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Post by pirate on Dec 17, 2018 21:24:07 GMT
You command respect with the quality of coaching and management, not how angry you look or can get. agreed but you need that streak like Fergie did as the boss He might have it. I'm sure he will have learnt a thing or two from the likes of Ollie, Warnock and Pulis in that respect.
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Post by completewingback on Dec 17, 2018 21:35:36 GMT
Wow, all these people claiming that only experience can save us sure must've been happy when John Ward took over after McGhee and kept us up...
Wonder how that one turned out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 22:05:40 GMT
Looks a bit soft to me. If he got angry I think I’d laugh. We need someone to command instant respect IMO. Many shocking opinions from you over the last few weeks but this takes the biscuit bourbons please
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 22:08:15 GMT
agreed but you need that streak like Fergie did as the boss He might have it. I'm sure he will have learnt a thing or two from the likes of Ollie, Warnock and Pulis in that respect. I’m not sure it’s something you can learn - then again Southgate has a great way about him whilst still commanding respect - maybe he needs to think more down that route.
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Post by pirate on Dec 17, 2018 22:14:16 GMT
He might have it. I'm sure he will have learnt a thing or two from the likes of Ollie, Warnock and Pulis in that respect. I’m not sure it’s something you can learn - then again Southgate has a great way about him whilst still commanding respect - maybe he needs to think more down that route. I meant he will have learnt a bit about man-management from those experienced managers. Like I said before, he will be judged on the quality of his coaching and how he handles certain situations, but you certainly don't need to scream and shout or be "angry" to command respect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 22:16:06 GMT
I’m not sure it’s something you can learn - then again Southgate has a great way about him whilst still commanding respect - maybe he needs to think more down that route. I meant he will have learnt a bit about man-management from those experienced managers. Like I said before, he will be judged on the quality of his coaching and how he handles certain situations, but you certainly don't need to scream and shout or be "angry" to command respect. Na ok but I’d really like someone to have a good pop at our lot mind! sh** em up a bit like! Lol!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 1:33:58 GMT
Which football managers Established themselves as coaches and later on became successful team managers? I know a few who failed but who didnt fail? I mean someone who was a coach for a decent period before they got the chance to manage.
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Post by pirate on Dec 18, 2018 2:16:23 GMT
Which football managers Established themselves as coaches and later on became successful team managers? I know a few who failed but who didnt fail? I mean someone who was a coach for a decent period before they got the chance to manage. Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, Bob Paisley.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 6:32:02 GMT
Which football managers Established themselves as coaches and later on became successful team managers? I know a few who failed but who didnt fail? I mean someone who was a coach for a decent period before they got the chance to manage. Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, Bob Paisley. Ok, but apart from them...!!!
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Post by Jomo on Dec 18, 2018 6:55:03 GMT
Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, Bob Paisley. Ok, but apart from them...!!! Made me chuckle 😄
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Post by Jomo on Dec 18, 2018 6:56:59 GMT
I'd also say Aitor Karanka hasn't done too bad converting from coach to manager? Even Nigel Adkins did well in his first couple of managerial spells having converted from physio!
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Post by madgas on Dec 18, 2018 7:47:48 GMT
My feeling on BG is that if he was already here say as a number 2- I’d be interested in promoting him to the vacancy. That would give us an “in” on his personality and whether he has the temperament and aura required.
It’s a massive leap to give someone with limited experience (I understand he’s assisted many respected names) a first team job. It’s just a large risk. We don’t really have the luxury to take such a risk.
There’s due diligence that could be done. We could ask ex pros but we’d have little idea. I think given the predicament we need someone of greater pedigree.
I like a lot of what I’ve read on him. And I’ll admit that you’ve spiked my interest. But I feel it’s bad timing- all round. From his perspective; given his lack of exposure I’m not even sure it would be a sensible move. If this ship can’t be turned around- he’s managed one club and one relegation. Will be hard to get another look after that.
