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Post by Squiffy on Nov 3, 2018 7:28:27 GMT
I note that the article states that City owe SL £65m in “interest free” loans which the ALQ’s could choose to do, but have not, and could be an indicator of their altruistic intent.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 3, 2018 11:03:03 GMT
Depends how you look at it. Without a pot to water in I think it is as even in L1 you need money to be at the top.
Our momentum gave us a decent first season and Accrington are doing the same, but in the end (especially these days) money talks.
There are exceptions but those usually have a good scouting network and/or training facilities .
Who are the exceptions? Not a loaded question but which clubs have sustained improvement without money? Maybe burnley?
Off the top of my head Burton managed it successfully until last season, Accrington had been knocking at L1's door for a few seasons now before finally coming up and are continuing their form. Leicester winning the Premier League..
There are going to be exceptions to most things in football (even fortunes post new stadiums) as its not an exact science but generally money will bring success.
IMO the top of L1 requires an extra bit of quality that you can get away with more in L2. If you don't have money you probably wont get there without a good scouting network to find gems cheaply, or training/stadium facilities to attract players who wouldn't normally consider you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 11:33:05 GMT
Lighten up ffs.I hope they reach their promised land this season. Then 1 day later the Sky money bubble bursts. Then we might see how much appetite the Log retains in his personal shitfest. Bizarre statement for a gashead to make? Do you generally want City to reach the Premier League? Um,never,not generally or genuinely. The clue is in line 2. and line 3!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 3, 2018 12:06:06 GMT
Who are the exceptions? Not a loaded question but which clubs have sustained improvement without money? Maybe burnley?
Off the top of my head Burton managed it successfully until last season, Accrington had been knocking at L1's door for a few seasons now before finally coming up and are continuing their form. Leicester winning the Premier League..
There are going to be exceptions to most things in football (even fortunes post new stadiums) as its not an exact science but generally money will bring success.
IMO the top of L1 requires an extra bit of quality that you can get away with more in L2. If you don't have money you probably wont get there without a good scouting network to find gems cheaply, or training/stadium facilities to attract players who wouldn't normally consider you.
Burton probably have one of the best English managers in the EFL, Accrington like Plymouth & Rovers in recent seasons are most likely still on their first season feel good factor promotion brings and Leicester were owned by a billionaire who was happy, like SL, to pump millions into the club. Just because a handful of clubs like Bournemouth & Brighton have owners happy to bankroll their clubs doesn't mean we're going to be that lucky. Whilst we hoped the ALQ's would the truth is they seem to have no intention of doing so.
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Post by axegas on Nov 3, 2018 15:57:58 GMT
Bizarre statement for a gashead to make? Do you generally want City to reach the Premier League? Um,never,not generally or genuinely. The clue is in line 2. and line 3! Yeah I know that but do you really think that Line 2 and 3 would actually happen? City get promoted to the premier league and they will sell out every game, steal a generation of fans off of us and reap £100m from TV revenue pushing them into another dimension from us. Not what we want happening is it?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 4, 2018 12:42:32 GMT
Their big thread about us has slipped to the 2nd page on OTIB. Last post was shortly before yesterdays games...coincidence?
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Post by mftc on Nov 4, 2018 13:27:17 GMT
When we are in a real mess, the fans rally. Picking stones off the pitch at Twerton, Raise The Roof, the Share scheme etc.
When SL leaves, what is going to happen to City? His son took over for 3 months with the 3 Pillars speeches (or whatever) and almost got them relegated.
City fans I know don't rate his son, so if tries to follow his Dads mantle, they fear it could all go Pete Tong. With City's fickle fans if they get relegated with large wages, they do a 82 all over again.
City's fanbase may have the numbers, but they don't have anyone like Gordon Bennett, Ray Kendall, Steve Burns, Jim Chappell, the 50/50 sellers, the people who do their bit on the forums etc, people who devote hours unpaid year in year out and that is why they could soon be in real trouble.
Didn't Gooch and Dolman give huge legacies to City and they messed it up. History could well repeat itself.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 4, 2018 13:48:00 GMT
Didn't Gooch and Dolman give huge legacies to City and they messed it up. History could well repeat itself. Yeah, Blackburn won the title and then Jack Walker left them enough that they'd never have to worry again, and yet... The stakes in football increase exponentially, anything that happens now will pale compared to what is being risked in 20 years time.
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Post by rusho'gas on Nov 4, 2018 13:59:44 GMT
It's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow most seek. Why worry about them, they aren't good enough or big enough to warrant the sleeping giant status their morons think they are. Plenty bigger and further up the food chain with better resources.
Let them continue to rack up massive debts, one day that vile turncoat will pull out and they will be a fourth division team playing in front of 5000 fans.
