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Post by gregsy on Dec 2, 2018 16:00:19 GMT
I think the argument comes about from a slightly deeper way of thinking. It's not actually about our club it's about all FL clubs in general and about the potential to put prem b sides into the football league pyramid system.... I thought we all kind of got the issue with what was wrong with the concepts of this.... A point I totally understand. But then what is people's main issue with that? I honestly think people seem to have the biggest issue with it because they're afraid of losing to a youth team. Quite frankly, if you're afraid of that then it shows your team isn't that great to begin with. Is it any more embarrassing than losing to teams in non-league? Why not try to show what we're made of and beat them off the park? I think we need to start pushing and showing a winning mentality at this club. Tin pot or not, success breeds success. We should be looking to maximise any opportunity to win trophies and increase income, both through prize money and ticket sales. I take it you don't have a problem with premiership sides having squads of 50+ players that are allowed to compete against teams that couldnt afford to pay the wages for a single player for any of them.... I know this is a slightly dramatic response but you catch my drift?
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Post by Jomo on Dec 2, 2018 16:02:23 GMT
I think the argument comes about from a slightly deeper way of thinking. It's not actually about our club it's about all FL clubs in general and about the potential to put prem b sides into the football league pyramid system.... I thought we all kind of got the issue with what was wrong with the concepts of this.... A point I totally understand. But then what is people's main issue with that? I honestly think people seem to have the biggest issue with it because they're afraid of losing to a youth team. Quite frankly, if you're afraid of that then it shows your team isn't that great to begin with. Is it any more embarrassing than losing to teams in non-league? Why not try to show what we're made of and beat them off the park? I think we need to start pushing and showing a winning mentality at this club. Tin pot or not, success breeds success. We should be looking to maximise any opportunity to win trophies and increase income, both through prize money and ticket sales. Sorry but if my feelings towards this competition are fairly representative of most that can't stand the inclusion of U23/reserve teams, then I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree with that. Losing to a youth team in this shower of s**t competition would be no more and no less disappointing than losing to any team. It's purely the fact that the Premier League and upper Championship clubs want to greedily shaft the lower league clubs in any way they possibly can. And the EFL/FA will be happy to facilitate this under the guise of helping the National team. A guise which is in fact complete garbage. How will Leicester U23's fielding the likes of Iheanacho and Wasilewski, and Stoke fielding Charlie Adam etc, help the future of the National team exactly? I would add to that that the whole concept of professional senior football teams being forced to play competitive fixtures against clubs that often use the competition to give game time to their reserves, is a complete insult to the pros and management of all lower league clubs that work so incredibly hard. It's demeaning and just goes to show how little regard the higher powers have for clubs like us and our peers.
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Post by tecallaghan on Dec 2, 2018 16:11:09 GMT
A point I totally understand. But then what is people's main issue with that? I honestly think people seem to have the biggest issue with it because they're afraid of losing to a youth team. Quite frankly, if you're afraid of that then it shows your team isn't that great to begin with. Is it any more embarrassing than losing to teams in non-league? Why not try to show what we're made of and beat them off the park? I think we need to start pushing and showing a winning mentality at this club. Tin pot or not, success breeds success. We should be looking to maximise any opportunity to win trophies and increase income, both through prize money and ticket sales. I take it you don't have a problem with premiership sides having squads of 50+ players that are allowed to compete against teams that couldnt afford to pay the wages of any of them.... I know this is a slightly dramatic response but you catch my drift? Again, totally understand that. For what it's worth I think it's a poor idea to include U23 teams in the competition and I think it's terrible that teams are literally stockpiling players now. Personally we need to see wealth redistributed down the leagues to allow teams to compete with wages against bigger clubs before messing around with competition formats. However, it is what it is. I'm more interested in winning and success and I think there's no better opportunity right now to do that than winning this trophy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 16:20:39 GMT
When the criteria for team selection is different in ANY way for opposing sides,any 'fairness' is gone there and then.This competition is a total farce.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 2, 2018 16:24:03 GMT
The inclusion of u23 or u21 or b or a or any other teams apart from the full members cup as it was intended, is an intrusion of a competition that gave the normal run of mill supporters to cheer their own team on to a place that was sacred.
Now no one gives a f.
So why should I?
