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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 8:26:24 GMT
The owners/board have been a disgrace, and the sooner they **** off the better. I’m suprised the fans haven’t turned on them during/after matches. What is the point in them being here? We are losing money and it’s just radio silence and regression. If they want success, do something. If they want out, leave. The state of the new training ground says it all. I have been critical of D.C. this season, and questioned whether he should stay, but it’s almost unfair to judge him in the current environment. As far as which type of person I would like to continue at the club, I would take him over the owners any day. They've made mistakes and the lack of communication of late is concerning, sure. The animosity towards them is slightly head scratching though. They've backed the manager to an acceptable point and haven't done anything drastically wrong off the pitch to justify some of the language on here. Genuinely not sure what people expect someone else to come along and bring. We have no right to a swanky new stadium and training complex.
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Post by geddongas on Nov 28, 2018 8:31:47 GMT
The owners/board have been a disgrace, and the sooner they **** off the better. I’m suprised the fans haven’t turned on them during/after matches. What is the point in them being here? We are losing money and it’s just radio silence and regression. If they want success, do something. If they want out, leave. The state of the new training ground says it all. I have been critical of D.C. this season, and questioned whether he should stay, but it’s almost unfair to judge him in the current environment. As far as which type of person I would like to continue at the club, I would take him over the owners any day. They've made mistakes and the lack of communication of late is concerning, sure. The animosity towards them is slightly head scratching though. They've backed the manager to an acceptable point and haven't done anything drastically wrong off the pitch to justify some of the language on here. Genuinely not sure what people expect someone else to come along and bring. We have no right to a swanky new stadium and training complex. I understood their premise and supported them at first but all we really ask of the owners is to provide something to push the club in the right direction. The debt that the club is in is a concern for any owner, but you take that on when you do your due diligence. So far they've revamped a few things, to replace a stripping of any meaningful playing assets we had. And clearly they don't want to deal with the fans and would rather wheel out Hamer who is, to all intents and purposes, a spokesman giving politician's answers. Useless to us, clearly useless to Darrell as he seemed as in the dark as we do. It's not so much the monetary part as it is that they just do not seem to care. That's what I feel, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 8:46:43 GMT
This. For God's sake Wael, back him before we lose the best manager we've had since Gerry Francis. Managers of this quality do not come to club's like ours very often and the complete lack of direction from the top threatens to push him away. Direction comes from the very top, over to you Wael.... That's us fecked then.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Nov 28, 2018 8:54:40 GMT
The owners/board have been a disgrace, and the sooner they **** off the better. I’m suprised the fans haven’t turned on them during/after matches. What is the point in them being here? We are losing money and it’s just radio silence and regression. If they want success, do something. If they want out, leave. The state of the new training ground says it all. I have been critical of D.C. this season, and questioned whether he should stay, but it’s almost unfair to judge him in the current environment. As far as which type of person I would like to continue at the club, I would take him over the owners any day. They've made mistakes and the lack of communication of late is concerning, sure. The animosity towards them is slightly head scratching though. They've backed the manager to an acceptable point and haven't done anything drastically wrong off the pitch to justify some of the language on here. Genuinely not sure what people expect someone else to come along and bring. We have no right to a swanky new stadium and training complex. Really? Stadium? nothing, that took Brighton 10 years so we aren't going to bother any time soon. Training ground? due to be ready 18 months ago, its an overgrown field. Go ask the people who put the fence up what it's like to be owed money by the club They've gone into hiding.Apparently we have a CEO. Old father time Hamer gets wheeled out to bull**** everyone. Have they even invested money? A £10m debt run up against our only asset. Could you give any indication of how we will progress under the owners? We are sleepwalking towards oblivion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 9:08:35 GMT
Problem is if he keeps being openly critical of the board sooner or later they will have to sack him. You can’t continually criticise your boss without any repercussions. UTG If they sack him, they will have to pay out some money.......and these chancers are tighter than a Nun's chuff.
