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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 19:21:42 GMT
A buying club will still have to pay the full whack of the contract. The one year bit is in the event of being sacked. Who in their right minds would sign such a contract, basically you have to work for your employer's for 5 years, if you like it or not, but they can sack you with a years notice. What's in for DC more than the usual one year rolling contract would give him? Its utter nonsense! Although I guess this also fits with the present anti Wael/the ALQ's agenda. It is not nonsense. Do some checks and you will find it's standard......and please, this is nothing to do with any anti Wael/AQ agenda.
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Post by lpgas on Jun 12, 2018 20:21:08 GMT
Precisely, I don't really get their game as whenever challenged they deny they are anti Wael/the ALQ's etc, are they really just attention seekers who like to see their threads as the most popular on Gaschat, or do they have more sinister intentions. If so, I assume it's somebody in the background really pulling the strings, rather than just two fans acting alone to try and destroy the good work the owners are doing. I'm an attention seeker, but no one pays me any attention
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 20:33:20 GMT
I didnt realise that was standard in managers contract. I thought if a manager his a fair few years left of his contract, it will cost more for the buying club to get his services, like how it is for players. Cheers for that info. A buying club will still have to pay the full whack of the contract. The one year bit is in the event of being sacked. DC actually told me himself at a development match that he signed the 5 year contract for security for himself and family. Why would he lie?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2018 20:37:33 GMT
Who in their right minds would sign such a contract, basically you have to work for your employer's for 5 years, if you like it or not, but they can sack you with a years notice. What's in for DC more than the usual one year rolling contract would give him? Its utter nonsense! Although I guess this also fits with the present anti Wael/the ALQ's agenda. It is not nonsense. Do some checks and you will find it's standard......and please, this is nothing to do with any anti Wael/AQ agenda. Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Somebody says praise to Wael you respond with talk of DC only having a one year pay off, it's hardly supportive of the owners? Paul Tisdale had a two rolling contract at Exeter, Pardew is still being paid by Newcastle for his 5 year rolling contract, so unless you've seen the club or DC suggest somewhere he still only has a 1 year rolling contract there's nothing to say DC's isn't similar to Pardew's. As I said before what's in it for DC to agree to a 5 year contract if he can get the boot tomorrow with a 1 year pay off?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 20:49:03 GMT
It is not nonsense. Do some checks and you will find it's standard......and please, this is nothing to do with any anti Wael/AQ agenda. Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Somebody says praise to Wael you respond with talk of DC only having a one year pay off, it's hardly supportive of the owners? Paul Tisdale had a two rolling contract at Exeter, Pardew is still being paid by Newcastle for his 5 year rolling contract, so unless you've seen the club or DC suggest somewhere he still only has a 1 year rolling contract there's nothing to say DC's isn't similar to Pardew's. As I said before what's in it for DC to agree to a 5 year contract if he can get the boot tomorrow with a 1 year pay off? Sorry, but I am not going to get involved in this silly 'you said, he said' type of discussion. What I have said about manager's contracts is just something I have read. Please stop this nonsense about anything being said is anti the AQ family. It is nothing of the sort and you are just trying to divide fans.
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Post by pirate on Jun 12, 2018 21:00:05 GMT
In answer to the title question...
No.
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Post by blueridge on Jun 12, 2018 21:19:16 GMT
It is not nonsense. Do some checks and you will find it's standard......and please, this is nothing to do with any anti Wael/AQ agenda. Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Somebody says praise to Wael you respond with talk of DC only having a one year pay off, it's hardly supportive of the owners? Paul Tisdale had a two rolling contract at Exeter, Pardew is still being paid by Newcastle for his 5 year rolling contract, so unless you've seen the club or DC suggest somewhere he still only has a 1 year rolling contract there's nothing to say DC's isn't similar to Pardew's. As I said before what's in it for DC to agree to a 5 year contract if he can get the boot tomorrow with a 1 year pay off? I would imagine contracts are bespoke for each club and manager with a degree of protection built in for both parties. A manager cannot be sacked necessarily on a whim of the owners but equally an underperforming manager will find himself at risk of dismissal. There may well be a performance based clause in the contract which gives the owners the right to dismiss if for example a team is relegated or does not reach a certain position within the league. If the manager and his team meet the requirements of the 'performance clause' within the contract he will be safe unless of course the club want to get rid of him anyway and in that case the owners will have to pay up his remaining contract or negotiate a settlement fee. Equally if another club comes in for the Manager they will also have to pay up his contract or come to an agreement regarding payment for his release.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jun 12, 2018 22:12:45 GMT
For the love of god, surely this deserves a ban, or at the very least a suspension from the Bloke's Club ! I think he needs to seek Medical help before its too late Tell you what lads, there's a bloke on there called Eyal who makes Matty Taylor look like the type of bloke who you'd let get with your daughter and invite round for Sunday roast. Whens the next blokes club meeting? We can all discuss how unfairly Alex has been treated and how much a mug Rosie is for taking Adam back. Oh yeah up the gas and all that too....
