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Post by singupgas on Sept 23, 2018 9:56:29 GMT
Ironic really a player has a bad day at the office and is jumped on by many but DC has had many bad days at the office this season and hardly anybody utters a word He is a manager who has promoted us twice. Payne has played handfuls of game and wasn't trying very hard.
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Post by althepirate on Sept 23, 2018 10:01:48 GMT
Ironic really a player has a bad day at the office and is jumped on by many but DC has had many bad days at the office this season and hardly anybody utters a word That's because he puts the effort in.
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Post by althepirate on Sept 23, 2018 10:05:57 GMT
If he's carrying an injury then he should be asked to not get picked for the good of the team. You can't just guess if players are carrying an injury or not or you could end up making that excuse for most players that are playing badly. You have to judge what you see and what we have seen of Payne has not been good enough. He looks lazy and overweight. I know what you’re saying but it doesn’t sit well with me when people are so quick to judge players for lack of effort. Seems likely there is some underlying reason, given the type of player he is and how he put himself about in the first couple of games. That’s why I use the Ollie Clarke example of last year. He’s fit now and like a different player, the one we knew he could be from the previous season. Payne was either subbed off with an injury or was clearly struggling in the latter stages of a game earlier in the season and that’s why this doubt is in my mind about lack of effort. Yes I take your point but if there is an underlying problem it's still his responsibility to put the effort in to help himself, this is a results based business, if DC had an underlying problem it wouldn't stop him getting the sack.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:54:41 GMT
Funny thing is we had 13 players who did very well or quite well but we have a thread on the one player who was poor. Not worth a thread imo. Actually I thought Bennett was terrible too, so that’s two players 😉 How Bennett is starting over Matthews is beyond me! He’s starting to become a watered down version of Bodin, in as much as, when Rovers are doing well, Bennett (Bodin) played well, but when you need to dig deep and support, they may as well be at home! On the plus side though, I thought everyone else has a very solid game, Kelly again nailing down his LB position (which by the sounds of it will rapidly disappear once THD is finally fit) Locks actually played ok, and Stuey showed every player how much effort they need to give! I dont agree with you on bennett as i thought he played well,in fact i dont agree with anything you said about him. The reason payne has been singled out is because he appeared uninterested while the other 13 players were working hard for the win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:07:37 GMT
I actually recommended Payne to Rovers after seeing him for Dover. He chased everything, had a great touch and knew where the net was. Not sure what has happened to him since his first game. Like Rodman he looks a shadow of the player ive seen before. Payne l guess was dropped yesterday after his awful performance and attitude after being substituted last week at Luton, on the pitch at Kenilworth Road he was hiding not picking up when we were defending, he was unable to jump and their centre half had him in his pocket. He does not look fit and throwing his rattle out of the pram, leaving the dug out after being substituted and sitting on his own. It’s no wonder to me D.C. dropped him yesterday, l must say l really like Reilly and would play him jakubiak. Funny thing is that on tuesday v west ham payne worked very hard.
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Post by gasify on Sept 23, 2018 11:55:57 GMT
I think even Smith was a bit of a scapegoat. We could have been 2-0. Down today after 5 mins and that will now be overlooked as our keeper made 2 excellent saves. But for me the problem is still there, we are very weak defensively I don't really rate Smith. I think if Smith had been in goal, we would have been 2-0 down inside 10 minutes. With Bonham, we could have been 2-0 down. I see a difference there. Bonham seems to command the box better. He comes for crosses successfully more than Smith does.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 23, 2018 14:00:08 GMT
I'm sure we all love Bennett with his twists and turns but he is a bit of a luxury player imo. With Nicholls and Reilly it was great to see them put pressure on Cov's defence with their speed which the big guys lack. I would have taken off Bennett when Payne came on I thought Tom was unlucky to be subbed yesterday especially given the performance his replacement gave. It seems pretty obvious to me Reilly is the only striker who is on his game and for me would be first choice in every game at the moment. Interestingly no settling in problems for him. I was never keen on Bennett myself. David Cotterill is available, still only 30, I wouldnt be against getting him in. Would probably like to move nearer home after the birth of his child recently.
