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Post by dickiedamsell on Oct 3, 2018 18:24:01 GMT
We as Gasheads have suffered over the years with continual disappointment re expansion and particularly with a new stadium. For the first time ever we were given real hope by the Al Qadi's only to have that hope fall into total confusion. Recently there has been loss of confidence in DC by a small number of fans. My point is if we are devastated by the disappointment of the lack of progress in the expansion of the club IMAGINE HOW HE FEELS. It is after all his career and reputation on the line not ours. We did not expect with the Al Qadi's to revert to the old days of selling our best players and not reinvesting that money into replacements. There are 30+ page threads on here about the confusion of our future and it doesn't affect our livelihood, IMAGINE THEN HOW THE EMPLOYEES FEEL. They don't have any knowledge (as far as we can guess) about what's happening and the direction of the club, just struggle on has we always have done, with our amazing fans. One difference this time is that we have a young, hungry and ambitious manager who has to work under extremely confusing conditions. My guess is Wael and Hani have a difference of opinion and the club has been left in a state of flux. Please spare a thought for DC and the players who are working in these disjointed conditions. Imho if we sacked DC it would be the worst decision since selling Eastville. |
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Post by dickiedamsell on Oct 3, 2018 18:25:18 GMT
we never owned Eastville' so how could we sell it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 18:36:37 GMT
There does seem to be a gradual increase in the number of posters who would be happy to see DC go, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why.
Someone mentioned 6 wins from 28, and that may be true (I haven't checked but fair enough). But surely that is just the classic example of making stats "prove" what you want them prove. You might just as easily say "undefeated in three", or take the longer approach and say "two promotions in four seasons", or quote a 40% or so win record over a sustained period of time. All of which achieved whilst making a profit. But then that wouldn't back up the (in my opinion, laughable) claim that he is failing.
Yes, there are some problems, largely that our wingers are out of form and that we are struggling for goals. The latter is hardly surprising when you consider the players that DC has been forced to sell in recent seasons. Ollie managed to rebuild after losing possibly the finest striker of the last 40 years in Marcus Stewart, but ultimately the continued loss of quality strikers such as Cureton, Hayles, Roberts and Beadle was too much. Trollope too couldn't replace Lambert. Although DC has rebuilt and dealt with the loss of players, eventually it's just like trying to push water uphill.
I have every faith that he will see the job through until he decides to go on to better things, but for those who don't share that belief, consider who on earth we might attract who could do a better job than he has done, and continues to do in very trying circumstances. We all love Rovers, but like it or not, we're tinpot, playing at a rugby ground, in the shadow of richer neighbours and have nothing in the way of permanent training facilities. Not exactly appealing for the hottest managerial prospects in the game is it?
Be careful what you wish for. This bloke is a young, passionate, committed and talented manager and we are very, very lucky to still have him long after many would probably have walked.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 18:37:41 GMT
we never owned Eastville' so how could we sell it. Yes we did. |
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Post by althepirate on Oct 3, 2018 18:38:39 GMT
we never owned Eastville' so how could we sell it. We owned Eastville stadium until 1940 when we sold it to the Greyhound Company for 12,500 who eventually sold it to Ikea for 19 million. |
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Post by blueridge on Oct 3, 2018 19:28:34 GMT
DC chose this profession and he is well paid for it - he knows as well as anyone else that the attrition rate in this business is probably higher than anywhere else. I could excuse his inexperience up until the last couple of seasons but not having his team anywhere near ready for the start of this season IMO is unforgivable. I agree he is working in a difficult situation but others I'm sure are working under similar restraints. As I mentioned earlier (and you criticised)'he has spent a lot of money and the recruitment up to now looks poor, his constant team changes, team selection, tactics and frankly poor boring football is beginning to irritate a few fans as you put it - I would suggest it's a lot more than a few which is and will be reflected in attendances. The facts speak for themselves and just 6 wins out of the last 28 matches (since last February) is not acceptable and to compare a dismissal as the worst decision