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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 1:20:56 GMT
Holloway needs a job with a realistic chance of success to put his managerial credibility back on track. So why would he risk taking the rovers job should it ever be offered to him?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 5:46:22 GMT
Ollie does not hate the gas, that's just nonsense. Midland - like I said, Ollie is and always will be a legend for me. But when did he last manage in League 1? Having premier league and championship experience isn't much good to us when we don't play there and have no prospect of being able to sustainably do so for the time being due to the complete lack of infrastructure (and that's a whole new thread!). If DC left or, God forbid, was sacked, surely we'd be looking for a young manager with some experience in League 1 or one that had shown himself ready to progress from a lower league? I have no idea who that man might be, but then I'm more than happy with the manager we have already. Our problem at the moment us that we have a young manager inexperienced at this level , so why would we want to replace him with another young manager , what we need is an experienced manager not someone who is still learning his trade at our expense can I ask which part of DC you are happy with at the moment, because in my eyes he is not doing a very good job for us this season or in fact from the last third of last season as well As has already been said, DC is hardly short if experience at this level after two and a bit seasons. Historically, we seem to better under young managers. I don't know why that is but it is clearly the case. Megson, Williams, Francis, Ward, Holloway, Trollope and Clarke have all either won things or been very close to doing so whilst with us early in their careers. I can't think of an experienced manager in the last 50 years to say that about. As for the here and now, it seems to ne that DC is in the middle of re-inventing the squad from the wonderful "conference squad" that served us do well. Only Lockyer, Lines, Clarke and Sinclair remain. That in itself is going to affect us for a while as a new squad gels, but when he has lost players of the calibre of Bodin an Taylor, and to a point Harrison, and has considerably less to spend on their replacements, it's even harder. In my opinion, DC is continuing to manage us at the highest level we can possibly play at. Until things are right off the pitch, how can it can any different? Look at the size of club we are competing with in this league. Yes, there will always be an Accrington to buck the trend, same as there's always a Sunderland or a Villa who underperform, but most would probably agree that League 1 is our level, historically and for the time being. DC has kept us at that level with no scares after two promotions. There has to be a levelling out after that rate of progress. This season is looking tougher, but that's the nature of this league. You ask what is he doing now...he's keeping our head above water (and let's remember that it is only 11 games in, not 41) and building for the future, under very trying circumstances. At this moment in time, I fear that's the most anyone could do.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 5, 2018 6:40:06 GMT
Our problem at the moment us that we have a young manager inexperienced at this level , so why would we want to replace him with another young manager , what we need is an experienced manager not someone who is still learning his trade at our expense can I ask which part of DC you are happy with at the moment, because in my eyes he is not doing a very good job for us this season or in fact from the last third of last season as well As has already been said, DC is hardly short if experience at this level after two and a bit seasons. Historically, we seem to better under young managers. I don't know why that is but it is clearly the case. Megson, Williams, Francis, Ward, Holloway, Trollope and Clarke have all either won things or been very close to doing so whilst with us early in their careers. I can't think of an experienced manager in the last 50 years to say that about. As for the here and now, it seems to ne that DC is in the middle of re-inventing the squad from the wonderful "conference squad" that served us do well. Only Lockyer, Lines, Clarke and Sinclair remain. That in itself is going to affect us for a while as a new squad gels, but when he has lost players of the calibre of Bodin an Taylor, and to a point Harrison, and has considerably less to spend on their replacements, it's even harder. In my opinion, DC is continuing to manage us at the highest level we can possibly play at. Until things are right off the pitch, how can it can any different? Look at the size of club we are competing with in this league. Yes, there will always be an Accrington to buck the trend, same as there's always a Sunderland or a Villa who underperform, but most would probably agree that League 1 is our level, historically and for the time being. DC has kept us at that level with no scares after two promotions. There has to be a levelling out after that rate of progress. This season is looking tougher, but that's the nature of this league. You ask what is he doing now...he's keeping our head above water (and let's remember that it is only 11 games in, not 41) and building for the future, under very trying circumstances. At this moment in time, I fear that's the most anyone could do. Exactly this. In the last 20 odd years: Francis (round 2) after Holloway and caretakers - terrible appointment. Graydon - Terrible appointment. Atkins - did some good but the football was ugly and won nothing. Penney - old school didn’t work with the players. Sacked. McGhee - talked a great game, but couldn’t manage a beer up in a brewery. Ward (round 2) a good half season but had no passion, lost his tactical nous, signed awful players and cost us our league position. On the younger managers: Trolls - had LL holding his hand but ultimately he was a good coach/manager. IMO was sacked to quickly. Buckle - would have probably worked long term but he shot himself in the foot with comments made but signed some excellent players. DC - probably goes down in history as our most successful manager.