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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 24, 2018 21:32:45 GMT
Just tried to listen to the interview but got bored after 10 mins as DM sounds more like he's dealing with property sales than players, not sure any of us want to hear SH explaining what he was hoping to get for EH, TL and TB etc for 45 mins.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 21:46:40 GMT
Taylor would have never re-signed that summer if he didn't have that clause in his contract and we would've got nothing for him. His value as an asset should have been recognised much earlier while we were in the conference. In the interview mccanthony clearly stated they had to sell a player way below his real value because of a release clause. No different from what happened to rovers.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 24, 2018 21:47:37 GMT
He’s someone else’s chairman and thankfully not ours. He may be open and refreshing when he’s sat on a beach holding forth but is he being honest? I don’t know and because he’s nothing to do with BRFC I don’t really care. But I am glad we don’t have him or his manager anywhere near us. For all his self promotion, manic transfer approach and regular pontificating on Sky he’s finished a few places above us over the last few seasons. I’m not sure what the AlQadis could learn from him. Yes, a bit better communication would be good but every time they have communicated at length they have got a fair bit of criticism. Blimey, Steve Hamer came out and said about working to get a replacement for Ellis in today and has received a fair bit of criticism over his use of words. Laughable! Bloke can’t win. Our owners have got on and done stuff, I’ve listed it in the past and to add to it this close season they have got some very good players into the club. Upson, Matthews, THD, Reilly, Rodman all appear to be an improvement on what has gone (of course until the season starts in earnest then we won’t be sure but they “appear” to be ok). The improvement to the Mem, looking to improve income streams with the new stands is all concrete stuff. Much rather have owners who do stuff and I’ve said it before but these owners have done exactly what they said they would do through evolution. I know that there are other different opinions as there always are and many will not agree but it’s a Forum and that makes the Forum go round and round and round and...... 4th August can’t come soon enough! UTG!
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Post by pirate on Jul 24, 2018 21:53:18 GMT
His value as an asset should have been recognised much earlier while we were in the conference. In the interview mccanthony clearly stated they had to sell a player way below his real value because of a release clause. No different from what happened to rovers. The release clause he was talking about is 2.5mil for the midfielder Marcus Maddison. He is still there. Bit different to a 300k release clause for a striker that scored 68 in 132 games.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 24, 2018 21:55:18 GMT
Watched the whole interview. Brilliant interview and a fans dream for information. Put mccanthony in a different light to be honest even though the interview was slightly self serving. Must admit though i would take 5th in the league with poor communication from owners over 10th in the league with great communication. Well done to the op for posting the interview. Come on bluebutterfly you were taken in by that? Yes you were right “slightly self serving”, and the rest. He is all about DMAC nothing else. He was more about promoting himself. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 21:58:54 GMT
In the interview mccanthony clearly stated they had to sell a player way below his real value because of a release clause. No different from what happened to rovers. The release clause he was talking about is 2.5mil for the midfielder Marcus Maddison. He is still there. Bit different to a 300k release clause for a striker that scored 68 in 132 games. Hopefully some time in the near future people will move on from matty taylor just like me and darrell clarke have.
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Post by pirate on Jul 24, 2018 22:00:12 GMT
The release clause he was talking about is 2.5mil for the midfielder Marcus Maddison. He is still there. Bit different to a 300k release clause for a striker that scored 68 in 132 games. Hopefully some time in the near future people will move on from matty taylor just like me and darrell clarke have. I moved on the day he left.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 22:11:40 GMT
Watched the whole interview. Brilliant interview and a fans dream for information. Put mccanthony in a different light to be honest even though the interview was slightly self serving. Must admit though i would take 5th in the league with poor communication from owners over 10th in the league with great communication. Well done to the op for posting the interview. Come on bluebutterfly you were taken in by that? Yes you were right “slightly self serving”, and the rest. He is all about DMAC nothing else. He was more about promoting himself. UTG! I wouldnt mind if wael gave an interview explaining how hes been abroad in holland with the team watching them train. Then wael went onto explain how the ellis harrison outbound and the new signings coming in were secured. He could also give us an insight into past dealings like billy bodin etc etc. What is there not to like about that level of communication and passionate enthusiasm from your clubs owner.