since selling Eastville is frankly myopic. Just because people like him as a person is NOT a reason to keep him as a manager if he continues to fail. And BTW I go back to the Eastville days. I don't see the significance by saying 'I go back to the Eastville days' although I do too. All you are doing Blueridge is Daily Mail journalism, taking the bad bits out of context and printing it as a headline. What you write is true but gives a distorted picture. Imo since the seemingly change of attitude by the board we have reverted to the 'old style Rovers' way of running the club and this makes it more difficult for the manager to manage as it has done for most other managers in the past. I think we have to factor this in when we judge the manager. We can't have 30+ threads complaining about the board without understanding that the management are suffering too regarding our future lack of direction and that this will have an impact on our results. You have shown by this post what this forum is all about - opinions. There are a few posters on here who will steadfastly still support this board - clearly you don't - you may well get criticism!! You say I am "taking the bad bits out of context" - what are the good bits? My reference to Eastville was in response to your comment about "life has it problems......... " as if I haven't experienced life and comments about positivity and negativity - but there is also realism. I really didn't understand your reference to Man United or indeed its relevance - however, I don't support this Board either, as you may well gather from some of my previous postings but I do feel they have given DC a budget which IMO he has not spent wisely - so hardly as you put it "Daily Mail journalism" perhaps you can enlarge on what you perceive to be my " distorted picture" or we just draw a line under our difference of opinion. |
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Post by althepirate on Oct 3, 2018 20:34:49 GMT
I don't see the significance by saying 'I go back to the Eastville days' although I do too. All you are doing Blueridge is Daily Mail journalism, taking the bad bits out of context and printing it as a headline. What you write is true but gives a distorted picture. Imo since the seemingly change of attitude by the board we have reverted to the 'old style Rovers' way of running the club and this makes it more difficult for the manager to manage as it has done for most other managers in the past. I think we have to factor this in when we judge the manager. We can't have 30+ threads complaining about the board without understanding that the management are suffering too regarding our future lack of direction and that this will have an impact on our results. You have shown by this post what this forum is all about - opinions. There are a few posters on here who will steadfastly still support this board - clearly you don't - you may well get criticism!! You say I am "taking the bad bits out of context" - what are the good bits? My reference to Eastville was in response to your comment about "life has it problems......... " as if I haven't experienced life and comments about positivity and negativity - but there is also realism. I really didn't understand your reference to Man United or indeed its relevance - however, I don't support this Board either, as you may well gather from some of my previous postings but I do feel they have given DC a budget which IMO he has not spent wisely - so hardly as you put it "Daily Mail journalism" perhaps you can enlarge on what you perceive to be my " distorted picture" or we just draw a line under our difference of opinion. Yes I'm just happy to draw a line under our difference of opinion. I'm confused about the board so am neither for or against, but let's hope somehow we get what we both want in the future, that is a successful Bristol Rovers. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Oct 3, 2018 20:42:43 GMT
There does seem to be a gradual increase in the number of posters who would be happy to see DC go, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why. Someone mentioned 6 wins from 28, and that may be true (I haven't checked but fair enough). But surely that is just the classic example of making stats "prove" what you want them prove. You might just as easily say "undefeated in three", or take the longer approach and say "two promotions in four seasons", or quote a 40% or so win record over a sustained period of time. All of which achieved whilst making a profit. But then that wouldn't back up the (in my opinion, laughable) claim that he is failing. Yes, there are some problems, largely that our wingers are out of form and that we are struggling for goals. The latter is hardly surprising when you consider the players that DC has been forced to sell in recent seasons. Ollie managed to rebuild after losing possibly the finest striker of the last 40 years in Marcus Stewart, but ultimately the continued loss of quality strikers such as Cureton, Hayles, Roberts and Beadle was too much. Trollope too couldn't replace Lambert. Although DC has rebuilt