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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 29, 2018 23:29:13 GMT
The main difference I currently see in this squad compared with others is big leaders that fought for each other.
For example, Lee Mansell was absolutely captain fantastic, a leader on the field, in the changing room, when training and also a model pro. He was a brilliant mix of fun and hardline graft who’s commitment on the pitch could never be faulted.
He was like the glue that bound the squad together. It also influenced others to step up to the plate, Monkhouse, Lockyer, Taylor, Lines, Easter, Mildenhall and Brown, so when he wasn’t there because of injury or suspension, the effect carried on. Eventually Ellis got it as well as listening to DC telling him about where and how to play.
Who do we have Mansell like right now?
Sure Sincs runs a lot, OC tackles a lot, Sercombe is a decent playermaker, but do we actually have a collective leader that stands out a mile? I don’t think we do.
Perhaps Mansell needs a call into the dressing room now to give some influence and his natural energy into the squad.
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Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2018 23:35:33 GMT
Leaders
Width ( overlapping fullbacks and using the width of the pitch )
Pace
Three things that DCs success has been built on that we currently don’t have.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 29, 2018 23:40:46 GMT
I don't think we need to get too rocket sciencey on this one.... We need a 15 goal a season man, we don't have goals in us and the side know it so we play deep with absolutely no confidence or continued attacking threat. Opposition teams know it and can have a jolly knowing that a goal has pretty much a guaranteed return, and our defence and mid can't really sustain any kind of system with this in mind.... We need to get a return from the forwards.... 1 good signing would do it  |
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 29, 2018 23:42:31 GMT
Leaders Width ( overlapping fullbacks and using the width of the pitch ) Pace Three things that DCs success has been built on that we currently don’t have. Add a goal scorer to that list and it will be about right. Thing is, a lot of us could see it, before the season started. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2018 23:43:12 GMT
Leaders Width ( overlapping fullbacks and using the width of the pitch ) Pace Three things that DCs success has been built on that we currently don’t have. Add a goal scorer to that list and it will be about right. Thing is, a lot of us could see it, before the season started. I think if we had those things we would have scorers. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 29, 2018 23:44:51 GMT
Add a goal scorer to that list and it will be about right. Thing is, a lot of us could see it, before the season started. I think if we had those things we would have scorers. Nichols played with Bodin and Ellis etc and still couldn't score, so I wouldn't count on it. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2018 23:45:00 GMT
It’s not as simple as just getting in a scorer.
We create mostly half chances because we play narrow and haven’t got much pace.
We don’t take the lead or come back from behind because we’re lacking leadership.
If we had pace out wide and leadership the goals would come.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 29, 2018 23:46:17 GMT
Add a goal scorer to that list and it will be about right. Thing is, a lot of us could see it, before the season started. I think if we had those things we would have scorers. Should make a good decision this as the scoring of goals is a bit of a 'chicken or egg' dilemma..... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 23:47:13 GMT
Not knocking the thread but the main difference is that under dc we always had players who scored goals.
Now we have liam sercombe,if hes played in his best position who can score goals but seemingly nobody else.
Mansell was a fine player for us but he hasnt really featured since we have been in league one.
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Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2018 23:49:27 GMT
I was watching Bennet closely on Tuesday and in the first half every time we had the ball he ran ran in to the middle to look for a pass , practically standing on Nichols toes.
Second half he stayed wider as did Mathews and we looked so much more balanced.
Helped being against 10 men of course but that’s how we should have started , not with everyone contesting the middle.
And that’s the story of our season and what we are missing compared to previous seasons regarding our build up play.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 29, 2018 23:53:43 GMT
I guess it's also wise to recognise the strike force collectively rather than individually....
There's no doubt a huge deficit in quality compared to other areas....