Good candidate- wrong time.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2018 8:15:39 GMT
Wow, all these people claiming that only experience can save us sure must've been happy when John Ward took over after McGhee and kept us up... Wonder how that one turned out. JW kept us up in his first season, why wouldn't fans have been happy at the time, he then lost his way in his second season and should have been replaced earlier. I don't really understand how we've got to 5 pages on BG as a coach with no managerial experience is the last thing we need, we need somebody who knows the job who can stand up to the owners not somebody who doesn't know the first thing about lower league club management. If we just want a decent coach we may as well give the job to Coughlin as at least he'll now understand how Rovers function and has also been an Assistant Manager in the past at this level.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 18, 2018 9:43:21 GMT
Wow, all these people claiming that only experience can save us sure must've been happy when John Ward took over after McGhee and kept us up... Wonder how that one turned out. I think we were all happy when JW replaced McGhee. And he did a very good job, nearly dragging into the play offs at one stage. The problem was not having any scorers the next season, terrible recruitment, again, and then the perfect storm for us in April 2014. Not reopening that one but to this day I respect JW above most of the other garbage we had before him. But I agree with you we do not need experience necessarily. Sometimes it is the wrong option. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 11:28:24 GMT
Which football managers Established themselves as coaches and later on became successful team managers? I know a few who failed but who didnt fail? I mean someone who was a coach for a decent period before they got the chance to manage. Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, Bob Paisley. What did they ever win?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 18, 2018 12:17:33 GMT
Wow, all these people claiming that only experience can save us sure must've been happy when John Ward took over after McGhee and kept us up... Wonder how that one turned out. I think we were all happy when JW replaced McGhee. And he did a very good job, nearly dragging into the play offs at one stage. The problem was not having any scorers the next season, terrible recruitment, again, and then the perfect storm for us in April 2014. Not reopening that one but to this day I respect JW above most of the other garbage we had before him. But I agree with you we do not need experience necessarily. Sometimes it is the wrong option. UTG! Oh great, sounds just like this season!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 12:29:38 GMT
Wael initially talked of a cat 2 academy and bringing young players through as a means of competing with high spending clubs. He has also attempted to build a more professional set up with extra coaches,attention to diet,the statistical analysis,head of recruitment and of course the development squad. With all that in mind and despite the failure to progress with the training ground a modern coach like ben garner would fit in with the owners philosophy.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 18, 2018 12:31:12 GMT
I think we were all happy when JW replaced McGhee. And he did a very good job, nearly dragging into the play offs at one stage. The problem was not having any scorers the next season, terrible recruitment, again, and then the perfect storm for us in April 2014. Not reopening that one but to this day I respect JW above most of the other garbage we had before him. But I agree with you we do not need experience necessarily. Sometimes it is the wrong option. UTG! Oh great, sounds just like this season!! Yes I know. Don’t think I’ve not already thought that!😭 UTG!
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Post by neilv93 on Dec 18, 2018 12:34:23 GMT
I'm come around to this guy from reading this thread, the Rag's pirate-quote-lifted article and further information online. Plus, he's good on FM19 so that's one for the plus column in my view!
It would be a MASSIVE risk but IF we go down anyway, I'd rather have someone like BG running the L2 rebuild and starting fresh than a Gary Waddock for example. He's clearly a highly-rated coach and one of these days some club will take a chance on him. I'd rather we do the chance-taking than go down the same boring road.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 18, 2018 15:56:50 GMT
I'm come around to this guy from reading this thread, the Rag's pirate-quote-lifted article and further information online. Plus, he's good on FM19 so that's one for the plus column in my view! It would be a MASSIVE risk but IF we go down anyway, I'd rather have someone like BG running the L2 rebuild and starting fresh than a Gary Waddock for example. He's clearly a highly-rated coach and one of these days some club will take a chance on him. I'd rather we do the chance-taking than go down the same boring road. This is an interesting option, think we will struggle to stay up, cannot score enough our main striker is overweight and seemingly disinterested from what I have seen, Nicho has great ability but lost the knack, and it seems Jak is our only hope. We need to get the new manager in asap so he can assess and prepare for the jan window, as some juggling needs to be done, it's going to be a rollercoaster. BG seems to have a lot of contacts so could wheel and deal.
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