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Post by alvestongas on Nov 28, 2018 9:20:14 GMT
I feel like I have been had big time by the owners. Supported them 100% and thought we were on the up. The inability to carry through any of their promises, the absurd tents, the lack of communication leaves me almost speechless. I too back DC fully, he is not blame free, some of his signings have been awful & the team is lightweight and too small but he is the best man for the job.
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 28, 2018 9:27:03 GMT
I feel like I have been had big time by the owners. Supported them 100% and thought we were on the up. The inability to carry through any of their promises, the absurd tents, the lack of communication leaves me almost speechless. I too back DC fully, he is not blame free, some of his signings have been awful & the team is lightweight and too small but he is the best man for the job. I blame Nick Day when wael took over he said they have more money than god, now Wael has as much popularity as Theresa May 😂 both struggling with BR exits 😂😂 available for xmas party slots, limited dates left 😂😂😂😂
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 28, 2018 9:35:42 GMT
Exactly, I think some people need to realise the amount of money being spent on players these days (especially strikers). We sold 3 strikers for roughly 1.5m - and replaced them on 0.5m - that's already pathetic - then remember that Taylor & Bodin were probably worth 1.5m themselves each Showing a lack of understanding my friend. Taylor seemingly only resigned due to the infamous clause. He would have walked away for nothing otherwise. Bodin had 6 months left on his contract and could have walked away for nothing a few months later. The gulf in finances between L1 and Championship means we had no realistic chance of keeping either. In terms of reinvestment, we're losing millions a year and therefore the reality is that we were never going to reinvest more than we have. That's always going to be the case in the lower leagues. We not talking about the fire-sale prices we got for them, we are talking about their true worth as players.
If you are forced to sell 1 million pound car for a grand, you are still losing a million pound car.
There's no doubt that we had no choice but to sell, but there's no doubt that losing players with such value to the team has been detrimental to the team. The manager can't just find players to replace them like for like with a 6th of their value to spend. If it was easy everybody would be doing it.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 28, 2018 9:37:06 GMT
"Should Rovers fans be worried?"
"Yeah, we're bottom four of course we're worried"
one of many reasons DC is still the man for the job.
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Post by farmygas on Nov 28, 2018 9:38:19 GMT
DC said exactly what's been on my mind for months in that interview.
This fanbase should be in open warfare with the bullshitting Al-Qadi's but as usual we roll over to be tickled.
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 28, 2018 9:38:50 GMT
They've made mistakes and the lack of communication of late is concerning, sure. The animosity towards them is slightly head scratching though. They've backed the manager to an acceptable point and haven't done anything drastically wrong off the pitch to justify some of the language on here. Genuinely not sure what people expect someone else to come along and bring. We have no right to a swanky new stadium and training complex. Really? Stadium? nothing, that took Brighton 10 years so we aren't going to bother any time soon. Training ground? due to be ready 18 months ago, its an overgrown field. Go ask the people who put the fence up what it's like to be owed money by the club They've gone into hiding.Apparently we have a CEO. Old father time Hamer gets wheeled out to bull**** everyone. Have they even invested money? A £10m debt run up against our only asset. Could you give any indication of how we will progress under the owners? We are sleepwalking towards oblivion. Yes, they have provided money. They had a £10million pound asset with £3m debt, now they have a £10m asset with a £10m debt, so they are clearly worse off.
They have been prepared to finance the basic running of the club, there's no doubt about that. What they clearly aren't prepared to do is finance progress on the field, or the large capital sums needed for progress off it. Which means relative to other clubs, we will go backwards, again.
