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Post by faggotygas on Dec 1, 2018 17:03:10 GMT
Neither Shrewsbury or Accrington sold millions of pounds worth of players before their good seasons, I don't get the comparison.
Selling very valuable players won't guarantee relegation, but more likely than not it'll end up with you at the wrong end of the table. The manager is trying to do his job with an anchor round his neck, and I don't think that changing manager will make much difference.
But how much did they both spend to compete at the top end of the division? We are spinning a hard luck story that failure is inevitable if you sell your best players. In other words if you have a budget like ours you automatically can't compete so should accept relegation. I would say that is far wide of the mark as other teams are proving. If you have a crap scouting infrastructure and sell your best players *then* you are going to fail. Well seeing as our net spend was negative, by spending nothing but selling nothing they spent more than us! No it doesn't mean automatic relegation, but if you keep selling your best players and making little available to replace them, then you'll eventually suffer for it. Like Shrewsbury are this year. Doesn't matter who your manager is. I know that's the reality at Rovers, but if that's the case then what's the point in changing the manager?
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 1, 2018 17:11:20 GMT
But how much did they both spend to compete at the top end of the division? We are spinning a hard luck story that failure is inevitable if you sell your best players. In other words if you have a budget like ours you automatically can't compete so should accept relegation. I would say that is far wide of the mark as other teams are proving. If you have a crap scouting infrastructure and sell your best players *then* you are going to fail. Well seeing as our net spend was negative, by spending nothing but selling nothing they spent more than us! No it doesn't mean automatic relegation, but if you keep selling your best players and making little available to replace them, then you'll eventually suffer for it. Like Shrewsbury are this year. Doesn't matter who your manager is. I know that's the reality at Rovers, but if that's the case then what's the point in changing the manager? Last pre season, we spent more than we received, so they didn't spend more lol. We bought Nichols and Sercombe and sold no one. We sold Bodin during the January, but we signed Mensah. So that has to be about the same through the season??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 17:14:15 GMT
But how much did they both spend to compete at the top end of the division? We are spinning a hard luck story that failure is inevitable if you sell your best players. In other words if you have a budget like ours you automatically can't compete so should accept relegation. I would say that is far wide of the mark as other teams are proving. If you have a crap scouting infrastructure and sell your best players *then* you are going to fail. Well seeing as our net spend was negative, by spending nothing but selling nothing they spent more than us! No it doesn't mean automatic relegation, but if you keep selling your best players and making little available to replace them, then you'll eventually suffer for it. Like Shrewsbury are this year. Doesn't matter who your manager is. I know that's the reality at Rovers, but if that's the case then what's the point in changing the manager? I think this is the point exactly. No-one is saying that we should just give up because having continuously sold our best players we will go down. However, even DC's biggest detractors would surely admit that it makes his job that much harder.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 17:19:23 GMT
Anyone heard whether the "Meeting" has taken place yet between DC and the owners to enable him to outline his demands. Meeting? Go to track them down first.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 1, 2018 17:39:04 GMT
Well seeing as our net spend was negative, by spending nothing but selling nothing they spent more than us! No it doesn't mean automatic relegation, but if you keep selling your best players and making little available to replace them, then you'll eventually suffer for it. Like Shrewsbury are this year. Doesn't matter who your manager is. I know that's the reality at Rovers, but if that's the case then what's the point in changing the manager? Last pre season, we spent more than we received, so they didn't spend more lol. We bought Nichols and Sercombe and sold no one. We sold Bodin during the January, but we signed Mensah. So that has to be about the same through the season?? You mean the pre season before last? We sold Taylor in the January before, what, 2million quid worth of player? And similar Bodin in the January after. Come on, you can't just cherry pick one window and ignore selling £4million worth of players 6 months either side!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 18:00:18 GMT
Well seeing as our net spend was negative, by spending nothing but selling nothing they spent more than us! No it doesn't mean automatic relegation, but if you keep selling your best players and making little available to replace them, then you'll eventually suffer for it. Like Shrewsbury are this year. Doesn't matter who your manager is. I know that's the reality at Rovers, but if that's the case then what's the point in changing the manager? I think this is the point exactly. No-one is saying that we should just give up because having continuously sold our best players we will go down. However, even DC's biggest detractors would surely admit that it makes his job that much harder. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, it's an excuse for not being promotion candidates but if we get relegated it is no excuse at all. He has simply brought in the worst players available for his budget while our peers have at least managed to find mediocre ones so they are likely to survive another season.