I hope we depart this competition with no disciplinaries or injuries, but no we should not rethink. This is a horrible, divisive competition now and only there to fuel the elite when once a humble club could rise with dignity.
Shane on anyone that supports this format.
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Post by oviedista on Dec 2, 2018 16:51:03 GMT
I take it you don't have a problem with premiership sides having squads of 50+ players that are allowed to compete against teams that couldnt afford to pay the wages of any of them.... I know this is a slightly dramatic response but you catch my drift? Again, totally understand that. For what it's worth I think it's a poor idea to include U23 teams in the competition and I think it's terrible that teams are literally stockpiling players now. Personally we need to see wealth redistributed down the leagues to allow teams to compete with wages against bigger clubs before messing around with competition formats. However, it is what it is. I'm more interested in winning and success and I think there's no better opportunity right now to do that than winning this trophy. Forgive me, but what you seem to be saying is the politics 'is what it is'. That's not an argument it's just saying you don't care.
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Post by farmygas on Dec 2, 2018 16:58:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 17:03:33 GMT
The inclusion of u23 or u21 or b or a or any other teams apart from the full members cup as it was intended, is an intrusion of a competition that gave the normal run of mill supporters to cheer their own team on to a place that was sacred. Now no one gives a f. So why should I? I hope we depart this competition with no disciplinaries or injuries, but no we should not rethink. This is a horrible, divisive competition now and only there to fuel the elite when once a humble club could rise with dignity. Shane on anyone that supports this format. I don't support the format but support my team and we definitely need that at the moment irrespective of who we are playing and what competition. We need to start winning football matches and this in my book qualifies as one. I will be there, why should I not be? My travel to a home game involves a 200 mile round trip and on Wednesday I will be faced with a forty mile round trip. That's good enough reason for me to enjoy a night out supporting my team and not be faced with a long late night drive home. No doubt some will not accept this, perhaps they would prefer if I stopped supporting the Gas after 61 years and started watching the Swans!
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Post by gregsy on Dec 2, 2018 17:12:42 GMT
The inclusion of u23 or u21 or b or a or any other teams apart from the full members cup as it was intended, is an intrusion of a competition that gave the normal run of mill supporters to cheer their own team on to a place that was sacred. Now no one gives a f. So why should I? I hope we depart this competition with no disciplinaries or injuries, but no we should not rethink. This is a horrible, divisive competition now and only there to fuel the elite when once a humble club could rise with dignity. Shane on anyone that supports this format. perhaps they would prefer if I stopped supporting the Gas after 61 years and started watching the Swans! Mate if you decide to do that there's a great wetlands centre near Newport.... They got geese and all sorts....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 17:51:54 GMT
perhaps they would prefer if I stopped supporting the Gas after 61 years and started watching the Swans! Mate if you decide to do that there's a great wetlands centre near Newport.... They got geese and all sorts.... There's an even better one at Llanelli and I can even take in a game of egg chasing as the Scarlets are just down the road from there.
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Post by badengas on Dec 2, 2018 18:04:10 GMT
perhaps they would prefer if I stopped supporting the Gas after 61 years and started watching the Swans! Mate if you decide to do that there's a great wetlands centre near Newport.... They got geese and all sorts.... And sheep and dragons.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Dec 2, 2018 18:15:35 GMT
Donny no mid-week game.Not sure if that is good or bad??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 18:19:58 GMT
Donny no mid-week game.Not sure if that is good or bad?? There league position makes it bad as far as I am concerned.
