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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2018 9:28:04 GMT
Precisely, I don't really get their game as whenever challenged they deny they are anti Wael/the ALQ's etc, are they really just attention seekers who like to see their threads as the most popular on Gaschat, or do they have more sinister intentions. If so, I assume it's somebody in the background really pulling the strings, rather than just two fans acting alone to try and destroy the good work the owners are doing. Wrong Of course the current owners have means of injecting capital form outside sources I have NEVER said that they could not. Try again to infer something that I have never said. But that's just the problem isn't it? You put everything in such vague terms the only way to get anything out of your posts is by inference. You and GasinCider both talk in oblique allusions like interchangeably using 'we' and 'them' to refer variously to the club or the owners. Saying "they haven't got the money" and then saying "I've never said the owners can't fund us" is exactly your modus operandi. Both of you. Because strictly speaking you haven't said that; its a matter of interpretation who "they" are. But neither of you will just come out and make your point so that people can decide for themselves whether its right or wrong. Instead of doing that you both want to make ill defined claims and accusations and when challenged on them say "Wrong" "Fake news" or "I've never said that". I invited GasinCider to state his point clearly and unequivocally and he refused. I invite you to do the same being clear about the parties to whom you are referring are - the club, the Al Qadi family etc. Over to you.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2018 11:08:17 GMT
Look, let's be honest here. Nobody has a 'hidden agenda' or anything sinister. It's just different peoples views of what is happening at Rovers. Yes, there is speculation and guesswork involved, and this is because of the lack of communication from the club. Some people are happy with the improvements at the Mem. Others view it as just prolonging the demise of the club. Yes, it is good to see improvements being made at the Mem, nobody denies that, but for some (me included) it doesn't improve our views of the long-term viability and progress of the club. Previous owners (GD and NH) are constantly criticized on here from some for their lack of investment in the Mem, but this was because both men believed there was no long-term future for the club at the Mem. They were both desperate to find another home, and in fairness, NH came within an hairsbreath of pulling it off. We've now owned a field in South Glos for sixteen months, and we've still to see any planning application go in to the Council. Is it any wonder why some are questioning the direction the club are going? It's like we (the fans) are on the deck of an old sailing ship. We don't know the destination, we don't know what direction we are going, we don't know how long it will take, we don't know whose hand controls the Tiller, and the Captain refuses to tell us anything......we're just on the deck, never knowing if the ship will lurch to Port or Starboard, trying to guess at all these things. Pretty sure we just a football club sailing along virtually most other lower league clubs, it's the constant drip, drip, feed of the "ciders" who make fans think we're about to capsize. Perhaps we're not going to get a new stadium but at least we don't seem hours away from admin and, at long last, some money is being spent on the Mem plus we have a good manager and a decent playing squad. Who knows we might also actually get decent shirt sponsors this season.
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Post by cj on Jun 12, 2018 11:11:50 GMT
33 pages in and....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 11:27:19 GMT
Look, let's be honest here. Nobody has a 'hidden agenda' or anything sinister. It's just different peoples views of what is happening at Rovers. Yes, there is speculation and guesswork involved, and this is because of the lack of communication from the club. Some people are happy with the improvements at the Mem. Others view it as just prolonging the demise of the club. Yes, it is good to see improvements being made at the Mem, nobody denies that, but for some (me included) it doesn't improve our views of the long-term viability and progress of the club. Previous owners (GD and NH) are constantly criticized on here from some for their lack of investment in the Mem, but this was because both men believed there was no long-term future for the club at the Mem. They were both desperate to find another home, and in fairness, NH came within an hairsbreath of pulling it off. We've now owned a field in South Glos for sixteen months, and we've still to see any planning application go in to the Council. Is it any wonder why some are questioning the direction the club are going? It's like we (the fans) are on the deck of an old sailing ship. We don't know the destination, we don't know what direction we are going, we don't know how long it will take, we don't know whose hand controls the Tiller, and the Captain refuses to tell us anything......we're just on the deck, never knowing if the ship will lurch to Port or Starboard, trying to guess at all these things. Pretty sure we just a football club sailing along virtually most other lower league clubs, it's the constant drip, drip, feed of the "ciders" who make fans think we're about to capsize. Perhaps we're not going to get a new stadium but at least we don't seem hours away from admin and, at long last, some money is being spent on the Mem plus we have a good manager and a decent playing squad. Who knows we might also actually get decent shirt sponsors this season. But for how long will DC put up with the situation?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 12, 2018 11:29:22 GMT
Pretty sure we just a football club sailing along virtually most other lower league clubs, it's the constant drip, drip, feed of the "ciders" who make fans think we're about to capsize. Perhaps we're not going to get a new stadium but at least we don't seem hours away from admin and, at long last, some money is being spent on the Mem plus we have a good manager and a decent playing squad. Who knows we might also actually get decent shirt sponsors this season. But for how long will DC put up with the situation? To be Honest, i'm surprised he is still here ! Better options will be heading his way very soon
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 12, 2018 11:37:29 GMT
Pretty sure we just a football club sailing along virtually most other lower league clubs, it's the constant drip, drip, feed of the "ciders" who make fans think we're about to capsize. Perhaps we're not going to get a new stadium but at least we don't seem hours away from admin and, at long last, some money is being spent on the Mem plus we have a good manager and a decent playing squad. Who knows we might also actually get decent shirt sponsors this season. But for how long will DC put up with the situation? What situation? The made up negative one or the made up positive one?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 11:42:07 GMT
But for how long will DC put up with the situation? What situation? The made up negative one or the made up positive one? The realistic one.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 12, 2018 11:51:03 GMT