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 5, 2018 6:57:32 GMT
Yes exactly this Gas 1970. It's the same with the players, they are always better coming up than coming down. I wouldnt want a manager or player who doesn't need to work anymore but takes a job for a couple of years just to fill his coffers. All the players we have sold Taylor, Bodin and Harrison are on an upwards curve and are hungry to do well. A hungry, passionate manager like DC is the perfect fit for us rather than someone who takes the job in between TV appearances and uses us to swell his bank account for a short time, but doesn't bring us any success unlike DC who has been extremely successful and imo will continue to do so, although he has a tougher job now than before with the apparent change of attitude at the top.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 5, 2018 7:38:00 GMT
As has already been said, DC is hardly short if experience at this level after two and a bit seasons. Historically, we seem to better under young managers. I don't know why that is but it is clearly the case. Megson, Williams, Francis, Ward, Holloway, Trollope and Clarke have all either won things or been very close to doing so whilst with us early in their careers. I can't think of an experienced manager in the last 50 years to say that about. As for the here and now, it seems to ne that DC is in the middle of re-inventing the squad from the wonderful "conference squad" that served us do well. Only Lockyer, Lines, Clarke and Sinclair remain. That in itself is going to affect us for a while as a new squad gels, but when he has lost players of the calibre of Bodin an Taylor, and to a point Harrison, and has considerably less to spend on their replacements, it's even harder. In my opinion, DC is continuing to manage us at the highest level we can possibly play at. Until things are right off the pitch, how can it can any different? Look at the size of club we are competing with in this league. Yes, there will always be an Accrington to buck the trend, same as there's always a Sunderland or a Villa who underperform, but most would probably agree that League 1 is our level, historically and for the time being. DC has kept us at that level with no scares after two promotions. There has to be a levelling out after that rate of progress. This season is looking tougher, but that's the nature of this league. You ask what is he doing now...he's keeping our head above water (and let's remember that it is only 11 games in, not 41) and building for the future, under very trying circumstances. At this moment in time, I fear that's the most anyone could do. Exactly this. In the last 20 odd years: Francis (round 2) after Holloway and caretakers - terrible appointment. Graydon - Terrible appointment. Atkins - did some good but the football was ugly and won nothing. Penney - old school didn’t work with the players. Sacked. McGhee - talked a great game, but couldn’t manage a beer up in a brewery. Ward (round 2) a good half season but had no passion, lost his tactical nous, signed awful players and cost us our league position. On the younger managers: Trolls - had LL holding his hand but ultimately he was a good coach/manager. IMO was sacked to quickly. Buckle - would have probably worked long term but he shot himself in the foot with comments made but signed some excellent players. DC - probably goes down in history as our most successful manager. Since when was PT a good manager on his own, he's continually failed when given the managers role, with us and then at Cardiff, if anything your list proves we've been incapable of employing any decent managers apart from DC, then clowns like MidlandGas call for him to be sacked!!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 5, 2018 8:35:33 GMT
Thought the Trolls,Lawrence, partnership worked great and only went down hill when club in there wisdom dispensed with Lawrence,which kind of bears out Toppers point, some people are great when they have a sounding board but are not so comfortable out on there own,its the same in all walks of managing.
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Post by socrates on Oct 5, 2018 8:48:25 GMT
Thought the Trolls,Lawrence, partnership worked great and only went down hill when club in there wisdom dispensed with Lawrence,which kind of bears out Toppers point, some people are great when they have a sounding board but are not so comfortable out on there own,its the same in all walks of managing. It did work great but the board who decided they didn’t need Lawrence put an end to that as well as scrapping our youth / reserve side and employing crap managers who employed crap players and so on. There’s a lot of questions surrounding our new board but at least they’re not the last lot.
