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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 17:27:31 GMT
But you are only looking at ROI in terms of money. There are other 'things' that contribute to ROI. Why do you think the multi-national, huge company Fuson bought Wolves? They get a ROI, but they are not really interested in that ROI being in pounds are they ! PR, advertising, brand image, these all contribute to what is called ROI. Steve Lansdown is retired I think and uses his personal wealth, not cash currently generated by Hargreaves Lansdown. So I am not convinced he sees value in personal PR, advertising or brand image. As an individual investor into City I am pretty sure he would look for the investment into the stadium to show a return. The ROI for SL may just be personal satisfaction. The point I'm making is that ROI doesn't have to be a cash value.
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Post by womble on Nov 2, 2018 17:53:14 GMT
One of the advantages of not writing off all the debt, is that it prevents anyone from bidding to acquire the club. When they looked likely relegation candidates and there were anti-Lansdown rumblings amongst some of their fan base, SL is effectively bullet proof as clearing the outstanding debt to him, plus the acquisition cost of the club, makes any takeover a non-starter. What? They aren't a public company, Lansdown owns them outright. He doesn't have to sell to anybody, no matter what they offer.
I imagine the main advantage is a reduction in tax via the interest payments, should City receive some kind of windfall and make a profit.
Indeed not, anymore than our owners do - but if there are no potential suitors, the chances of public pressure to sell is much reduced. I doubt the 82ers forum produces 100 page threads every time a rumoured buy out is in the offing, because they know there’s no chance of it happening.
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Post by badengas on Nov 2, 2018 17:55:43 GMT
I give them 4 years before it all goes tits up again. We can then call them the 22ers !
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Post by kruger on Nov 2, 2018 17:56:42 GMT
I'd rather be in their position than ours, they have an owner that will pay off the debt, we have an owner that wont point they have one owner we have a family who own us ie the family have all got to agree to put money in yes and the.main man isn't interested
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Post by allgasandgaiters on Nov 2, 2018 18:04:53 GMT
True, if it weren't for Tammy carrying them, they be in league 1. BUT... we have to start doing more ourselves, i am not one to hope they get relegated, i want Bristol Rovers to pull their fingers out thier ass and aspire to be in the championship.
Cant we hope for both?
We wont do anything without serious cash injection and that includes a new stadium. Yo-yo'ing between L1 and L2 is the best we can hope for as things stand.
The only difference between Rovers and City is SL.
Not sure this is the BEST we can hope for is it? Mid-table mediocrity with an occasional play-off flirtation in L1 is probably the best. Yo-yo is more likely though ….
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 2, 2018 18:08:54 GMT
I'd rather be in their position than ours, they have an owner that will pay off the debt, we have an owner that wont point they have one owner we have a family who own us ie the family have all got to agree to put money in Isn't the opposite really the case as SL & son are fully committed to the 82ers but the impression we're getting is that only Wael is really interested and the main family member, Hani, has real no interest in football. You sense we might have been better off in the long run if Wael had just invested in the club himself even if he's the poor member of the family.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 2, 2018 18:12:17 GMT
Cant we hope for both?
We wont do anything without serious cash injection and that includes a new stadium. Yo-yo'ing between L1 and L2 is the best we can hope for as things stand.
The only difference between Rovers and City is SL.
Not sure this is the BEST we can hope for is it? Mid-table mediocrity with an occasional play-off flirtation in L1 is probably the best. Yo-yo is more likely though ….
Depends how you look at it. Without a pot to water in I think it is as even in L1 you need money to be at the top.
Our momentum gave us a decent first season and Accrington are doing the same, but in the end (especially these days) money talks.
There are exceptions but those usually have a good scouting network and/or training facilities .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 19:13:16 GMT
Lighten up ffs.I hope they reach their promised land this season.
Then 1 day later the Sky money bubble bursts.
Then we might see how much appetite the Log retains in his personal shitfest.
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Post by axegas on Nov 2, 2018 19:16:47 GMT
Lighten up ffs.I hope they reach their promised land this season. Then 1 day later the Sky money bubble bursts. Then we might see how much appetite the Log retains in his personal shitfest. Bizarre statement for a gashead to make? Do you generally want City to reach the Premier League?