What situation? The made up negative one or the made up positive one? The realistic one. But none of us know the realistic one so there may be no situation at all!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 11:53:28 GMT
33 pages in and.... You read the Fiji Sun? Absolute scum paper.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 12, 2018 11:56:22 GMT
Pretty sure we just a football club sailing along virtually most other lower league clubs, it's the constant drip, drip, feed of the "ciders" who make fans think we're about to capsize. Perhaps we're not going to get a new stadium but at least we don't seem hours away from admin and, at long last, some money is being spent on the Mem plus we have a good manager and a decent playing squad. Who knows we might also actually get decent shirt sponsors this season. But for how long will DC put up with the situation? why do we worry about DC. If he keeps doing his thing he will be gone one day sooner or later anyway
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 11:58:58 GMT
But for how long will DC put up with the situation? why do we worry about DC. If he keeps doing his thing he will be gone one day sooner or later anyway It's the sooner rather than later bit that worries.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 12, 2018 11:59:04 GMT
Look, let's be honest here. Nobody has a 'hidden agenda' or anything sinister. It's just different peoples views of what is happening at Rovers. Yes, there is speculation and guesswork involved, and this is because of the lack of communication from the club. Some people are happy with the improvements at the Mem. Others view it as just prolonging the demise of the club. Yes, it is good to see improvements being made at the Mem, nobody denies that, but for some (me included) it doesn't improve our views of the long-term viability and progress of the club. Previous owners (GD and NH) are constantly criticized on here from some for their lack of investment in the Mem, but this was because both men believed there was no long-term future for the club at the Mem. They were both desperate to find another home, and in fairness, NH came within an hairsbreath of pulling it off. We've now owned a field in South Glos for sixteen months, and we've still to see any planning application go in to the Council. Is it any wonder why some are questioning the direction the club are going? It's like we (the fans) are on the deck of an old sailing ship. We don't know the destination, we don't know what direction we are going, we don't know how long it will take, we don't know whose hand controls the Tiller, and the Captain refuses to tell us anything......we're just on the deck, never knowing if the ship will lurch to Port or Starboard, trying to guess at all these things.and we have run out of Life rafts with the ship sinking ! Not sure we are sinking, more a case of someone looking at the portholes and assuming water will get in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 12:01:32 GMT
and we have run out of Life rafts with the ship sinking ! Not sure we are sinking, more a case of someone looking at the portholes and assuming water will get in. The problem with this analogy of course, is that not many other clubs have portholes. They have modern ocean going ships !
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Post by cj on Jun 12, 2018 12:01:42 GMT
33 pages in and.... You read the Fiji Sun? Absolute scum paper. Of course not. Fiji Daily Sport all the way
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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2018 12:06:21 GMT
Not sure we are sinking, more a case of someone looking at the portholes and assuming water will get in. The problem with this analogy of course, is that not many other clubs have portholes. They have modern ocean going ships ! Which the captain has to keep running below decks to bail out. Some are just lucky that instead of a bucket their captain owns a stirrup pump.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 12, 2018 12:06:52 GMT
why do we worry about DC. If he keeps doing his thing he will be gone one day sooner or later anyway It's the sooner rather than later bit that worries. One more season and then he'll reasses where we (and he) are. Playoffs or better and infrastructure progressing then he will stay longer, should we finish mid table with no further movement off the pitch then he'll be looking to move on. If it's true that he has freedom to do what he wants on the playing front without interference, then I wouldn't underestimate that either.
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Post by cj on Jun 12, 2018 12:07:05 GMT
why do we worry about DC. If he keeps doing his thing he will be gone one day sooner or later anyway It's the sooner rather than later bit that worries. The amount of time managers hold on to their jobs are short nowadays. DC is 7th in the table for longest serving manager at current club. Just a matter of time really. But at least we should get a good fee for him if a club wants him (you know, the standard £300k release clause). Instead of a rolling 12 month contract he has a long term contract. Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 12:10:32 GMT
It's the sooner rather than later bit that worries. The amount of time managers hold on to their jobs are short nowadays. DC is 7th in the table for longest serving manager at current club. Just a matter of time really. But at least we should get a good fee for him if a club wants him (you know, the standard £300k release clause). Instead of a rolling 12 month contract he has a long term contract. Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Let's use Paul Hurst as an example. One good season in Div 1, and he's off to the Championship.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 12, 2018 12:13:33 GMT
Not sure we are sinking, more a case of someone looking at the portholes and assuming water will get in. The problem with this analogy of course, is that not many other clubs have portholes. They have modern ocean going ships ! With a top heavy superstructure, costly gas turbine engines and passengers paying a premium. Besides, they are too big to fit up Shxx Creek which is where I thought we were berthed 🙈
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jun 12, 2018 12:14:18 GMT
But none of us know the realistic one so there may be no situation at all!
I think there in lie's the whole point of this thread. I don't think its the club that needs to change it's us, the supporters, because we rightly don't know all the ins and outs anymore.
It's not like under Higgs when everybody was in the know, even blokes down the pub who supported man united and my mum who can't stand football even knew what was happening down the Rovers before it became officially public. But as pointed out before, because we're ran by professionals now who don't tell every man and his dog the ins and outs, the people who enjoyed that sense of knowingness and felt closer to the club are now starting to say anything and everything to receive the same limelight. It being the summer and no football on probably doesn't help either.
All I can say to those people is...find a different hobby... I know I previously criticised love island, but the preview for tonight's episode is Adam has upset Rosie somehow and left us on a major cliffhanger!!! Don't knock it till you've tried it...
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