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Post by glengas on Sept 23, 2018 14:27:11 GMT
I will be honest I have not been impressed with him in any match I have seen this season, even the Accrington game. Don’t think the service has at times been great, but he seems to lose the ball to easily and his touch has been poor. However, his record last season suggests he will be decent so hopefully it’s a fitness/confidence issue. And don’t get him defending corners, he is a liability.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 23, 2018 14:43:02 GMT
I think rodman,payne and upson are all very short of confidence right now and in rodman and paynes case they have reacted by not really wanting or demanding the ball. Upson has not been shy to get on the ball like payne/rodman but hasnt really performed yet for rovers. I believe all 3 can and will do much better for rovers,hopefully sooner rather than later. I think yesterday proved we didn't need them, and that DC has wasted more of the budget like he did on Stevenages' left back. No doubt he will moan he has no money in January
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:08:52 GMT
I think rodman,payne and upson are all very short of confidence right now and in rodman and paynes case they have reacted by not really wanting or demanding the ball. Upson has not been shy to get on the ball like payne/rodman but hasnt really performed yet for rovers. I believe all 3 can and will do much better for rovers,hopefully sooner rather than later. I think yesterday proved we didn't need them, and that DC has wasted more of the budget like he did on Stevenages' left back. No doubt he will moan he has no money in January I would argue we do need them[payne and rodman],but we need them to play to their ability and failing that put real effort in while they search for form. Not sure how you can judge the left-back we signed at this stage? Marcus stewart indicated joe martin was unfit and therefore not available yesterday. Your right about dc complaining about the budget,its well documented that our budget is 16th-17th in the division so both the manager and the fans should know that we simply face years of struggle or relegation from league one. Dont matter who the manager is thats the reality. On a brighter note once we do get relegated we will at least be competing with clubs like ours. You know crappy grounds,not making much money outside of saturday afternoons,owners with no money etc etc.
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Post by yatetown85 on Sept 23, 2018 17:11:40 GMT
Actually I thought Bennett was terrible too, so that’s two players 😉 How Bennett is starting over Matthews is beyond me! He’s starting to become a watered down version of Bodin, in as much as, when Rovers are doing well, Bennett (Bodin) played well, but when you need to dig deep and support, they may as well be at home! On the plus side though, I thought everyone else has a very solid game, Kelly again nailing down his LB position (which by the sounds of it will rapidly disappear once THD is finally fit) Locks actually played ok, and Stuey showed every player how much effort they need to give! I dont agree with you on bennett as i thought he played well,in fact i dont agree with anything you said about him. The reason payne has been singled out is because he appeared uninterested while the other 13 players were working hard for the win. Really?! Then do tell me what Bennett did yesterday, from what I saw, he tried to send about 3 players to Southmead Hospital with some horrible short passes, he runs next to their players very well, I’ll give you that one, oh and he had 1 shot near the end. He does however, slow any counter attack up by stopping for some reason. Matthews would have been a much better option imo
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Post by lpgas on Sept 23, 2018 19:07:10 GMT
I think yesterday proved we didn't need them, and that DC has wasted more of the budget like he did on Stevenages' left back. No doubt he will moan he has no money in January I would argue we do need them[payne and rodman],but we need them to play to their ability and failing that put real effort in while they search for form. Not sure how you can judge the left-back we signed at this stage? Marcus stewart indicated joe martin was unfit and therefore not available yesterday. Your right about dc complaining about the budget,its well documented that our budget is 16th-17th in the division so both the manager and the fans should know that we simply face years of struggle or relegation from league one. Dont matter who the manager is thats the reality. On a brighter note once we do get relegated we will at least be competing with clubs like ours. You know crappy grounds,not making much money outside of saturday afternoons,owners with no money etc etc. The point is, central midfielders. Lines; Clarke; Sercombe; Mathews; Upson; Sinclair; Russe and occaisionally Partington, 7 or 8 if you include Parts. does he really need Upson? Then the left back, I see nothing wrong with Kelly and surely he could be first choice until our injured left back can play. Kelly will get better with games Joe Martin will not. If he is unfit, then why has he been playing? If he is injured then that's different. But I would prefer to see our younger players coming through rather than just get a bod in to cover for a few weeks or so. And it saves money
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Post by Okebournegas on Sept 23, 2018 21:17:03 GMT
I'm sure we all love Bennett with his twists and turns but he is a bit of a luxury player imo. With Nicholls and Reilly it was great to see them put pressure on Cov's defence with their speed which the big guys lack. I would have taken off Bennett when Payne came on I thought Tom was unlucky to be subbed yesterday especially given the performance his replacement gave. It seems pretty obvious to me Reilly is the only striker who is on his game and for me would be first choice in every game at the moment. Interestingly no settling in problems for him. I was never keen on Bennett myself. David Cotterill is available, still only 30, I wouldnt be against getting him in. Would probably like to move nearer home after the birth of his child recently. I actually think that is a good shout , I think he would be very useful for us in this league.
