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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2018 14:49:57 GMT
Keep up, assuming what we're told is correct they are purpose built stands being made in France. So why did you question on the Anniversary thread where the new stands were? You chop and change all the time. Because I don't know where they are?
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Post by baggins on Aug 3, 2018 14:51:57 GMT
So why did you question on the Anniversary thread where the new stands were? You chop and change all the time. Because I don't know where they are? Oh no, hasn't Wael texted you? You're obviously out of the loop buddy.
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Post by bluestone on Aug 3, 2018 15:00:04 GMT
My point is that I doubt anyone on this forum knows how long it takes from placement of order to the stand being delivered and completed ready for use. So it's presumptuous to assume that the club have screwed up unless you know all the facts. For all we know the decision to place an order may have been made 27th April but the lead in time to delivery may be 14 weeks meaning they are due on site today. For all we know the club may have ordered the new stand with an extra 6 weeks time to spare but have been let down by the suppliers. My point is you don't know and neither do I. But hey ho let's just carry on as usual speculating that it's all a big cock up by the club when there are no facts available to back this up. Fairs points but why sell tickets for stands unless you're certain they'll be constructed in time/approved to use plus why remove the SW stand until the new one had arrived given it was only built from scaffolding. Pretty sure we had similar issues with the old SW stand but no tickets were sold until they could be used. All of which may suggest the club had a high degree of confidence that the stands would be ready. For instance perhaps they had allowed extra time for any potential delays and also had a contingency plan in the event that they weren't ready such as making use of the South stand. Again, we just don't know so everything is speculation including what I have written above. Until such time as we know for sure it's a cock up of the club's own making then I for one am not prepared to bash them and I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They still have 7 days to get them in and from what we can tell they are in kit form so should be quick to put up. UTG!
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Post by contradiction on Aug 3, 2018 15:13:16 GMT
My point is that I doubt anyone on this forum knows how long it takes from placement of order to the stand being delivered and completed ready for use. So it's presumptuous to assume that the club have screwed up unless you know all the facts. For all we know the decision to place an order may have been made 27th April but the lead in time to delivery may be 14 weeks meaning they are due on site today. For all we know the club may have ordered the new stand with an extra 6 weeks time to spare but have been let down by the suppliers. My point is you don't know and neither do I. But hey ho let's just carry on as usual speculating that it's all a big cock up by the club when there are no facts available to back this up. Fairs points but why sell tickets for stands unless you're certain they'll be constructed in time Exactly what Harry Kane was saying apparently, 60,000 tickets as well
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Post by wertongas on Aug 3, 2018 15:14:06 GMT
As I detailed in my earlier thread and on here the delay is due to consultation with Bristol city planning dept, Tom G informed me some while back that delay in installation is being caused by planning which the club are currently working through it obviously takes time to get agreement with planning, we are working with Bristol city council who very rarely do us any favours.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 3, 2018 15:41:02 GMT
Meanwhile Salford City have rebuilt their ground over the summer and Accrington have put a new stand alongside the pitch where the open terrace was. All kit for from a British maker I believe
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Post by gasforeverman on Aug 3, 2018 15:53:50 GMT
Amatuer.club
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Aug 3, 2018 15:56:41 GMT
Fairs points but why sell tickets for stands unless you're certain they'll be constructed in time/approved to use plus why remove the SW stand until the new one had arrived given it was only built from scaffolding. Pretty sure we had similar issues with the old SW stand but no tickets were sold until they could be used. All of which may suggest the club had a high degree of confidence that the stands would be ready. For instance perhaps they had allowed extra time for any potential delays and also had a contingency plan in the event that they weren't ready such as making use of the South stand. Again, we just don't know so everything is speculation including what I have written above. Until such time as we know for sure it's a cock up of the club's own making then I for one am not prepared to bash them and I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They still have 7 days to get them in and from what we can tell they are in kit form so should be quick to put up. UTG! Great, just what we need on here, someone talking sense.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2018 16:14:05 GMT
As I detailed in my earlier thread and on here the delay is due to consultation with Bristol city planning dept, Tom G informed me some while back that delay in installation is being caused by planning which the club are currently working through it obviously takes time to get agreement with planning, we are working with Bristol city council who very rarely do us any favours. But we don't need planning permission for temporary stands, we need a Safety Certificate from BCC but that can't be obtained until the stands are in place and can be fully tested for safety/access etc. BCC have given us pp for every stadium planning application so they rarely let us down in any event.