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Post by tecallaghan on Dec 3, 2018 19:08:55 GMT
Again, totally understand that. For what it's worth I think it's a poor idea to include U23 teams in the competition and I think it's terrible that teams are literally stockpiling players now. Personally we need to see wealth redistributed down the leagues to allow teams to compete with wages against bigger clubs before messing around with competition formats. However, it is what it is. I'm more interested in winning and success and I think there's no better opportunity right now to do that than winning this trophy. Forgive me, but what you seem to be saying is the politics 'is what it is'. That's not an argument it's just saying you don't care. I would redirect you to what I said before that. I think the issue isn't solved by barring u23 teams from the competition or saying no to B Teams - the issue is the lack of money at the lower levels of the game where players only real option is to sign for clubs like Southampton or West Brom (who both have strong youth scouting and coaching structures within the West Country) rather than play for Bristol Rovers where they can earn a decent wage and develop unless they take a huge risk in staying here, coupled with the lack of infrastructure for teams at a lower level. Facilities available to raise the standard of all players and allowing clubs to not rely on their one or two golden gooses. Imposing harsher rules on clubs at the top level on compensation for signing players from smaller clubs. I think there is a lot more to argue against and push for than saying kids shouldn't be playing in the competition. Is the cup flawed? Definitely. The restrictions on team selection is asinine. Group stages are Dam pointless. And yes, I don't believe u23 teams or reserve teams should be involved. And when they come up to debate next time on competition format, I will be 100% behind any supporter move to tell the EFL to cowboy the f**k up and tell the EPL to f**k off and keep the competition as it was. But what is the situation right now? Right now, we are in a competition that could lead us to Wembley. A competition we could realistically win. A competition to bring pride and morale back to a club sorely needing. We can't change the format now. We can only play the games in front of us. So why not make the most of it? And you know what would be more powerful than sitting at home? Going to Wembley and throwing shade at the EFL to their face. Banners, protests - straight forward f**k you, we won your cup, now make change. Showing to their faces how much we can make change happen. What media is taking notice of this "boycott"? They just think we're all sitting at home because we're bored. One of the most important steps in any movement of change is visibility - people seeing that there's change to be made. All in all, I get what you are all standing for and I support that. I only think there's a different way to do it and I want to see my team win. That should always be the goal.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 3, 2018 20:27:55 GMT
Boycott this farce.
There is absolutely no decent argument to be made for anything else.
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Post by Gasshole on Dec 4, 2018 1:07:07 GMT
Yeah fck em , I am not going.
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Post by Gasshole on Dec 4, 2018 1:09:05 GMT
Forgive me, but what you seem to be saying is the politics 'is what it is'. That's not an argument it's just saying you don't care. I would redirect you to what I said before that. I think the issue isn't solved by barring u23 teams from the competition or saying no to B Teams - the issue is the lack of money at the lower levels of the game where players only real option is to sign for clubs like Southampton or West Brom (who both have strong youth scouting and coaching structures within the West Country) rather than play for Bristol Rovers where they can earn a decent wage and develop unless they take a huge risk in staying here, coupled with the lack of infrastructure for teams at a lower level. Facilities available to raise the standard of all players and allowing clubs to not rely on their one or two golden gooses. Imposing harsher rules on clubs at the top level on compensation for signing players from smaller clubs. I think there is a lot more to argue against and push for than saying kids shouldn't be playing in the competition. Is the cup flawed? Definitely. The restrictions on team selection is asinine. Group stages are f**king pointless. And yes, I don't believe u23 teams or reserve teams should be involved. And when they come up to debate next time on competition format, I will be 100% behind any supporter move to tell the EFL to cowboy the f**k up and tell the EPL to f**k off and keep the competition as it was. But what is the situation right now? Right now, we are in a competition that could lead us to Wembley. A competition we could realistically win. A competition to bring pride and morale back to a club sorely needing. We can't change the format now. We can only play the games in front of us. So why not make the most of it? And you know what would be more powerful than sitting at home? Going to Wembley and throwing shade at the EFL to their face. Banners, protests - straight forward f**k you, we won your cup, now make change. Showing to their faces how much we can make change happen. What media is taking notice of this "boycott"? They just think we're all sitting at home because we're bored. One of the most important steps in any movement of change is visibility - people seeing that there's change to be made. All in all, I get what you are all standing for and I support that. I only think there's a different way to do it and I want to see my team win. That should always be the goal. Love it TC , I’m off to Swansea.
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Post by Gasshole on Dec 4, 2018 1:12:51 GMT
Boycott this farce. There is absolutely no decent argument to be made for anything else. You’re right Hoogs , I’m gonna give this farse a miss.
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Post by Gasshole on Dec 4, 2018 1:19:45 GMT
Wait, I might go but stand outside. 20 grand for the win mind.
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Post by Gasshole on Dec 4, 2018 1:25:00 GMT
I agree with OP. This competition has taken an extra significance. Doing well in it, could be the confidence boost that we need. Also any extra money won't go amiss (although I doubt DC will see much of it). Yeah fck it , lets all go. Support the boys.
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