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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 6, 2018 9:25:56 GMT
But we can't stay at an undeveloped Mem forever, something has to give in the next few years, either we get a new stadium or we drop back to Div 2 and then watch teams like Salford and Exeter, even possibly FGR, leave us behind. Small temporary developments have happened. But you didn't like them and say they're an embarrassment that shouldn't have been built. And then you didn't like the fact the owners haven't spent any money on the things you don't like and say shouldn't have been built. Welcome back! Problem is they are only "temporary" in name not nature. Although not sure I ever said they shouldn't be built as I appreciate they are of a benefit to some fans. Anyway what do you make of the takeover rumours?
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Oct 6, 2018 9:27:10 GMT
To be fair LCJ, the stands are sponsored. The sponsorship price for each stand was £10k per season. The cost of build of each stand was £10k. The board have spent nothing on stands. and we get to keep the profit so DC can have a bigger budget ! Happy Days
Exactly. Why can't people see this? Rather than just the negative "oh we didn't pay for it"
Next season it's pure profit, yet for some thats not good enough.
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Post by Congas on Oct 6, 2018 9:38:56 GMT
It's good enough if they're really temporary, but if they're still there in 19 years time then it ain't good enough
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Post by LJG on Oct 6, 2018 10:01:57 GMT
Small temporary developments have happened. But you didn't like them and say they're an embarrassment that shouldn't have been built. And then you didn't like the fact the owners haven't spent any money on the things you don't like and say shouldn't have been built. To be fair LCJ, the stands are sponsored. The sponsorship price for each stand was £10k per season. The cost of build of each stand was £10k. The board have spent nothing on stands. I didn't say they had. I'm merely highlighting the fact that the same posters who say the stands are an embarrassment are also annoyed that the Al Qadis didn't pay for them. Which is a total failure of logic. "I think this thing is rubbish but I'm annoyed the club haven't incurred a cost bringing this thing which I think is rubbish in".
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Post by LJG on Oct 6, 2018 10:04:56 GMT
Small temporary developments have happened. But you didn't like them and say they're an embarrassment that shouldn't have been built. And then you didn't like the fact the owners haven't spent any money on the things you don't like and say shouldn't have been built. Welcome back! Problem is they are only "temporary" in name not nature. Although not sure I ever said they shouldn't be built as I appreciate they are of a benefit to some fans. Anyway what do you make of the takeover rumours? Thank you. They're bollox I hope. Better the devil you know.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 6, 2018 11:12:38 GMT
Well I think it's a very interesting discussion. The thing I've always loved about Rovers is our soul. Personally I have been very happy getting wet when queueing up for a pasty as I'm watching my team. People don't always prefer top hotels they go camping as it's real and not fake, but I take your point Blueridge that we need to compete. There hasn't been a mass exodus to City by the young who have what you desire and I know city fans who don't like the corporate image and feel Bristol City have gone, replaced by Bristol Sport. Long time fans moved from their seats as they can get more money from those with more money. What happened to the Red Red Robin? surely that's their tradition isn't it. Their fans seem obsessed by us and jealous of our loyalty and soul. Why is there a campaign for safe standing if comfort is what every fan is seeking? The roots of football is tribal and played by players the fans relate to. Geoff Bradford used to catch the bus to the match and was loyal. I prefer that to watching millionaires playing who would leave and go anywhere for an extra quid. Why do you think fans sing 'hes one of our own'? We want to relate to our club and players. If you listen to 5 live after a game it's full of pampered fans moaning and groaning from the top Prem clubs, I had to laugh remembering Man u fans demanding they get rid of van Gaal and saying we must get Mourinho, now they want to get rid of him. Compromise is the answer, is it possible to have money and soul? I wouldn't like to lose our soul. utg.
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Post by tomylil on Oct 6, 2018 11:24:50 GMT
I couldn't put it better. This is why we are a special club with amazing fans 👍👍👍 But we can't stay at an undeveloped Mem forever, something has to give in the next few years, either we get a new stadium or we drop back to Div 2 and then watch teams like Salford and Exeter, even possibly FGR, leave us behind. I can see Exeter do that but never the other two to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 11:26:38 GMT
Well I think it's a very interesting discussion. The thing I've always loved about Rovers is our soul. Personally I have been very happy getting wet queueing up for a pasty watching my team. People don't always prefer top hotels they go camping as it's real and not fake, but I take your point Blueridge that we need to compete. There hasn't been a mass exodus to City by the young who have what you desire and I know city fans who don't like the corporate image and feel Bristol City have gone, replaced by Bristol Sport. Long time fans moved from their seats as they can get more money from those with more money. What happened to the Red Red Robin? surely that's their tradition isn't it. Their fans seem obsessed by us and jealous of our loyalty and soul. Why is there a campaign for safe standing if comfort is what every fan is seeking? The roots of football is tribal and played by players the fans relate to. Geoff Bradford used to catch the bus to the match and was loyal. I prefer that to watching millionaires playing who would leave and go anywhere for an extra quid. Why do you think fans sing 'hes one of our own'? We want to relate to our club and players. If you listen to 5 live after a game it's full of pampered fans moaning and groaning from the top Prem clubs, I had to laugh remembering Man u fans demanding they get rid of van Gaal and saying we must get Mourinho, now they want to get rid of him. Compromise is the answer, is it possible to have money and soul? I wouldn't like to lose our soul. utg. Happy getting wet queuing and watching football rather than being in a dry stadium watching crazy person.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 7, 2018 20:10:58 GMT
Just wanted to say that, since my original post, it has been enlightening to see how many people believe that they can read my mind, or know exactly what I’m thinking based purely on that one piece of writing . . . They appear to think that because I was honest and said that i don’t currently care about a new stadium etc., then that somehow means that I don’t want the best for our club - how sad . . . Of course I wish for more; of course I want the very best for Rovers - ground-wise, team-wise, staff-wise, etc. But let’s face it - right now, it wouldn’t matter if we were playing at Camp Nou or the Dam Olympiastadion - we’d still be staring down the barrel of a potential relegation dogfight. So yeah, right now I don’t care that we don’t have a shiny new stadium, or a brick with my Dam name on it, cos what’s happening on-field and (if some are to be believed) also behind the scenes is much more pressing and important. Sorry and all, but that’s how I see it and it doesn’t make me less of a gashead than anyone else.