and dealt with the loss of players, eventually it's just like trying to push water uphill. I have every faith that he will see the job through until he decides to go on to better things, but for those who don't share that belief, consider who on earth we might attract who could do a better job than he has done, and continues to do in very trying circumstances. We all love Rovers, but like it or not, we're tinpot, playing at a rugby ground, in the shadow of richer neighbours and have nothing in the way of permanent training facilities. Not exactly appealing for the hottest managerial prospects in the game is it? Be careful what you wish for. This bloke is a young, passionate, committed and talented manager and we are very, very lucky to still have him long after many would probably have walked. Best post in a long time! over the decades we have existed, scrambled to survive, stood together and grew stronger as a result. In all my years of support, I haven't warmed or respected any manager as much as our current one He is honest, hard working and faithful We sing faithful and true If anyone has ever deserved our respect and time it's Clarke (In my humble opinion) |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 3, 2018 21:42:45 GMT
There does seem to be a gradual increase in the number of posters who would be happy to see DC go, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why. Someone mentioned 6 wins from 28, and that may be true (I haven't checked but fair enough). But surely that is just the classic example of making stats "prove" what you want them prove. You might just as easily say "undefeated in three", or take the longer approach and say "two promotions in four seasons", or quote a 40% or so win record over a sustained period of time. All of which achieved whilst making a profit. But then that wouldn't back up the (in my opinion, laughable) claim that he is failing. Yes, there are some problems, largely that our wingers are out of form and that we are struggling for goals. The latter is hardly surprising when you consider the players that DC has been forced to sell in recent seasons. Ollie managed to rebuild after losing possibly the finest striker of the last 40 years in Marcus Stewart, but ultimately the continued loss of quality strikers such as Cureton, Hayles, Roberts and Beadle was too much. Trollope too couldn't replace Lambert. Although DC has rebuilt and dealt with the loss of players, eventually it's just like trying to push water uphill. I have every faith that he will see the job through until he decides to go on to better things, but for those who don't share that belief, consider who on earth we might attract who could do a better job than he has done, and continues to do in very trying circumstances. We all love Rovers, but like it or not, we're tinpot, playing at a rugby ground, in the shadow of richer neighbours and have nothing in the way of permanent training facilities. Not exactly appealing for the hottest managerial prospects in the game is it? Be careful what you wish for. This bloke is a young, passionate, committed and talented manager and we are very, very lucky to still have him long after many would probably have walked. Best post in a long time! over the decades we have existed, scrambled to survive, stood together and grew stronger as a result. In all my years of support, I haven't warmed or respected any manager as much as our current one He is honest, hard working and faithful We sing faithful and true If anyone has ever deserved our respect and time it's Clarke (In my humble opinion) Other than the first two lines I've never read such bollox even if it was your humble opinion over the last 12 months Clarke Has been clueless, useless and a joke he is long past his sell by date at our club |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 3, 2018 21:48:35 GMT
There does seem to be a gradual increase in the number of posters who would be happy to see DC go, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why. Someone mentioned 6 wins from 28, and that may be true (I haven't checked but fair enough). But surely that is just the classic example of making stats "prove" what you want them prove. You might just as easily say "undefeated in three", or take the longer approach and say "two promotions in four seasons", or quote a 40% or so win record over a sustained period of time. All of which achieved whilst making a profit. But then that wouldn't back up the (in my opinion, laughable) claim that he is failing. Yes, there are some problems, largely that our wingers are out of form and that we are struggling for goals. The latter is hardly surprising when you consider the players that DC has been forced to sell in recent seasons. Ollie managed to rebuild after losing possibly the finest striker of the last 40 years in Marcus Stewart, but ultimately the continued loss of quality strikers such as Cureton, Hayles, Roberts and Beadle was too much. Trollope too couldn't replace Lambert. Although DC has rebuilt and dealt with the loss of players, eventually it's just like trying to