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Post by Blueside on Oct 5, 2018 9:14:03 GMT
Yes exactly this Gas 1970. It's the same with the players, they are always USUALLY better coming up than coming down. I wouldnt want a manager or player who doesn't need to work anymore but takes a job for a couple of years just to fill his coffers. All the players we have sold Taylor, Bodin and Harrison are on an upwards curve and are hungry to do well. A hungry, passionate manager like DC is the perfect fit for us rather than someone who takes the job in between TV appearances and uses us to swell his bank account for a short time, but doesn't bring us any success unlike DC who has been extremely successful and imo will continue to do so, although he has a tougher job now than before with the apparent change of attitude at the top. Amended that for you....... Mark Walters
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Post by althepirate on Oct 5, 2018 10:21:16 GMT
Yes Mark Walters what a player he was! There's always an exception to every rule ha ha
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 10:24:54 GMT
Yes exactly this Gas 1970. It's the same with the players, they are always better coming up than coming down. I wouldnt want a manager or player who doesn't need to work anymore but takes a job for a couple of years just to fill his coffers. All the players we have sold Taylor, Bodin and Harrison are on an upwards curve and are hungry to do well. A hungry, passionate manager like DC is the perfect fit for us rather than someone who takes the job in between TV appearances and uses us to swell his bank account for a short time, but doesn't bring us any success unlike DC who has been extremely successful and imo will continue to do so, although he has a tougher job now than before with the apparent change of attitude at the top. I understand the general theme of your post but we have had some really good signings over the years with players on their way down. With dc lee mansell,chris lines,andy monkhouse and jermaine easter all played their part to a greater or lesser degree in turning the club around.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 5, 2018 10:55:00 GMT
Yes exactly this Gas 1970. It's the same with the players, they are always better coming up than coming down. I wouldnt want a manager or player who doesn't need to work anymore but takes a job for a couple of years just to fill his coffers. All the players we have sold Taylor, Bodin and Harrison are on an upwards curve and are hungry to do well. A hungry, passionate manager like DC is the perfect fit for us rather than someone who takes the job in between TV appearances and uses us to swell his bank account for a short time, but doesn't bring us any success unlike DC who has been extremely successful and imo will continue to do so, although he has a tougher job now than before with the apparent change of attitude at the top. I understand the general theme of your post but we have had some really good signings over the years with players on their way down. With dc lee mansell,chris lines,andy monkhouse and jermaine easter all played their part to a greater or lesser degree in turning the club around. Yes that is true.I think older players can bring on other players Easter/Taylor but Easter only came here as we were close to Wales. Perhaps DC needs an older head alongside him?
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Post by blueridge on Oct 5, 2018 10:55:24 GMT
Yes Mark Walters what a player he was! There's always an exception to every rule ha ha I would also add Brian Godfrey (RIP) - IMO one of the most inspirational players ever to play for Bristol Rovers.
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Post by alvestongas on Oct 5, 2018 11:03:28 GMT
Exactly this. In the last 20 odd years: Francis (round 2) after Holloway and caretakers - terrible appointment. Graydon - Terrible appointment. Atkins - did some good but the football was ugly and won nothing. Penney - old school didn’t work with the players. Sacked. McGhee - talked a great game, but couldn’t manage a beer up in a brewery. Ward (round 2) a good half season but had no passion, lost his tactical nous, signed awful players and cost us our league position. On the younger managers: Trolls - had LL holding his hand but ultimately he was a good coach/manager. IMO was sacked to quickly. Buckle - would have probably worked long term but he shot himself in the foot with comments made but signed some excellent players. DC - probably goes down in history as our most successful manager. Since when was PT a good manager on his own, he's continually failed when given the managers role, with us and then at Cardiff, if anything your list proves we've been incapable of employing any decent managers apart from DC, then clowns like MidlandGas call for him to be sacked!! Sadly this is actually right. We get a good young Manager, hard working, decent chap, loyal and successful. Without doubt one of the best 3 or 4 in the last 50 years & some idiots call for his head. Incredible really and quite without any thought about how sh** most of our more recent Managers have been & how lucky we are to have him.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 5, 2018 11:03:51 GMT
Yes Mark Walters what a player he was! There's always an exception to every rule ha ha I would also add Brian Godfrey (RIP) - IMO one of the most inspirational players ever to play for Bristol Rovers. Agree blueridge. It was a strange one in 1971, we did a straight swap (I think) Godfrey for Graydon, yet Graydon was on his way up and should have been a far more valuable player than BG being older and past his best. But not at all, the fans, as I remember, didn’t really mind and took well to BG who became a far more important player for us than Graydon ever was. Probably explains a bit why we never took to Graydon as a manager. UTG!
