL allow membership for all? What on earth does the EDL have to do as to wether we try to support our Fans from our local BAME Community. Please, please, please don’t tell me you are insinuating the 2 groups are in some way similar. The English Defence League is a far-right street protest movement which focuses on opposition to what it considers to be a spread of Islamism and Sharia in the United Kingdom. The Bangla Bantams are a multicultural Derby County Football supporters group. I’m speechless 😶 I'll make it simple for you on this thread it has been mentioned or proposed that groups with names like Pakistani pirates would be appropriate as they would welcome members from all communities regardless of the racial overtones in their name. Similarly the EDL accepts members from all communities regardless of race even though the racial overtone of their name suggests otherwise. So yes it is very relevant to what is being proposed on here. Sorry for making you think outside your narrow views. PS you might be interested to know that Bradford City are known as the Bantams and Derby County as the Rams, always happy to educate people on here
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 25, 2018 7:50:08 GMT
It's clear that this subject is going to be consistently derailed by the same people talking the same sh**e over and over.
How about you all go and discuss FOOTBALL on a FOOTBALL forum.
I'm not going to deal with any reported posts or users on either side of the debate.
Thread locked.
Again.
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