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 1, 2018 18:12:32 GMT
Last pre season, we spent more than we received, so they didn't spend more lol. We bought Nichols and Sercombe and sold no one. We sold Bodin during the January, but we signed Mensah. So that has to be about the same through the season?? You mean the pre season before last? We sold Taylor in the January before, what, 2million quid worth of player? And similar Bodin in the January after. Come on, you can't just cherry pick one window and ignore selling £4million worth of players 6 months either side! We didn't sell them for over £4 million though did we. That was the season they were taking about, so that's why I was talking about that season. I said about Bodin. The board did well to get anything for Taylor. When they took over, he didn't have long left on his deal, so they had to agree to the release clause. So the season Shrewsbury did well, we spent a lot more. This season Shrewsbury are struggling, but lost way more player's than us, two to us. Yet they are still above us! We are underachieving this season big time. But DC gets no blame from some.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 18:50:41 GMT
I think this is the point exactly. No-one is saying that we should just give up because having continuously sold our best players we will go down. However, even DC's biggest detractors would surely admit that it makes his job that much harder. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, it's an excuse for not being promotion candidates but if we get relegated it is no excuse at all. He has simply brought in the worst players available for his budget while our peers have at least managed to find mediocre ones so they are likely to survive another season. I guess we'll never know if that last point is true or not. Personally I feel that we are punching above our weight while we stay in this league. That's a reflection of the whole set up of the club - stadium, training facilities, recent history etc - but again, only time will tell us if that is true and none of us know at the moment. The other consideration of course is that we have over half of the seasom still to go. It doesn't look good at the moment, I agree, but it's equally possible that it is us, and not our peers, who have assembled a squad that will keep us up in this division. We're not a million miles away from that, accepting that improvements to the squad are needed at the sharp end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 19:15:53 GMT
I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, it's an excuse for not being promotion candidates but if we get relegated it is no excuse at all. He has simply brought in the worst players available for his budget while our peers have at least managed to find mediocre ones so they are likely to survive another season. I guess we'll never know if that last point is true or not. Personally I feel that we are punching above our weight while we stay in this league. That's a reflection of the whole set up of the club - stadium, training facilities, recent history etc - but again, only time will tell us if that is true and none of us know at the moment. The other consideration of course is that we have over half of the seasom still to go. It doesn't look good at the moment, I agree, but it's equally possible that it is us, and not our peers, who have assembled a squad that will keep us up in this division. We're not a million miles away from that, accepting that improvements to the squad are needed at the sharp end. I'm just going by where we are in the table at the moment, Shrewsbury who haven't spent much to my mind, have been ravaged by their squad being dismantled and have also had manager problems STILL find themselves 7 points better off than us. In fact, the more I think about the mess they have found themselves in for us to be worse off than them is a damning indictment. Also, I had completely forgotten Blackpool until now. Owners criticised openly for their frugality, their budget must be one of the worst and yet they find themselves better off than us. There is something really wrong at Rovers and it isn't just the owners.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 1, 2018 21:37:47 GMT
I think DC has done himself no favours with his latest press interview. He should keep his trap shut regarding conversations with the owners and just keep it to football matters for now.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 1, 2018 21:57:58 GMT
I think DC has done himself no favours with his latest press interview. He should keep his trap shut regarding conversations with the owners and just keep it to football matters for now. It feels like DC playing his last card, to me. Either the owners snap and he gets a nice pay off (not saying he wants the sack, mind), or he manages to bring the whole situation behind the scenes to a head and there’s some satisfactory discussions had between the DC and owners. Theoretically, anyway...
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 2, 2018 11:37:28 GMT
I think DC has done himself no favours with his latest press interview. He should keep his trap shut regarding conversations with the owners and just keep it to football matters for now. It feels like DC playing his last card, to me. Either the owners snap and he gets a nice pay off (not saying he wants the sack, mind), or he manages to bring the whole situation behind the scenes to a head and there’s some satisfactory discussions had between the DC and owners. Theoretically, anyway... Fair point. I don’t blame him for sounding off though. Probably had a gutsful.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 12:51:12 GMT
It feels like DC playing his last card, to me. Either the owners snap and he gets a nice pay off (not saying he wants the sack, mind), or he manages to bring the whole situation behind the scenes to a head and there’s some satisfactory discussions had between the DC and owners. Theoretically, anyway... Fair point. I don’t blame him for sounding off though. Probably had a gutsful. He’s had a guts full I’ve had a guts full for 50 years not 5 minutes 😡
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 2, 2018 20:57:32 GMT
You mean the pre season before last? We sold Taylor in the January before, what, 2million quid worth of player? And similar Bodin in the January after. Come on, you can't just cherry pick one window and ignore selling £4million worth of players 6 months either side! We didn't sell them for over £4 million though did we. That was the season they were taking about, so that's why I was talking about that season. I said about Bodin. The board did well to get anything for Taylor. When they took over, he didn't have long left on his deal, so they had to agree to the release clause. So the season Shrewsbury did well, we spent a lot more. This season Shrewsbury are struggling, but lost way more player's than us, two to us. Yet they are still above us! We are underachieving this season big time. But DC gets no blame from some. No, but that was the value to the team that DC had to replace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 21:55:59 GMT
Surely it’s not just me that’s annoyed that after the last games antics and interviews we’ve literally heard nothing from the club! What the fu k is going on?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 21:57:25 GMT
I suppose we will have to wait until MS’s usual pre match checkatrade interview - that’s going to be awkward for him! No doubt he will “know nothing” 🙈
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 2, 2018 22:13:14 GMT
I suppose we will have to wait until MS’s usual pre match checkatrade interview - that’s going to be awkward for him! No doubt he will “know nothing” 🙈 maybe. Probably not worth dwelling on or making a new thread or anything;)
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Post by yattongas on Dec 2, 2018 23:26:39 GMT
Out of interest , how many players are out of contract at the end of the season ? Could be a contributing factor in our current poor results
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 0:04:24 GMT
Out of interest , how many players are out of contract at the end of the season ? Could be a contributing factor in our current poor results The contracts are all undisclosed so nobody knows. But tommy widdrington said that more than 90% of the squad are out of contract at the end of the season recently.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 3, 2018 0:11:33 GMT
Out of interest , how many players are out of contract at the end of the season ? Could be a contributing factor in our current poor results The contracts are all undisclosed so nobody knows. But tommy widdrington said that more than 90% of the squad are out of contract at the end of the season recently. Even if you take that as an "exaggeration for effect" we are looking at only 3 or 4 first team players still under contract. Could be a busy summer whatever happens.
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