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 4, 2018 23:07:45 GMT
It's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow most seek. Why worry about them, they aren't good enough or big enough to warrant the sleeping giant status their morons think they are. Plenty bigger and further up the food chain with better resources. Let them continue to rack up massive debts, one day that vile turncoat will pull out and they will be a fourth division team playing in front of 5000 fans. Or like last time 2,000, and most of those were debt collectors Beam me up OTIB
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Post by blueblood1883 on Nov 4, 2018 23:55:57 GMT
Their big thread about us has slipped to the 2nd page on OTIB. Last post was shortly before yesterdays games...coincidence? Slightly off topic but the poor fickle little mites want Johnson in, I mean Johnson out, the snake to start, I mean on the bench, £5m French striker in, I mean f**k off back across the channel, and my current favourite.. Moyes in because he loves us and said so.. Waiting on the next hilarious instalment that is OTIB..
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Post by Captain Jayho on Nov 5, 2018 0:15:23 GMT
Next thing you know they'll be changing their mascot to a highly virile dog so they can make DC feel at home when they pinch him #notobsessed
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Post by farmygas on Nov 5, 2018 11:16:30 GMT
Where's the evidence that the ALQ's can just write off £10m/15m? Where's the evidence they CANNOT write off our debt ? The Colony is a field of weeds despite us having only 7 months left at Cribbs. The Mem redevelopment is a tent.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 5, 2018 11:43:50 GMT
Where's the evidence that the ALQ's can just write off £10m/15m? Where's the evidence they CANNOT write off our debt ? None, but it was you, not me, who posted they could, I sense the ALQ's are nowhere near as wealthy as we all orignally thought.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 5, 2018 12:01:54 GMT
Where's the evidence they CANNOT write off our debt ? None, but it was you, not me, who posted they could, I sense the ALQ's are nowhere near as wealthy as we all orignally thought. combined wealth of cash and Assets reported recently @ £400m (maybe Swissgas posted this ?)
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Post by peterparker on Nov 5, 2018 12:57:35 GMT
Where's the evidence they CANNOT write off our debt ? None, but it was you, not me, who posted they could, I sense the ALQ's are nowhere near as wealthy as we all orignally thought. who is all? and how much did we all think they were worth?
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Nov 5, 2018 13:22:45 GMT
When we are in a real mess, the fans rally. Picking stones off the pitch at Twerton, Raise The Roof, the Share scheme etc. When SL leaves, what is going to happen to City? His son took over for 3 months with the 3 Pillars speeches (or whatever) and almost got them relegated. City fans I know don't rate his son, so if tries to follow his Dads mantle, they fear it could all go Pete Tong. With City's fickle fans if they get relegated with large wages, they do a 82 all over again. City's fanbase may have the numbers, but they don't have anyone like Gordon Bennett, Ray Kendall, Steve Burns, Jim Chappell, the 50/50 sellers, the people who do their bit on the forums etc, people who devote hours unpaid year in year out and that is why they could soon be in real trouble. Didn't Gooch and Dolman give huge legacies to City and they messed it up. History could well repeat itself. I normally love a bit of City bashing but I'll have to disagree with this point. I think when the going gets tough supporters of all walks of life will rally round and do whatever they have to do to keep their clubs alive. My granddad I assume in 82 took the holiday money he and my nan saved and took time off work to give it to City to help keep the club alive.
They're arrogant when they've got absolutely nothing to be arrogant about, but the one thing I wouldn't suggest is we're anymore passionate/dedicated about our sides.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 5, 2018 13:32:19 GMT
I normally love a bit of City bashing but I'll have to disagree with this point. I think when the going gets tough supporters of all walks of life will rally round and do whatever they have to do to keep their clubs alive. My granddad I assume in 82 took the holiday money he and my nan saved and took time off work to give it to City to help keep the club alive.
They're arrogant when they've got absolutely nothing to be arrogant about, but the one thing I wouldn't suggest is we're anymore passionate/dedicated about our sides.
Yeah, genuine supporters are genuine supporters whoever they support, and generally they know what the score is. The 'we've got more money than you' halfwits would be the first to disappear as soon as the going gets tough, but the core support will be there.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 5, 2018 14:24:36 GMT
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Post by oldgas on Nov 5, 2018 16:48:37 GMT
The Sh1!heads are all over this thread on One Turd. For anyone from there reading this with help from their support worker; we despise your plastic franchise club. Without the Lady Garden's money you'd be nothing, and when he gets fed up with losing money year on year and pulls the plug, we'll soon see how many fans you really have.
What was the average post 1982? The low 4,000's I seem to recall.
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