push water uphill. I have every faith that he will see the job through until he decides to go on to better things, but for those who don't share that belief, consider who on earth we might attract who could do a better job than he has done, and continues to do in very trying circumstances. We all love Rovers, but like it or not, we're tinpot, playing at a rugby ground, in the shadow of richer neighbours and have nothing in the way of permanent training facilities. Not exactly appealing for the hottest managerial prospects in the game is it? Be careful what you wish for. This bloke is a young, passionate, committed and talented manager and we are very, very lucky to still have him long after many would probably have walked. Are you taking the water out of all the die hard gas out there with your last paragraph he may be young which is a problem , passionate about what - his own ego , committed to who - Nicholls , talented at what picking different teams every week , in fact we are unlucky that we have him cuss we ain't going nowhere but down with him. The sooner we get rid of him by one way or another can only benefit our club |
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Post by althepirate on Oct 3, 2018 21:49:55 GMT
Best post in a long time! over the decades we have existed, scrambled to survive, stood together and grew stronger as a result. In all my years of support, I haven't warmed or respected any manager as much as our current one He is honest, hard working and faithful We sing faithful and true If anyone has ever deserved our respect and time it's Clarke (In my humble opinion) Other than the first two lines I've never read such bollox even if it was your humble opinion over the last 12 months Clarke Has been clueless, useless and a joke he is long past his sell by date at our club An arrogant, insulting, offensive post imho. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2018 21:50:07 GMT
Best post in a long time! over the decades we have existed, scrambled to survive, stood together and grew stronger as a result. In all my years of support, I haven't warmed or respected any manager as much as our current one He is honest, hard working and faithful We sing faithful and true If anyone has ever deserved our respect and time it's Clarke (In my humble opinion) Other than the first two lines I've never read such bollox even if it was your humble opinion over the last 12 months Clarke Has been clueless, useless and a joke he is long past his sell by date at our club give it a rest tbone. Gave yourself away there a bit didn't you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 22:10:17 GMT
There does seem to be a gradual increase in the number of posters who would be happy to see DC go, but for the life of me, I cannot understand why. Someone mentioned 6 wins from 28, and that may be true (I haven't checked but fair enough). But surely that is just the classic example of making stats "prove" what you want them prove. You might just as easily say "undefeated in three", or take the longer approach and say "two promotions in four seasons", or quote a 40% or so win record over a sustained period of time. All of which achieved whilst making a profit. But then that wouldn't back up the (in my opinion, laughable) claim that he is failing. Yes, there are some problems, largely that our wingers are out of form and that we are struggling for goals. The latter is hardly surprising when you consider the players that DC has been forced to sell in recent seasons. Ollie managed to rebuild after losing possibly the finest striker of the last 40 years in Marcus Stewart, but ultimately the continued loss of quality strikers such as Cureton, Hayles, Roberts and Beadle was too much. Trollope too couldn't replace Lambert. Although DC has rebuilt and dealt with the loss of players, eventually it's just like trying to push water uphill. I have every faith that he will see the job through until he decides to go on to better things, but for those who don't share that belief, consider who on earth we might attract who could do a better job than he has done, and continues to do in very trying circumstances. We all love Rovers, but like it or not, we're tinpot, playing at a rugby ground, in the shadow of richer neighbours and have nothing in the way of permanent training facilities. Not exactly appealing for the hottest managerial prospects in the game is it? Be careful what you wish for. This bloke is a young, passionate, committed and talented manager and we are very, very lucky to still have him long after many would probably have walked. Are you taking the water out of all the die hard gas out there with your last paragraph he may be young which is a problem , passionate about what - his own ego , committed to who - Nicholls , talented at what picking different teams every week , in fact we are unlucky that we have him cuss we ain't going nowhere but down with him. The sooner we get rid of him by one way or another can only benefit our club Go on then, I'll bite. I'm not sure why his youth is a problem to you. In itself of course, it