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Post by spiess1 on Jan 14, 2019 18:42:54 GMT
Darrell Clarke is a Manager. Paul Trollope is a coach. Marcus Stewart is a coach. For me It's about character of the individual. I think GC has the character of a manager. (To generalise: A manager can be a coach; a coach cannot be a manager)Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, Bob Paisley, Carlos Alberto Parreira and Arrigo Sacchi were coaches who became decent managers. Precisely...they are/were all strong enough characters to make the transition.
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Post by pirate on Jan 14, 2019 19:16:00 GMT
He has management qualities like Tony Pulis said "Ben has it in him to one day step into the manager’s role. He’s got the potential.” "Ben's an excellent coach and now he just needs a chance to prove he can do it as a head coach. "He's desperate to be a manager - and someone will give him an opportunity at some point sooner or later." And also like Rickie Lambert said: “Like anything I think its tough for a coach to get their first job, hard to break in. So he just needs an opportunity. I would highly recommend him. Just needs the chance.” ok, so if he’s that good why didn’t Pulis take him with him to Middlesbrough. Garner hasn’t managed to attach himself to a manager yet. He, Garner, has to get rid of this entitlement aura. Like someone else said, how do you know this time out of the game isn’t by choice? Perhaps a role at Middlesbrough wouldn't have appealed, he has said he wants a number one position and his time out of the game has given him the chance to prepare for that role.
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Post by pirate on Jan 14, 2019 19:17:23 GMT
Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, Bob Paisley, Carlos Alberto Parreira and Arrigo Sacchi were coaches who became decent managers. Precisely...they are/were all strong enough characters to make the transition. And according to Pulis, so is Garner. I'm sure he knows a bit more about it than you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:45:14 GMT
Just think, if Garner had worked under DC he would probably be our manager by now instead of the guy who had no experience as manager and was promoted from within.
So when he speaks about a lack of opportunity perhaps he should apply to work under a manager renowned to be crap in the lower leagues (plenty of them about too) so that when they inevitably get given their cards he can get his chance just like our Cocko did.
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Post by landrover on Jan 14, 2019 23:15:03 GMT
Precisely...they are/were all strong enough characters to make the transition. And according to Pulis, so is Garner. I'm sure he knows a bit more about it than you. This love in regarding Garner is baffling. Even more baffling is Garner’s claim that he’s ready for management. Meanwhile in the year that he’s been unemployed another 20 players will have passed their coaching exams and be available to enter the market. I’ll say again, why didn’t Pulis, Warnock or Olly take him with them if he was that good.
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Post by pirate on Jan 14, 2019 23:28:15 GMT
And according to Pulis, so is Garner. I'm sure he knows a bit more about it than you. This love in regarding Garner is baffling. Even more baffling is Garner’s claim that he’s ready for management. Meanwhile in the year that he’s been unemployed another 20 players will have passed their coaching exams and be available to enter the market. I’ll say again, why didn’t Pulis, Warnock or Olly take him with them if he was that good. I'll say it again too, perhaps that type of role wouldn't have appealed to him if he was looking for a number one position. Only he can truely answer that. But what is clear is they obviously rated him and their results together speak for themselves.
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Post by landrover on Jan 14, 2019 23:34:24 GMT
Then I suggest he might have over estimated his profile or standing in the market, which lets face it, it is.
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Post by pirate on Jan 14, 2019 23:38:27 GMT
Then I suggest he might have over estimated his profile or standing in the market, which lets face it, it is. It will be interesting to see what job he has lined up abroad. Good luck to him I say, it's always good to see young English coaches or managers doing well in the game, like he has previously.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 15, 2019 0:06:56 GMT
18 pages and counting of someone most have never heard of and may never again if he goes abroad
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 0:36:00 GMT
I think the debate about garner is credible and worthwhile.
For me its not really about garner but about someone like garner.
The choice for rovers was. a] graham coughlan who did very well as a caretaker and has done a useful apprenticeship before getting the rovers job. b] A manager on the merry-go-round like holloway,cotterill etc. c] a plausible alternative like garner who has coached at a high level and has great experience with academy football. I say like garner because im sure there are others like him.
At the end of the day coughlans results as caretaker meant he got the job.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 15, 2019 7:56:13 GMT
And unfortunately football is a results business. We were in the Relegation zone and couldn't wait for someone who needed to cut their teeth - they had to hit the ground running. CG as an insider was the only candidate in my opinion. Having said that he did come from nowhere as never on anyone's radar on here. I guess if we were safe in mid table Garner could have been less of a risk.
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Post by landrover on Jan 17, 2019 19:30:17 GMT
Do we know where Ben Garner is going then? He was to make an announcement yesterday apparently and not being on Facebook I seem to be in the dark.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 17, 2019 19:40:50 GMT
Looks like we dodged a bullet here.Last thing we needed was another whinger.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 19:45:04 GMT
Had a good moan in an interview in the Times the other day about the lack of opportunities for coaches to get Managers jobs here. Supposed to be going abroad for a new job which he said would be announced yesterday, but has not been yet.
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Jan 17, 2019 19:48:46 GMT
If we were safe mid table pretty sure DC would have been safe too!
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 18, 2019 7:50:25 GMT
If we were safe mid table pretty sure DC would have been safe too! Not sure if that's true in reflection. The fact the Radio Bristol post match interview was censored by the club was a huge clue the board were not happy with him. The ground and training facility situation would still have been the same.
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Post by gasfishponds on Jan 20, 2019 13:19:22 GMT
Ben Garner announced as new assistant manager for ATK on Twitter
@atkfc We are happy to announce that former Crystal Palace first team coach and West Bromwich Albion assistant head coach, @_Ben_Garner_, has been appointed as the assistant coach until the end of the season.
#AamarBukeyATK #BanglaBrigade
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Post by RD on Jan 20, 2019 13:23:58 GMT
ATK, is an Indian football club based in Kolkata, West Bengal, that plays in Indian Super League, alongside Super Cup. It was established on 7 May 2014 as the first team in the Indian Super League, and plays its home games at the Salt Lake Stadium.
Christ we dodged a bullet there! Assistant manager at an Indian club. Talk about over-hyped!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 13:27:22 GMT
ATK, is an Indian football club based in Kolkata, West Bengal, that plays in Indian Super League, alongside Super Cup. It was established on 7 May 2014 as the first team in the Indian Super League, and plays its home games at the Salt Lake Stadium.Christ we dodged a bullet there! Assistant manager at an Indian club. Talk about over-hyped! Assistant to Steve Coppell no less. They must be thrilled at beating off competition from Bristol Rovers.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 20, 2019 13:42:48 GMT
I think he must truly love being a number two. If he ever wants to manage in the league he needs to get his ass in gear and take a number one job at whatever level to see if he can handle being the person that the buck stops with.
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