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Post by wertongas on Aug 3, 2018 16:38:02 GMT
I didn't think the club needed full planning permission but they obviously require some form of agreement with planning, or they would not be in talks with planning dept, this info came from Tom G not me. Yes and I suppose we have got permission for planning permission from city council in the past.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2018 17:00:29 GMT
I didn't think the club needed full planning permission but they obviously require some form of agreement with planning, or they would not be in talks with planning dept, this info came from Tom G not me. Yes and I suppose we have got permission for planning permission from city council in the past. Because what you are suggesting doesn't make sense to me as if we're only at the planning stage it could be weeks, even months, before the stands are eventually ordered/built/delivered/constructed/approved for use. Plus how does this effect the SW Stand as we must already have some form of BCC agreement for that particular stand to be in place. Although the way things are going with the strikers I doubt we need more seating anyway as we'll struggle to fill what we've got.
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Post by gassygas on Aug 3, 2018 18:17:55 GMT
If we need planning permission we may be in trouble. Looking on the councils website I can't see any planning applications searching 'Bristol rovers', 'memorial' or the stadiums postcode since 2014.
I'm sure formal PP can't be needed for the new stand. Maybe being in kit form it is considered a temporary structure that doesn't need full PP?
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Post by Severncider on Aug 3, 2018 18:44:30 GMT
I didn't think the club needed full planning permission but they obviously require some form of agreement with planning, or they would not be in talks with planning dept, this info came from Tom G not me. Yes and I suppose we have got permission for planning permission from city council in the past. I hate to say this but I have little faith in what TG says.
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Post by rosssgb on Aug 3, 2018 18:52:07 GMT
For once I actually agree with one of the ‘Ciders. I won’t beleive another word the owners or TG say until I see the stands in place with my own eyes.
Training ground to new stands, beleive what you want but it’s all smoke and mirrors as far as I’m concerned.
How on earth we’re approaching the start of the season with one less stand than we finished with is laughable. Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the fact the Mem looks like Glastonbury but give me a tent over empty unused space anyday.
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Post by poorblue on Aug 3, 2018 20:26:34 GMT
I didn't think the club needed full planning permission but they obviously require some form of agreement with planning, or they would not be in talks with planning dept, this info came from Tom G not me. Yes and I suppose we have got permission for planning permission from city council in the past. Because what you are suggesting doesn't make sense to me as if we're only at the planning stage it could be weeks, even months, before the stands are eventually ordered/built/delivered/constructed/approved for use. Plus how does this effect the SW Stand as we must already have some form of BCC agreement for that particular stand to be in place. Although the way things are going with the strikers I doubt we need more seating anyway as we'll struggle to fill what we've got. It doesn't make sense to you because you are not in "The Know". When someone, even TG states they are talking to the Planners what they really mean in this case is the Building Control. Building Control is part of the Planning Dept. So when people talk of Planning it is a generic term covering multiple disciplines. The Structural Engineers also are part of the Planning Dept who check structures and approve them for Safety of Sports Ground works. I would expect the company selling these structures to have already designs safety approved in principle so location and installation would be all that is needed to get them in use.
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Post by wertongas on Aug 3, 2018 21:06:53 GMT
i did use to work as a senior officer on a local council and did have to consult with planning. You are correct poorblue the planning dept still need to be consulted over any proposed works as it is they who decide what permission is required so they need to see plans and discuss proposals with the sapplicant even if planning permission is not needed, building control would also have to be consulted as they will need to ensure that any mechanism used to attach the stands to the ground is safe, that no services are adversely effected by the installation, and that the stands are of a suitable construction, building control may want to inspect the site while works are taking place.
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Post by fabregas on Aug 3, 2018 22:00:07 GMT
Let’s make a stand? Apparently you can now make a gun with a 3D printer. Anyone got such printer to make a stand?
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Post by lpgas on Aug 3, 2018 23:01:49 GMT
I think if you have a hard roof it is not Temporary as in tent, but without proper foundations they are not permanent either, so would guess that they need a SC every year.. However they have to be put up before anyone can make a decision so what Orange said is wrong. So they could put them up, but not be allowed to use them. they certainly were not in the packing cases (or containers at the Mem on Thursday
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Post by roboftherovers on Aug 4, 2018 11:40:45 GMT
I'm still waiting for my telephone call from The Club's representative to tell me when or if we are being relocated from the non existent South West Stand. Just wondering if anyone has received their phone call on this matter? Or assuming athat this late stage we will probably turn up this Saturday and possible ushered into any remaining terrace or seating spaces available!
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Post by baggins on Aug 4, 2018 11:50:49 GMT
I'm still waiting for my telephone call from The Club's representative to tell me when or if we are being relocated from the non existent South West Stand. Just wondering if anyone has received their phone call on this matter? Or assuming athat this late stage we will probably turn up this Saturday and possible ushered into any remaining terrace or seating spaces available! You mean next Saturday. By which time it should hopefully all be sorted.
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