doesn't have to be a positive either however I mentioned it as a positive as I would suggest that historically (in my time at least) the best Rovers managers have been those in their first or second job (Megson, Williams, Francis, Holloway, Trollope, Clarke). I like to see a young manager who still has ambition. Passionate about OUR club. Even if you don't rate him as a manager, it would be hard to deny his passion for the job, surely? Committed to the job. I don't think Nichols has a future here either, but your comment is just crass. Again, very difficult to suggest he's not committed, but I'm interested to hear an informed, rational argument... Talented. Er, a win record of around 40%. Two promotions, whilst making a profit for the club. All by picking different teams each week. I'm not sure I get the problem with that. Each game provides a different challenge. We have players with different qualities and weaknesses...why wouldn't you select different sides to address different problems? Anyway, I've read enough of your posts to know that we're not going to agree on this one. That's fine and is the nature of forums, however rather than accusing me of "taking the water out of all the die hard gas" (of which I consider myself to be one), let's hear your constructive argument. Let's hear from you what managers you think we could realistically attract who could do a better job, and tell us why you think they could. Or, is it the case that, if Darrell Clarke were to leave, the manager we'd be looking for would be someone with a track record like....Darrell Clarke? |
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Post by wertongas on Oct 3, 2018 22:14:29 GMT
I bet that lot at Trashton would be really happy if we didn't have DC as manager think of it we could still in the conference now, with them in the Championship.
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Post by helpliner on Oct 3, 2018 23:10:50 GMT
we never owned Eastville' so how could we sell it. We owned Eastville stadium until 1940 when we sold it to the Greyhound Company for 12,500 who eventually sold it to Ikea for 19 million. Shame we didn't have a sell on clause!!
I bet Geoff Dunford would have insisted on one if he had been dealing with it!
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Post by kampucheagas on Oct 4, 2018 7:22:46 GMT
Shame you feel the need to resort to such crass dialogue Midland.
As Gasheads I'd like to think if we met in a pub pre game, we might differ in our opinions but you wouldn't just babble out in a rage I was talking b#####s
Just out of interest, in a calm reflective considerate manner, who would you replace DC with after you boot him out with immediate effect?
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 4, 2018 7:25:28 GMT
Shame you feel the need to resort to such crass dialogue Midland. As Gasheads I'd like to think if we met in a pub pre game, we might differ in our opinions but you wouldn't just babble out in a rage I was talking b#####s Just out of interest, in a calm reflective considerate manner, who would you replace DC with after you boot him out with immediate effect? Holloway as I said a number of times |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 4, 2018 9:42:08 GMT
Shame you feel the need to resort to such crass dialogue Midland. As Gasheads I'd like to think if we met in a pub pre game, we might differ in our opinions but you wouldn't just babble out in a rage I was talking b#####s Just out of interest, in a calm reflective considerate manner, who would you replace DC with after you boot him out with immediate effect? Holloway as I said a number of times And that is why no one takes you seriously. What happened to Pardew? |
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Post by poorblue on Oct 4, 2018 10:13:54 GMT
We owned Eastville stadium until 1940 when we sold it to the Greyhound Company for 12,500 who eventually sold it to Ikea for 19 million. Shame we didn't have a sell on clause!!
I bet Geoff Dunford would have insisted on one if he had been dealing with it!
But Dunford was at the Helm when we departed Eastville and he did get a sum of money for the club for leaving, £100- £200k I 1hink. Squatters rights or something like that. It saved the club for posteritity |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 11:29:27 GMT
Shame you feel the need to resort to such crass dialogue Midland. As Gasheads I'd like to think if we met in a pub pre game, we might differ in our opinions but you wouldn't just babble out in a rage I was talking b#####s Just out of interest, in a calm reflective considerate manner, who would you replace DC with after you boot him out with immediate effect? Holloway as I said a number of times Ok, but why? I will always respect Ollie for what he did for the club as both a player and a manager. Personally, I feel his best management days are behind him now though and would back that up by referencing his last two jobs. Can you put a case forward to support why you think he is the man for job? |
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