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Post by farmygas on Nov 28, 2018 9:40:03 GMT
Also no one is going to be able to do a better job as manager under this lot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 9:42:12 GMT
DC said exactly what's been on my mind for months in that interview. This fanbase should be in open warfare with the bullshitting Al-Qadi's but as usual we roll over to be tickled. I think the 'worm has turned'. The defenders of the AQ's are very few. I want them out, and have had that opinion since the UWE collapse. Wael said he would go if the fan's no longer wanted him...........off you go then Wael. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 9:42:55 GMT
They've made mistakes and the lack of communication of late is concerning, sure. The animosity towards them is slightly head scratching though. They've backed the manager to an acceptable point and haven't done anything drastically wrong off the pitch to justify some of the language on here. Genuinely not sure what people expect someone else to come along and bring. We have no right to a swanky new stadium and training complex. Really? Stadium? nothing, that took Brighton 10 years so we aren't going to bother any time soon. Training ground? due to be ready 18 months ago, its an overgrown field. Go ask the people who put the fence up what it's like to be owed money by the club They've gone into hiding.Apparently we have a CEO. Old father time Hamer gets wheeled out to bull**** everyone. Have they even invested money? A £10m debt run up against our only asset. Could you give any indication of how we will progress under the owners? We are sleepwalking towards oblivion. The stadium situation was obviously very disappointing and I accept that there is a major question mark around what's happening with any development. We have a training ground and will continue to have one for next season. A new complex would be fantastic but time will tell if finances permit that. Communication hasn't been great of late but it's not massively uncommon for football club owners not to have a public facing presence. In terms of progression, they've backed DC to an acceptable point and we appear to have a budget that's sustainable at League One level. Of course it would be a great if there were people knocking on the door with a blank cheque to reinvest millions into us. Things could be better but it's far from the crisis that people are portraying it to be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 9:47:10 GMT
Showing a lack of understanding my friend. Taylor seemingly only resigned due to the infamous clause. He would have walked away for nothing otherwise. Bodin had 6 months left on his contract and could have walked away for nothing a few months later. The gulf in finances between L1 and Championship means we had no realistic chance of keeping either. In terms of reinvestment, we're losing millions a year and therefore the reality is that we were never going to reinvest more than we have. That's always going to be the case in the lower leagues. We not talking about the fire-sale prices we got for them, we are talking about their true worth as players.
If you are forced to sell 1 million pound car for a grand, you are still losing a million pound car.
There's no doubt that we had no choice but to sell, but there's no doubt that losing players with such value to the team has been detrimental to the team. The manager can't just find players to replace them like for like with a 6th of their value to spend. If it was easy everybody would be doing it.
A player's contract will dictate his 'true worth'. A performing Bodin under a long term contract could have easily earned us £2m+ but that wasn't the case. Losing your best players is one the many challenges a lower league manager will face. It's a massively difficult task.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 9:47:38 GMT
Really? Stadium? nothing, that took Brighton 10 years so we aren't going to bother any time soon. Training ground? due to be ready 18 months ago, its an overgrown field. Go ask the people who put the fence up what it's like to be owed money by the club They've gone into hiding.Apparently we have a CEO. Old father time Hamer gets wheeled out to bull**** everyone. Have they even invested money? A £10m debt run up against our only asset. Could you give any indication of how we will progress under the owners? We are sleepwalking towards oblivion. The stadium situation was obviously very disappointing and I accept that there is a major question mark around what's happening with any development. We have a training ground and will continue to have one for next season. A new complex would be fantastic but time will tell if finances permit that. Communication hasn't been great of late but it's not massively uncommon for football club owners not to have a public facing presence. In terms of progression, they've backed DC to an acceptable point and we appear to have a budget that's sustainable at League One level. Of course it would be a great if there were people knocking on the door with a blank cheque to reinvest millions into us. Things could be better but it's far from the crisis that people are portraying it to be. "Communication hasn't been great of late" - Understatement of the century! "we appear to have a budget that's sustainable at League One level" - We are in the bottom four, so, not so sustainable. "We have a training ground and will continue to have one for next season." - We pay rent on a number of training grounds. "A new complex would be fantastic but time will tell if finances permit that." - Time has spoken, and the answer is a big fat NO. "I accept that there is a major question mark around what's happening with any development." - There is no question mark. Nothing is happening. "Things could be better but it's far from the crisis that people are portraying it to be." - Are you serious? Thanks for posting Mr Hamer.