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Post by althepirate on Jul 24, 2018 22:46:21 GMT
Talk is cheap. C'mon Steve give your support to the Gas, not another club. You have got into the negativity groove, it'll only make you miserable! Try looking at all the positive things that are happening with us.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 24, 2018 22:54:15 GMT
Come on bluebutterfly you were taken in by that? Yes you were right “slightly self serving”, and the rest. He is all about DMAC nothing else. He was more about promoting himself. UTG! I wouldnt mind if wael gave an interview explaining how hes been abroad in holland with the team watching them train. Then wael went onto explain how the ellis harrison outbound and the new signings coming in were secured. He could also give us an insight into past dealings like billy bodin etc etc. What is there not to like about that level of communication and passionate enthusiasm from your clubs owner. Fair enough bb, as I’ve said, different views. But the bloke is still a self-promoting publicist who I’m glad has nothing to do with us. Why do we need to know the inside dealings of transactions? I suspect we only heard stuff the guy wanted us to hear and not the stuff he didn’t want us to hear. The fact that other clubs have picked up this stuff probably means he’s done exactly what he wanted to. But it’s nothing to do with BRFC so why care and it doesn’t warrant much space. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 22:59:09 GMT
I wouldnt mind if wael gave an interview explaining how hes been abroad in holland with the team watching them train. Then wael went onto explain how the ellis harrison outbound and the new signings coming in were secured. He could also give us an insight into past dealings like billy bodin etc etc. What is there not to like about that level of communication and passionate enthusiasm from your clubs owner. Fair enough bb, as I’ve said, different views. But the bloke is still a self-promoting publicist who I’m glad has nothing to do with us. Why do we need to know the inside dealings of transactions? I suspect we only heard stuff the guy wanted us to hear and not the stuff he didn’t want us to hear. The fact that other clubs have picked up this stuff probably means he’s done exactly what he wanted to. But it’s nothing to do with BRFC so why care and it doesn’t warrant much space. UTG! I just think the op felt this was a good interview for fans and would like something similar at rovers and i agree with him on that. Its relevant to rovers because many fans feel communication from our owners has been poor.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 24, 2018 23:16:02 GMT
BB, I can understand all you’ve replied. It was interesting but the point I was making was that you only heard what he wanted you to hear and that I would not want him as part of BRFC. And yes it was relevant. I just hope it doesn’t develop into a 10 page thread comparing the two clubs.😀 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 23:35:25 GMT
BB, I can understand all you’ve replied. It was interesting but the point I was making was that you only heard what he wanted you to hear and that I would not want him as part of BRFC. And yes it was relevant. I just hope it doesn’t develop into a 10 page thread comparing the two clubs.😀 UTG! At the end of the day peterbro and rovers have been pretty much equal teams for 2 seasons,i will take a play-off place over good communication any day. Its just a side issue really but i liked the interview.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jul 25, 2018 8:11:17 GMT
But giving him a contract with the right of automatic renewal in the clubs favour, in turn for increased wages, wouldn't have caused any uproar. How do we know this wasn't offered? I don't and you don't. I was only offering an alternative to a 3 year contract that you obviously couldn't see
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jul 25, 2018 8:24:33 GMT
He’s someone else’s chairman and thankfully not ours. He may be open and refreshing when he’s sat on a beach holding forth but is he being honest? I don’t know and because he’s nothing to do with BRFC I don’t really care. But I am glad we don’t have him or his manager anywhere near us. For all his self promotion, manic transfer approach and regular pontificating on Sky he’s finished a few places above us over the last few seasons. I’m not sure what the AlQadis could learn from him. Yes, a bit better communication would be good but every time they have communicated at length they have got a fair bit of criticism. Blimey, Steve Hamer came out and said about working to get a replacement for Ellis in today and has received a fair bit of criticism over his use of words. Laughable! Bloke can’t win. Our owners have got on and done stuff, I’ve listed it in the past and to add to it this close season they have got some very