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Post by Okebournegas on Sept 23, 2018 21:20:32 GMT
I think even Smith was a bit of a scapegoat. We could have been 2-0. Down today after 5 mins and that will now be overlooked as our keeper made 2 excellent saves. But for me the problem is still there, we are very weak defensively I don't really rate Smith. I think if Smith had been in goal, we would have been 2-0 down inside 10 minutes. With Bonham, we could have been 2-0 down. I see a difference there. Bonham seems to command the box better. He comes for crosses successfully more than Smith does. It’s strange how smith hasn’t really carried on progressing , I thought he was a very talented youngster and when he was at Northampton he was very much regarded as a good keeper.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 22:23:13 GMT
I dont agree with you on bennett as i thought he played well,in fact i dont agree with anything you said about him. The reason payne has been singled out is because he appeared uninterested while the other 13 players were working hard for the win. Really?! Then do tell me what Bennett did yesterday, from what I saw, he tried to send about 3 players to Southmead Hospital with some horrible short passes, he runs next to their players very well, I’ll give you that one, oh and he had 1 shot near the end. He does however, slow any counter attack up by stopping for some reason. Matthews would have been a much better option imo Like i said i thought bennett played very well and i thought he broke quickly several times to good effect. We have a different opinion on bennett so what?
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Post by stroudgas93 on Sept 23, 2018 22:25:46 GMT
I will be honest I have not been impressed with him in any match I have seen this season, even the Accrington game. Don’t think the service has at times been great, but he seems to lose the ball to easily and his touch has been poor. However, his record last season suggests he will be decent so hopefully it’s a fitness/confidence issue. And don’t get him defending corners, he is a liability. He was brilliant at Wycombe away, mind you, they were an absolutely dreadful team!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 22:40:47 GMT
I would argue we do need them[payne and rodman],but we need them to play to their ability and failing that put real effort in while they search for form. Not sure how you can judge the left-back we signed at this stage? Marcus stewart indicated joe martin was unfit and therefore not available yesterday. Your right about dc complaining about the budget,its well documented that our budget is 16th-17th in the division so both the manager and the fans should know that we simply face years of struggle or relegation from league one. Dont matter who the manager is thats the reality. On a brighter note once we do get relegated we will at least be competing with clubs like ours. You know crappy grounds,not making much money outside of saturday afternoons,owners with no money etc etc. The point is, central midfielders. Lines; Clarke; Sercombe; Mathews; Upson; Sinclair; Russe and occaisionally Partington, 7 or 8 if you include Parts. does he really need Upson? Then the left back, I see nothing wrong with Kelly and surely he could be first choice until our injured left back can play. Kelly will get better with games Joe Martin will not. If he is unfit, then why has he been playing? If he is injured then that's different. But I would prefer to see our younger players coming through rather than just get a bod in to cover for a few weeks or so. And it saves money Going by marcus stewarts post match interview martin was out with a minor injury,i would imagine the manager signed martin because he wanted an experienced left back. Since we have signed martin michael kelly performed well which means we have healthy competition at left-back which is good news imo. New signing upson would be on a decent salary relative to our club and if he dosnt play much this season he would be a poor signing same is true of rodman and payne though not so much jakubiac,reilly and matthews imo. I thought competition for places and having a squad is how your suppose to manage a team? Simple fact is that so far until yesterday we have been poor and so have rodman,upson and payne of the new lads but its too early to judge them imo.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 24, 2018 2:56:11 GMT
I empathise with op but whether Payne tried or doesn't try, scores or doesn't score, he'll see Nichols get the game ahead of him.
Nichols neither tracked back or assisted in any goal v Cov....or any goal ever, yet still manages to play every match!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 24, 2018 5:26:41 GMT
I empathise with op but whether Payne tried or doesn't try, scores or doesn't score, he'll see Nichols get the game ahead of him. Nichols neither tracked back or assisted in any goal v Cov....or any goal ever, yet still manages to play every match! I think we look a better team with Nichols in it than Payne from what I have seen.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 24, 2018 6:55:59 GMT
I think yesterday proved we didn't need them, and that DC has wasted more of the budget like he did on Stevenages' left back. No doubt he will moan he has no money in January I would argue we do need them[payne and rodman],but we need them to play to their ability and failing that put real effort in while they search for form. Not sure how you can judge the left-back we signed at this stage? Marcus stewart indicated joe martin was unfit and therefore not available yesterday. Your right about dc complaining about the budget,its well documented that our budget is 16th-17th in the division so both the manager and the fans should know that we simply face years of struggle or relegation from league one. Dont matter who the manager is thats the reality. On a brighter note once we do get relegated we will at least be competing with clubs like ours. You know crappy grounds,not making much money outside of saturday afternoons,owners with no money etc etc. How will be be competing with Clubs like ours again if we get relegated? What an odd thing to say.. Historically we have always been a league one club,which is where we play our trade today.Our avg home crowd this season is currently 8,600 which is down by 600 or 700 then is should be due to our bad start to the season and lack of news on Stadium/training ground.But its still the 9th best in the league and only that low in the list because we have Sunderland,Portsmouth and Bradford in the league. Not one club in league two have the potenial that we do. We have a bottom 10 league two ground but our history,current fanbase is league one.We need a new ground asap and then finally we might lose that water taking 'Rag Bag Rovers'tag once and for all !!
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