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Post by mjhgas on Nov 28, 2018 9:58:36 GMT
So, DC has lost the team and the board have lost the manager!
It all went wrong when Steve Yates left!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 9:59:43 GMT
The stadium situation was obviously very disappointing and I accept that there is a major question mark around what's happening with any development. We have a training ground and will continue to have one for next season. A new complex would be fantastic but time will tell if finances permit that. Communication hasn't been great of late but it's not massively uncommon for football club owners not to have a public facing presence. In terms of progression, they've backed DC to an acceptable point and we appear to have a budget that's sustainable at League One level. Of course it would be a great if there were people knocking on the door with a blank cheque to reinvest millions into us. Things could be better but it's far from the crisis that people are portraying it to be. "Communication hasn't been great of late" - Understatement of the century! "we appear to have a budget that's sustainable at League One level" - We are in the bottom four, so, not so sustainable. "We have a training ground and will continue to have one for next season." - We pay rent on a number of training grounds. "A new complex would be fantastic but time will tell if finances permit that." - Time has spoken, and the answer is a big fat NO. "I accept that there is a major question mark around what's happening with any development." - There is no question mark. Nothing is happening. "Things could be better but it's far from the crisis that people are portraying it to be." - Are you serious? Thanks for posting Mr Hamer. Did you even read my post before Ctrl+V'ing it? Our league position is bottom four. Our budget isn't. It's not right up there but it's enough to expect to compete at this level. A fair proportion of lower league clubs rent their training grounds. It's hardly headline news or anything to get too upset about. The reality is we don't know what is happening, for better for worse. Plenty of commentators on here have speculated that WAQ is seeking external funding which could be a game changer for us. Clearly in commercial business information isn't just blurted out to appease customers. I'm very serious. Players and staff are being paid, we've invested in the playing staff etc. Off the field, the evidence suggests we're not at crisis point.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 28, 2018 10:31:48 GMT
Exactly, I think some people need to realise the amount of money being spent on players these days (especially strikers). We sold 3 strikers for roughly 1.5m - and replaced them on 0.5m - that's already pathetic - then remember that Taylor & Bodin were probably worth 1.5m themselves each Showing a lack of understanding my friend. Taylor seemingly only resigned due to the infamous clause. He would have walked away for nothing otherwise. Bodin had 6 months left on his contract and could have walked away for nothing a few months later. The gulf in finances between L1 and Championship means we had no realistic chance of keeping either. In terms of reinvestment, we're losing millions a year and therefore the reality is that we were never going to reinvest more than we have. That's always going to be the case in the lower leagues. Maybe I didn't explain what I meant clear enough. I'm saying that as players, Taylor & Bodin's value was that of roughly 1.5m each - our current strikers are worth 500k in total. I therefore think it's pretty obvious why we're having problems scoring goals. However regarding contracts, I said it before & I'll say it again, we don't seem to be very good and handling contracts at all. I don't know who does it, whether its the owners or DC. But we've lost Taylor, Bodin & Brown for peanuts/freebies. Taylor & Bodin in the Championship & Brown is top of League 1. We, however are in the relegation zone of League 1.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 10:33:39 GMT
He's whinged and whinged about losing Ellis Harrison and not being able to replace his goals. He scored 12 last season. DC signed 3 strikers in the summer in Payne, Reilly and Jakubiak. If he doesn't back himself to get 4 goals each from those 3 players then he should do the right thing and walk.
He's our highest paid manager ever, with the highest wage bill we've ever had. He achieved par in the conference, was exceptional in league 2 and has been bang average in league one.
This year we've averaged 1.18 points per game, and over the last 46 games we've averaged 1.19 points per game. We're getting worse. That's 55 points over the last 46 games, and Oldham last year went down with 50 points, so 1.08 points per game. The margin for error now is so slim, the writing is getting more and more visible on the wall.
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