good players into the club. Upson, Matthews, THD, Reilly, Rodman all appear to be an improvement on what has gone (of course until the season starts in earnest then we won’t be sure but they “appear” to be ok). The improvement to the Mem, looking to improve income streams with the new stands is all concrete stuff. Much rather have owners who do stuff and I’ve said it before but these owners have done exactly what they said they would do through evolution. I know that there are other different opinions as there always are and many will not agree but it’s a Forum and that makes the Forum go round and round and round and...... 4th August can’t come soon enough! UTG! Not sure what the Al qadis could learn from him? How to make more money when you sell you're best players perhaps? I'm sure DM hasn't gone cap in hand to his nearest rivals asking for a gentlemans agreement not to sign each others players. Whilst I think the bloke is a bit of a cock, and I certainly wouldn't want the managers he signs, he does quite clearly make sure that transfers happen to suit Peterborough which is hardly representative of our recent transfer dealings. On top of that he has delivered a few short stints in the championship. Those that succeed in business usually learn and take a little bit from everyone they meet. Those that fail usually believe they know everything and are dismissive of anyone they dislike.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 25, 2018 11:24:41 GMT
He’s someone else’s chairman and thankfully not ours. He may be open and refreshing when he’s sat on a beach holding forth but is he being honest? I don’t know and because he’s nothing to do with BRFC I don’t really care. But I am glad we don’t have him or his manager anywhere near us. For all his self promotion, manic transfer approach and regular pontificating on Sky he’s finished a few places above us over the last few seasons. I’m not sure what the AlQadis could learn from him. Yes, a bit better communication would be good but every time they have communicated at length they have got a fair bit of criticism. Blimey, Steve Hamer came out and said about working to get a replacement for Ellis in today and has received a fair bit of criticism over his use of words. Laughable! Bloke can’t win. Our owners have got on and done stuff, I’ve listed it in the past and to add to it this close season they have got some very good players into the club. Upson, Matthews, THD, Reilly, Rodman all appear to be an improvement on what has gone (of course until the season starts in earnest then we won’t be sure but they “appear” to be ok). The improvement to the Mem, looking to improve income streams with the new stands is all concrete stuff. Much rather have owners who do stuff and I’ve said it before but these owners have done exactly what they said they would do through evolution. I know that there are other different opinions as there always are and many will not agree but it’s a Forum and that makes the Forum go round and round and round and...... 4th August can’t come soon enough! UTG! Not sure what the Al qadis could learn from him? How to make more money when you sell you're best players perhaps? I'm sure DM hasn't gone cap in hand to his nearest rivals asking for a gentlemans agreement not to sign each others players. Whilst I think the bloke is a bit of a cock, and I certainly wouldn't want the managers he signs, he does quite clearly make sure that transfers happen to suit Peterborough which is hardly representative of our recent transfer dealings. On top of that he has delivered a few short stints in the championship. Those that succeed in business usually learn and take a little bit from everyone they meet. Those that fail usually believe they know everything and are dismissive of anyone they dislike. Fair enough your opinion. Regarding the Taylor and Bodin situation, I’m not sure how those two situations could have been avoided. If anyone has an idea how to then it would be good to know. We got £300k for Taylor when we could have got nothing. I reckon that’s very good business but I guess others have different opinions. No idea how much Bodin went for but he wasn’t going to sign a new contract so whatever it was was more than we would have got this Summer. We could have offered 3-year contracts at the beginning perhaps but we know from the past where that can lead and at the time B.B. was a hospital case with injuries. I agree with much of your second and third paras, of course everyone can learn something it’s just that the guy only said what he wanted you to hear and much of what he says and does is all about self-promotion and as I’ve said before if he told me today was Wednesday I’d check the calendar first. The AlQadis inherited the contracts of both, perhaps contracts offered now are different and are written to avoid those situations. But in the end we don’t know do we and neither should we. Different views eh? UTG!