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 29, 2018 23:56:17 GMT
I was watching Bennet closely on Tuesday and in the first half every time we had the ball he ran ran in to the middle to look for a pass , practically standing on Nichols toes. Second half he stayed wider as did Mathews and we looked so much more balanced. Helped being against 10 men of course but that’s how we should have started , not with everyone contesting the middle. And that’s the story of our season and what we are missing compared to previous seasons regarding our build up play. Was hoping THD would be fit by now and give us a bit of pace out wide. Sometimes one or two player's, can make a big difference. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2018 23:59:35 GMT
I was watching Bennet closely on Tuesday and in the first half every time we had the ball he ran ran in to the middle to look for a pass , practically standing on Nichols toes. Second half he stayed wider as did Mathews and we looked so much more balanced. Helped being against 10 men of course but that’s how we should have started , not with everyone contesting the middle. And that’s the story of our season and what we are missing compared to previous seasons regarding our build up play. Was hoping THD would be fit by now and give us a bit of pace out wide. Sometimes one or two player's, can make a big difference. Totally agree. If we still had Lee brown we’d be mid table now, if we still had Ellis too We’d be top half. But they ain’t and we’re a very easy side to defend against because we’ve got no width and no tempo to our play. I reckon we passed it sideways five times more than we passed it forwards on Tuesday . Youve got to have tempo or it will go sideways. Every time I’ve looked at the stats after a game this season we’ve had more possession than the opponent but we’ve usually lost. That tells the story. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 30, 2018 0:00:01 GMT
I don't think we need to get too rocket sciencey on this one.... We need a 15 goal a season man, we don't have goals in us and the side know it so we play deep with absolutely no confidence or continued attacking threat. Opposition teams know it and can have a jolly knowing that a goal has pretty much a guaranteed return, and our defence and mid can't really sustain any kind of system with this in mind.... We need to get a return from the forwards.... 1 good signing would do it On the money |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 30, 2018 0:05:44 GMT
Was hoping THD would be fit by now and give us a bit of pace out wide. Sometimes one or two player's, can make a big difference. Totally agree. If we still had Lee brown we’d be mid table now, if we still had Ellis too We’d be top half. But they ain’t and we’re a very easy side to defend against because we’ve got no width and no tempo to our play. I reckon we passed it sideways five times more than we passed it forwards on Tuesday . Youve got to have tempo or it will go sideways. Every time I’ve looked at the stats after a game this season we’ve had more possession than the opponent but we’ve usually lost. That tells the story. But the problem is to play with tempo and to be able to play lots of forward passes you need options being created by movement off the ball, and IMO there’s not a lot of that going on in attacking areas. Presumably because of (lack of) confidence? |
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Post by gasify on Nov 30, 2018 0:11:03 GMT
After watching Gillingham on Tuesday, a Tom Eaves type player. Someone who fights hard for the ball, holds it up and can play in the midfielders bombing on.
We have a 15 a season midfielder in Sercombe, a 10 a season in Bennett and we'll Tom Eaves has scored 13 in a struggling side already this season.
Someone who can make a difference at the transition. We win the ball in midfield and the first thought is to pass it back to Craig, rather than push it forward.
We slow the ball down too much. If it was rugby, the ref would be giving a penalty against ourselves.
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Post by gasify on Nov 30, 2018 0:16:09 GMT
Was hoping THD would be fit by now and give us a bit of pace out wide. Sometimes one or two player's, can make a big difference. Totally agree. If we still had Lee brown we’d be mid table now, if we still had Ellis too We’d be top half. But they ain’t and we’re a very easy side to defend against because we’ve got no width and no tempo to our play. I reckon we passed it sideways five times more than we passed it forwards on Tuesday . Youve got to have tempo or it will go sideways. Every time I’ve looked at the stats after a game this season we’ve had more possession than the opponent but we’ve usually lost. That tells the story. Funny how football opinions are like arseholes (everyone has got one) (joke). Mine is that I think we play it out wide too much. Then wheb we try and cross it back in either have forgotten how to cross the ball or there is no one in the box (normally coz they have gone out wide). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 1:34:05 GMT
I do think one issue is that the team is set up for overlapping full backs but partington,martin and kelly just cant quite manage that role.
dan leadbitter can do it but has been erratic with his crossing and with his previous injury problems its hard to select him saturday/tuesday.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 30, 2018 2:51:31 GMT
The main difference I currently see in this squad compared with others is big leaders that fought for each other. For example, Lee Mansell was absolutely captain fantastic, a leader on the field, in the changing room, when training and also a model pro. He was a brilliant mix of fun and hardline graft who’s commitment on the pitch could never be faulted. He was like the glue that bound the squad together. It also influenced others to step up to the plate, Monkhouse, Lockyer, Taylor, Lines, Easter, Mildenhall and Brown, so when he wasn’t there because of injury or suspension, the effect carried on. Eventually Ellis got it as well as listening to DC telling him about where and how to play. Who do we have Mansell like right now? Sure Sincs runs a lot, OC tackles a lot, Sercombe is a decent playermaker, but do we actually have a collective leader that stands out a mile? I don’t think we do. Perhaps Mansell needs a call into the dressing room now to give some influence and his natural energy into the squad. Could be our next manager ?  |
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Post by Marshy on Nov 30, 2018 7:07:46 GMT
About 60 million quid.
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