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Post by socrates on Nov 2, 2018 21:24:54 GMT
Shitchat.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 2, 2018 21:28:50 GMT
Not Gas Works but Sewage Works.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 2, 2018 21:42:18 GMT
Not sure this is the BEST we can hope for is it? Mid-table mediocrity with an occasional play-off flirtation in L1 is probably the best. Yo-yo is more likely though ….
Depends how you look at it. Without a pot to water in I think it is as even in L1 you need money to be at the top.
Our momentum gave us a decent first season and Accrington are doing the same, but in the end (especially these days) money talks.
There are exceptions but those usually have a good scouting network and/or training facilities .
Completely agree with this. Which is precisely why the moaners need to gain some perspective and realise we were previously punching above our weight. DC will have done a good job to keep us up for a 3rd consecutive season in this league
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Post by aghast on Nov 2, 2018 22:23:13 GMT
I love yet another thread where amateur accountants try to use lots of accounting terms to cover up the fact that they know nothing much about it, but hope to be able to bluff all the other pretenders in a game of big brain on a teeny weeny League 1 forum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 22:29:35 GMT
Delete the 3 pages of crap
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 22:52:40 GMT
Cant we hope for both?
We wont do anything without serious cash injection and that includes a new stadium. Yo-yo'ing between L1 and L2 is the best we can hope for as things stand.
The only difference between Rovers and City is SL.
Yup, and exactly why we need a takeover to happen. We arent building anything with the ALQs in charge. Your wrong though we dont need or even want a takeover. Unless of course its backed up by a crazy amount of money. Then we can join all the championship clubs massively in debt but with owners turning the debt into equity/writing it off. Its a good thread because we simply all want rovers to join the mad house that city,brentford,bournemouth,preston,millwall etc etc are in. Lots of fans turn up at their clubs really believing they are genuine championship would be premier league teams when in realty they are nothing of the sort. A takeover in itself is useless unless someone or some group can give us about £50m and be unsure they will ever get the cash back. In truth we all want to be like bristol city,a club making no business sense what so ever but nonetheless in the championship. You go on the city forum you will be hard pressed to even find a mention of their massive losses because it dosnt seem all that important to them[the fans].
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 22:58:47 GMT
I'd rather be in their position than ours, they have an owner that will pay off the debt, we have an owner that wont Thats ok but at the same time you have to then accept that your club is in a totally false position. Although so many clubs are just like city that it gets confusing. If the "charge" against the mem stuff is true we dont yet know if our owners will pay off the debt. We dont know do we?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 23:03:10 GMT
Not sure this is the BEST we can hope for is it? Mid-table mediocrity with an occasional play-off flirtation in L1 is probably the best. Yo-yo is more likely though ….
Depends how you look at it. Without a pot to water in I think it is as even in L1 you need money to be at the top.
Our momentum gave us a decent first season and Accrington are doing the same, but in the end (especially these days) money talks.
There are exceptions but those usually have a good scouting network and/or training facilities .
Who are the exceptions? Not a loaded question but which clubs have sustained improvement without money? Maybe burnley?
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Post by althepirate on Nov 2, 2018 23:04:39 GMT
Well isn't it just being viewed as a long term investment by these rich guys? Amazon went for years making losses every year now they are making a fortune. If Lansdown has enough one day he simply sells up to recoup his investment. Isn't that how it works?
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Post by lpgas on Nov 2, 2018 23:38:12 GMT
Does anyone know if this includes the money they've spent on the stadium? I'm assuming not No because the ground belongs to Bristol Sport, they pay a teeny weeny rent
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Post by lpgas on Nov 2, 2018 23:55:24 GMT
the truth is SL has enough money to pay for most sports clubs in Bristol, and he could also fund the council if he wanted. The gate has big crowds every week with the rugby now in the Prem. can you imagine what league they would be in if they were still at the Mem. Yes we want someone with a lot of money who can build a ground, a top class training ground AND finance the team in to the Championship, all this I'd rather stay in lower league stuff bonkers but is one of the main themes running through the club. 1. No ambition 2. Always looking backwards to our "glory days" whenever they were. Truth is, I don't mind DC getting the sack if it means we avoid division 2 and next season we can start off again with a manager who knows how to build a successful team and incorporates the DEV squad in to the future. I'm fed up watching the hapless Nichols and journeyman Payne , who cost us a total of £550k.
(and they don't back him do they? )
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