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Post by cj on Jun 12, 2018 22:16:02 GMT
It is not nonsense. Do some checks and you will find it's standard......and please, this is nothing to do with any anti Wael/AQ agenda. Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Somebody says praise to Wael you respond with talk of DC only having a one year pay off, it's hardly supportive of the owners? Paul Tisdale had a two rolling contract at Exeter, Pardew is still being paid by Newcastle for his 5 year rolling contract, so unless you've seen the club or DC suggest somewhere he still only has a 1 year rolling contract there's nothing to say DC's isn't similar to Pardew's. As I said before what's in it for DC to agree to a 5 year contract if he can get the boot tomorrow with a 1 year pay off? Topper, I took Nobby's comment (which was a reply to me) as him just correcting what I thought was the case. I didn't see his comment as anti board. I thought getting DC to sign a 5 year deal would be good as if a club came calling for his services, we would command a high fee as he got a fair few years remaining. I then added some would moan though as if we need to sack DC then it would be a big compo payment to DC. Nobby was just replying back that he thought its standard now to have in managers contracts that they only get a 1 year pay off, not all the years remaining on his contract. I cant see anything in that to suggest Nobby was being anti anything. Regarding what he said, I didn't know it was standard for only 1 year pay off. That's good for us though if that is the case. We get a good pay out from a club who takes DC (if it happens of course) and if true, we only pay a year pay off. A win win for the club. Lets hope though DC stays put and Wael does what he can to help DC with that decision. Having a development squad, extra backroom staff, new pitch a the 5 year contract (security for DC) can only be positives for DC to help make him stay. And I haven't mentioned new training ground and redeveloped stadium yet. Only because that will probably create more arguments.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 22:24:27 GMT
Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Somebody says praise to Wael you respond with talk of DC only having a one year pay off, it's hardly supportive of the owners? Paul Tisdale had a two rolling contract at Exeter, Pardew is still being paid by Newcastle for his 5 year rolling contract, so unless you've seen the club or DC suggest somewhere he still only has a 1 year rolling contract there's nothing to say DC's isn't similar to Pardew's. As I said before what's in it for DC to agree to a 5 year contract if he can get the boot tomorrow with a 1 year pay off? Sorry, but I am not going to get involved in this silly 'you said, he said' type of discussion. What I have said about manager's contracts is just something I have read. Please stop this nonsense about anything being said is anti the AQ family. It is nothing of the sort and you are just trying to divide fans. I read gangsta granny by david walliams but i knew it wasnt true.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jun 13, 2018 8:22:42 GMT
It is not nonsense. Do some checks and you will find it's standard......and please, this is nothing to do with any anti Wael/AQ agenda. Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Somebody says praise to Wael you respond with talk of DC only having a one year pay off, it's hardly supportive of the owners? Paul Tisdale had a two rolling contract at Exeter, Pardew is still being paid by Newcastle for his 5 year rolling contract, so unless you've seen the club or DC suggest somewhere he still only has a 1 year rolling contract there's nothing to say DC's isn't similar to Pardew's. As I said before what's in it for DC to agree to a 5 year contract if he can get the boot tomorrow with a 1 year pay off? Yep and Exeter gave him notice under his 2 year rolling contract in Oct 16 and he has now left the club as he didn't want to sign the new contract offered. Think I'll rely on nobbys info rather than relt on Toppers world
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 8:51:28 GMT
The idea that Newcastle are still paying Pardew under a 'five year rolling contract' is just total nonsense. First off, it's laughable to talk about a 'five year rolling contract', and secondly, when Pardew signed a contract at West Brom, any obligations Newcastle had ended, right there.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2018 9:09:28 GMT
The idea that Newcastle are still paying Pardew under a 'five year rolling contract' is just total nonsense. First off, it's laughable to talk about a 'five year rolling contract', and secondly, when Pardew signed a contract at West Brom, any obligations Newcastle had ended, right there. I think nobby is right here. Also I was under the impression that managers got a years severance, but it’s not a lump sum up front, as technically, managers are put on gardening leave, they are inactive employees of the club free to seek alternative employment. But if the manager you sacked was employed 3 months later by another club then there was no obligation to carry on paying up to 12 months, effectively his employment finishes when he signs terms with a new club.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2018 9:13:24 GMT
Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Somebody says praise to Wael you respond with talk of DC only having a one year pay off, it's hardly supportive of the owners? Paul Tisdale had a two rolling contract at Exeter, Pardew is still being paid by Newcastle for his 5 year rolling contract, so unless you've seen the club or DC suggest somewhere he still only has a 1 year rolling contract there's nothing to say DC's isn't similar to Pardew's. As I said before what's in it for DC to agree to a 5 year contract if he can get the boot tomorrow with a 1 year pay off? Yep and Exeter gave him notice under his 2 year rolling contract in Oct 16 and he has now left the club as he didn't want to sign the new contract offered. Think I'll rely on nobbys info rather than relt on Toppers world I think it was notice that his current terms were not sustainable to carry on and fresh terms were to be given 24 months hence, and new terms were offered, if he chose not to sign those terms he could choose to leave. In that regard Tisdale wasn’t sacked or put on leave, there was a right of activation clause that the club had. Probably a similar clause was in for Tisdale that if a higher club came calling it released him for talks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 9:18:44 GMT
The idea that Newcastle are still paying Pardew under a 'five year rolling contract' is just total nonsense. First off, it's laughable to talk about a 'five year rolling contract', and secondly, when Pardew signed a contract at West Brom, any obligations Newcastle had ended, right there. I think nobby is right here. Also I was under the impression that managers got a years severance, but it’s not a lump sum up front, as technically, managers are put on gardening leave, they are inactive employees of the club free to seek alternative employment. But if the manager you sacked was employed 3 months later by another club then there was no obligation to carry on paying up to 12 months, effectively his employment finishes when he signs terms with a new club. My guess is that a years severance following sacking is common practice although clubs/managers are obviously free to negotiate any such clauses at the time they are appointed. A manager getting his first job will probably have less favourable terms than a very in demand, top level manager e.g Mourinho. The severance payment is often made as a monthly/weekly continuation of wages whilst under gardening leave. If the manager then secures work elsewhere he has to give up his future entitlement - that's why you often find a settlement negotiated allowing a clean break. You get the odd exception like Sven who was only interested in money and happy to sit around collecting his wages from the Fa for years with no concern of being left outside the game for an extended period !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 9:22:21 GMT
To be fair, just what is the average time a manager spends at any club? Two, three years? I'm sure someone has that stat somewhere. Anyway, to get a full years pay after only working for two or three years is still a bloody good pay off, and far far more than people get in 'normal' jobs!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 9:29:49 GMT
Hi guys.. page 35 huh... has something happened then er wat?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jun 13, 2018 9:35:23 GMT
Yep and Exeter gave him notice under his 2 year rolling contract in Oct 16 and he has now left the club as he didn't want to sign the new contract offered. Think I'll rely on nobbys info rather than relt on Toppers world I think it was notice that his current terms were not sustainable to carry on and fresh terms were to be given 24 months hence, and new terms were offered, if he chose not to sign those terms he could choose to leave. In that regard Tisdale wasn’t sacked or put on leave, there was a right of activation clause that the club had. Probably a similar clause was in for Tisdale that if a higher club came calling it released him for talks. My understanding exactly Exeter wanted to switch to the standard year's notice/compensation not the 2 years they were on the hook for.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jun 13, 2018 9:41:14 GMT
The amount of time managers hold on to their jobs are short nowadays. DC is 7th in the table for longest serving manager at current club. Just a matter of time really. But at least we should get a good fee for him if a club wants him (you know, the standard £300k release clause). Instead of a rolling 12 month contract he has a long term contract. Praise to Wael for getting this done. I am sure though some will moan about this like if we sack him then it will be a big pay off so club will lose money. If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Let's use Paul Hurst as an example. One good season in Div 1, and he's off to the Championship. Don't forget DC had the chance to go to Leeds but he stayed with us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 9:51:44 GMT
If DC were sacked he'd only get one years pay off. It's standard now in Manager's Contracts. Let's use Paul Hurst as an example. One good season in Div 1, and he's off to the Championship. Don't forget DC had the chance to go to Leeds but he stayed with us. Thank god he did. However, DC has made it quite clear he is ambitious. Do you think the lack of any news regarding the training ground or stadium will keep him here?
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