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Post by dragonfly on Oct 7, 2018 21:06:35 GMT
Just wanted to say that, since my original post, it has been enlightening to see how many people believe that they can read my mind, or know exactly what I’m thinking based purely on that one piece of writing . . . They appear to think that because I was honest and said that i don’t currently care about a new stadium etc., then that somehow means that I don’t want the best for our club - how sad . . . Of course I wish for more; of course I want the very best for Rovers - ground-wise, team-wise, staff-wise, etc. But let’s face it - right now, it wouldn’t matter if we were playing at Camp Nou or the f**king Olympiastadion - we’d still be staring down the barrel of a potential relegation dogfight. So yeah, right now I don’t care that we don’t have a shiny new stadium, or a brick with my f**king name on it, cos what’s happening on-field and (if some are to be believed) also behind the scenes is much more pressing and important. Sorry and all, but that’s how I see it and it doesn’t make me less of a gashead than anyone else. I agree with this Olskool, you keep speaking as you see it and don't pay attention to those who seek to subvert your views. Just take the situation at Man Utd with their vast amounts of money, expensive players, great stadium and they are misfiring right now. Dc needs to be less stubborn, work it out and I have confidence that he will.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:47:42 GMT
But we can't stay at an undeveloped Mem forever, something has to give in the next few years, either we get a new stadium or we drop back to Div 2 and then watch teams like Salford and Exeter, even possibly FGR, leave us behind. I can see Exeter do that but never the other two to be fair. Not being funny but fleetwood are very similar to salford and forest green. In fleetwoods case their set up is much better than ours and their team probably better than ours. Add fc fylde to the list of clubs likely to overtake us . Ps im not anti owner,i just think we need a new ground of our own.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 8, 2018 0:11:04 GMT
In all these conversations about other clubs now having better facilities than us and overtaking us, Fleetwood, AFC Fylde (?), Salford, FGR, Exeter, Burton, and many others, the wonder isn’t that they may overtake us and do better, the amazing thing is that they haven’t overtaken already and left us behind. I go back to the mid-60s and I haven’t got time to look at the league now and say we used to be better than them becaus e that list is getting longer all the time. There’s not much I can do about it but most of those clubs have a man with a plan supported by finance. We unfortunately haven’t been led by men with the finance to support whatever plan they started with. It’s sad but true. That most of those clubs haven’t overtaken us yet, they will in time unless we do something, is due largely to our loyal and large fanbase for this division. It’s bad enough that clubs like Reading, Brighton, Bournemouth, even the ****, Wigan, Brentford, and Swansea have overtaken us in the last 25 years when they were our traditional rivals. To have this next lot overtake us will be heart breaking. The passion of our fans has been immense and the saddest thing for me has been the inability of north or east Bristol to have a Tony Perry (Brighton), an Andy Piley (Fleetwood), Huw Jenkins (Swansea), Gary Neville etc (Salford), Dave Whelan (Wigan), John Madjescy (Reading) or even a Stephen Lansdowne (s***) to lead us to a brighter future. Until there is I fear we will just be p****** in the wind and latching onto anyone who gives us a glimpse of a hope of something better for a year or two. I’m sorry I’ve got no answers but it wont stop me turning up shouting for the team and even pretending we played ok yesterday when in truth it wasn’t very good and we were short of quality in most areas. We are where we’ve spent most of our time but in truth whereas in the past we were usually near the top of the division and were able to compete for promotion mostvyears from mid -60s to when we went up and again able to compete from mid 80s until about 2000, now we struggle to compete at th top of this division. It’s not impossible but getting increasingly unlikely without owners prepared to finance our transformation or at least communicate what their plans are. UTG!
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Post by althepirate on Oct 8, 2018 3:17:11 GMT
Well said Warehamgas it's fans like you who have kept our beloved club in existence.