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Post by althepirate on Oct 5, 2018 12:06:00 GMT
Yes Mark Walters what a player he was! There's always an exception to every rule ha ha I would also add Brian Godfrey (RIP) - IMO one of the most inspirational players ever to play for Bristol Rovers. Brian Godfrey was brilliant a combination of Lines and Sinclair, not many players can be both ball winner and distributor. A swop for Ray Graydon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 12:11:19 GMT
Exactly this. In the last 20 odd years: Francis (round 2) after Holloway and caretakers - terrible appointment. Graydon - Terrible appointment. Atkins - did some good but the football was ugly and won nothing. Penney - old school didn’t work with the players. Sacked. McGhee - talked a great game, but couldn’t manage a beer up in a brewery. Ward (round 2) a good half season but had no passion, lost his tactical nous, signed awful players and cost us our league position. On the younger managers: Trolls - had LL holding his hand but ultimately he was a good coach/manager. IMO was sacked to quickly. Buckle - would have probably worked long term but he shot himself in the foot with comments made but signed some excellent players. DC - probably goes down in history as our most successful manager. Since when was PT a good manager on his own, he's continually failed when given the managers role, with us and then at Cardiff, if anything your list proves we've been incapable of employing any decent managers apart from DC, then clowns like MidlandGas call for him to be sacked!! That's a bit harsh on Clowns.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 5, 2018 13:30:43 GMT
I would also add Brian Godfrey (RIP) - IMO one of the most inspirational players ever to play for Bristol Rovers. Agree blueridge. It was a strange one in 1971, we did a straight swap (I think) Godfrey for Graydon, yet Graydon was on his way up and should have been a far more valuable player than BG being older and past his best. But not at all, the fans, as I remember, didn’t really mind and took well to BG who became a far more important player for us than Graydon ever was. Probably explains a bit why we never took to Graydon as a manager. UTG! Not being old enough to remember Graydon as a player for us, I never took to him because he was a rubbish manager 😉
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 5, 2018 14:47:59 GMT
Agree blueridge. It was a strange one in 1971, we did a straight swap (I think) Godfrey for Graydon, yet Graydon was on his way up and should have been a far more valuable player than BG being older and past his best. But not at all, the fans, as I remember, didn’t really mind and took well to BG who became a far more important player for us than Graydon ever was. Probably explains a bit why we never took to Graydon as a manager. UTG! Not being old enough to remember Graydon as a player for us, I never took to him because he was a rubbish manager 😉 I was trying to be kind by saying “we never took to him.” Your analysis is probably more accurate! 😉 UTG!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 5, 2018 17:04:43 GMT
Graydon was quite exiting to watch, fast and tricky ,went on many a mazey run but more often than not finished by blazing shot miles over bar or past post, so not in the Harold class!Godfrey combative half/back (modern midfielder)who could win ball pass it and finish ,bit of a poor mans Paul Scholes, swap worked well for Villa and Rovers, happy days!
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 5, 2018 18:47:21 GMT
Why imho he has championship and prem experience , and also experience with a number of clubs so he can look at areas from different prospectives. we need to change ideas and tactics and formation and need someone to motivate the team If he's this super manager, whys he unemployed? Would of thought being a super manager he could have his pick of jobs? Just moved house so he has other things to do. Still has media work. Has family. Why should he jump into a job every time he's not a manager?
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