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jul 25, 2018 11:53:44 GMT
Not sure what the Al qadis could learn from him? How to make more money when you sell you're best players perhaps? I'm sure DM hasn't gone cap in hand to his nearest rivals asking for a gentlemans agreement not to sign each others players. Whilst I think the bloke is a bit of a cock, and I certainly wouldn't want the managers he signs, he does quite clearly make sure that transfers happen to suit Peterborough which is hardly representative of our recent transfer dealings. On top of that he has delivered a few short stints in the championship. Those that succeed in business usually learn and take a little bit from everyone they meet. Those that fail usually believe they know everything and are dismissive of anyone they dislike. Fair enough your opinion. Regarding the Taylor and Bodin situation, I’m not sure how those two situations could have been avoided. If anyone has an idea how to then it would be good to know. We got £300k for Taylor when we could have got nothing. I reckon that’s very good business but I guess others have different opinions. No idea how much Bodin went for but he wasn’t going to sign a new contract so whatever it was was more than we would have got this Summer. We could have offered 3-year contracts at the beginning perhaps but we know from the past where that can lead and at the time B.B. was a hospital case with injuries. I agree with much of your second and third paras, of course everyone can learn something it’s just that the guy only said what he wanted you to hear and much of what he says and does is all about self-promotion and as I’ve said before if he told me today was Wednesday I’d check the calendar first. The AlQadis inherited the contracts of both, perhaps contracts offered now are different and are written to avoid those situations. But in the end we don’t know do we and neither should we. Different views eh? UTG! Well glad we agree in part. Do you believe DM would've got only a combined fee of circa £800k if Taylor and Bodin had been Peterborough players? They are doing something different to us regarding contracts whether that is longer contracts or conditional contracts with an extension clause in favour of the club. In short whatever they are doing they appear not to be allowing players to run down their contracts. So yes I believe the Taylor / Bodin situation could've been better for rovers. However once Taylor was out of contract we did do well to get him back under contract however favourable that was for him. As to DM and Peterborough they seem to have a consistent policy in speculating to accumulate with young lower league talent.
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Post by althepirate on Jul 25, 2018 12:14:57 GMT
Anyone know when he was free no one was interested and when he was 300k someone bought him? I still think they only bought him to f**k us up.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 25, 2018 12:23:29 GMT
Again CGH I don’t disagree. I don’t know enough about the ins and outs of how Posh do it but I think they sign more players on 3 year contracts than we do and then at the end of two years if they won’t sign an extension, if the club want them to, they are transfer listed and they get whatever they can for them. But even they are finding it hard to shift Maddison and Marriott for the prices they want so will have to come donwn if they want to sell and get rid. The players don’t seem to be able to run down their contracts as you say. It is different but tbf to Rovers we were either non league or fresh out of it for MT and BB contracts and few teams in non league have players on 3 year contracts. With hindsight it could have been better for Rovers but my original point was with both players I don’t see that Rovers could have done anything different. You seem to be saying that we could have done better by offering longer contracts but that was never going to happen when MT signed his contract in 2014 and BB in Dec 2015 (?) and we probably know why. Now it might be different and perhaps with all this “undisclosed” stuff we are doing things a bit differently but even then the agents will know and share it with everyone anyway. UTG!
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Post by pirate on Jul 25, 2018 12:40:39 GMT
But even they are finding it hard to shift Maddison and Marriott for the prices they want so will have to come donwn if they want to sell and get rid. Maddison has a £2.5m release clause, so Peterborough are in a strong position with him. Marriott will join Derby within the next week or so for around £6mil, so good business from them.
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