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Post by newtogas on Oct 8, 2018 11:27:09 GMT
Good news that they're open now it seems. Will there be tickets on sale for Saturday in the Family Stand, or the other new stand do you know- or is it ST only? Someone posted that the Family Stand had sold out the other day. If you go on the club ticketing web site you should be able to view the seating in all stands to see where the availability is. I didn't make it down but thank you- will check the site today for the next home game.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 8, 2018 12:17:00 GMT
I can't make out what the club are doing with the new stand, tickets wise, as you can't buy them online but it's only a third full at most if you take away the youth(?) players who now seem to use it instead of the south stand. Why doesn't the club offer deals i.e. free kids seats etc to get families using the stand now it's been built?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 12:27:16 GMT
I can't make out what the club are doing with the new stand, tickets wise, as you can't buy them online but it's only a third full at most if you take away the youth(?) players who now seem to use it instead of the south stand. Why doesn't the club offer deals i.e. free kids seats etc to get families using the stand now it's been built? It wasn’t built it was erected
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 8, 2018 12:33:07 GMT
In all these conversations about other clubs now having better facilities than us and overtaking us, Fleetwood, AFC Fylde (?), Salford, FGR, Exeter, Burton, and many others, the wonder isn’t that they may overtake us and do better, the amazing thing is that they haven’t overtaken already and left us behind. I go back to the mid-60s and I haven’t got time to look at the league now and say we used to be better than them becaus e that list is getting longer all the time. There’s not much I can do about it but most of those clubs have a man with a plan supported by finance. We unfortunately haven’t been led by men with the finance to support whatever plan they started with. It’s sad but true. That most of those clubs haven’t overtaken us yet, they will in time unless we do something, is due largely to our loyal and large fanbase for this division. It’s bad enough that clubs like Reading, Brighton, Bournemouth, even the ****, Wigan, Brentford, and Swansea have overtaken us in the last 25 years when they were our traditional rivals. To have this next lot overtake us will be heart breaking. The passion of our fans has been immense and the saddest thing for me has been the inability of north or east Bristol to have a Tony Perry (Brighton), an Andy Piley (Fleetwood), Huw Jenkins (Swansea), Gary Neville etc (Salford), Dave Whelan (Wigan), John Madjescy (Reading) or even a Stephen Lansdowne (s***) to lead us to a brighter future. Until there is I fear we will just be p****** in the wind and latching onto anyone who gives us a glimpse of a hope of something better for a year or two. I’m sorry I’ve got no answers but it wont stop me turning up shouting for the team and even pretending we played ok yesterday when in truth it wasn’t very good and we were short of quality in most areas. We are where we’ve spent most of our time but in truth whereas in the past we were usually near the top of the division and were able to compete for promotion mostvyears from mid -60s to when we went up and again able to compete from mid 80s until about 2000, now we struggle to compete at th top of this division. It’s not impossible but getting increasingly unlikely without owners prepared to finance our transformation or at least communicate what their plans are. UTG! Very true and although I'm always trying to be positive, I'll happily admit that in my dark days the likes of reading, Brighton, Bournemouth, Wigan, Brentford, Swansea etc do wind me up. Most had genuinely awful grounds (although that was pretty much the norm in the 80's and even 90's). I only started away games in 1989 but I had trips to sh**e grounds like elm park, Bloomfield rd, layer rd, Leeds rd & millmoor. Even Goldstone ground was crap - big yes, but still crap. And trashton. And we matched them on the pitch pretty much everytime. We had lots of regular rivalries, regular visits. Now it's very rare. Does anyone remember how many fans were at swans Vs gas at our lowest ebb in late 2001? Just over 3,000. They were on their knees. Awful stadium. Empty. Look what they've done since. I worked in Brentford and to see them successful in the Championship is staggering. Whilst we don't even have a trg ground of our own, nor one where all players are together. It is bloody poor. I don't really want a soulless bowl but I'll live with it it if helps attract players, staff, fans, & revenue. A trg ground is also utterly vital - more vital in the short run (& then in to the long run)
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Post by tomylil on Oct 8, 2018 15:00:15 GMT
I can see Exeter do that but never the other two to be fair. Not being funny but fleetwood are very similar to salford and forest green. In fleetwoods case their set up is much better than ours and their team probably better than ours. Add fc fylde to the list of clubs likely to overtake us . Ps im not anti owner,i just think we need a new ground of our own. Not disagreeing. What I meant in terms of overtaking is the whole package eg; becoming a bigger club, with larger crowds, and I can only see Exeter having the potential to do that if they got everything else right.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 8, 2018 15:35:46 GMT
If the other clubs are continually finishing above us in the league and have a better ground etc does it really matter if we have bigger crowds, although if we drop back to Div 2 gates will soon start heading back towards 5,000/6,000 again, Saturday's gate must have only just broke 7,000 for home fans.
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Post by lpgas on Oct 8, 2018 19:20:17 GMT
My family was so poor i had a 2nd hand girls bike.... had a lasting effect on me We know. My family were so poor we were taken in to Kentucky Fried Chicken to lick other people fingers
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