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Post by axegas on Jan 10, 2019 19:31:03 GMT
Good chance to get into the semi finals. The debate about the competition aside, it’s a good chance to increase GC’s transfer budget going into the latter part of January. I know people have said “focus on the league” but a win and another £50k to put towards a player could be the difference between staying up or not and they do say winning is a habit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:58:03 GMT
Any proposal would need the backing of the clubs and they will never approve the inclusion of B Teams in the EFL should this ever rear its ugly head again as it is not in anyone's interest outside of the Premier League. Clubs only agreed to the cup proposal as it was more money for them in a competition they didn't really care about anyway. I understand the argument and boycotts for the U21s not being included in the Checkatrade, I agree there as it should just be for Leagues 1 & 2, but all this scaremongering about B teams being included in the EFL in the near future as a result of attendance figures in a lower league trophy is ridiculous. Ridiculous? Really? You don't have to look too far back to see the FA commissions 4-point plan for B teams in the lower leagues, the Whole Game Solution proposal which included the infamous League Three. Those plans ultimately got rejected but it's a case of when, not if, they are brought back on the table. The silly money at the top of the game coupled with a growing appetite to ensure youth players are developed in a true, competitive setting make that inevitable. The introduction of U21 teams in the Checkatrade is testing the water and is clearly an attempt to normalise their presence competing against lower league clubs. The idea of a club in this country effectively buying the right to field two teams would have seemed inconceivable not too long ago. I'm sure any Port Vale fan who said in March 2002 that the next competitive derby would be against Stoke U21 would have been branded as ridiculous. Many would have said the idea of U21 teams entering lower league competition would never happen or would be approved but that's exactly what has happened. We've seen Championship clubs revolt at the recently agreed TV deal and the threat of L1 and L2 getting cut adrift is very real. This farcical trial has clearly demonstrated one thing; a place at the table does have a price. I've no doubt that a majority of lower league clubs could be seduced into grabbing the financial carrot dangled by the Premier League if it brought in significant income for them. That's especially the case if they have a high level of confidence their primary income stream, supporter revenue, will largely remain intact. Regardless of whether you believe their presence in the league is on the horizon or not, the horse is quite clearly is warming up and gaining momentum before it bolts. Supporters can make a difference and in my opinion, anyone who believes strongly on this issue has one meaningful option. Boycott and make it very clear this won't be accepted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 20:03:25 GMT
I'd rather sh!t in my hands and clap than watch a game in this competition in its current format. Getting to Wembley won't change that. Not attending is the only way of stopping the FA destroying the lower leagues and widening the gap between the Premier League. An absolute farse. I see it as the perfect format for showing off young talent to League 1 and 2 clubs prior to the endless loans they have to endure before being discarded to one of them. We always fielded our bench sitters and young players in this competition anyway unless we made the semis, so what's the problem? We could learn from them too. It's not as though we've lost to any U21 teams, is it? I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that it's a project with the intention of eventually adding PL reserve teams to Leagues 1 and 2. That sounds like something made up in the Oval Office and thrown out on social media where it became 'God's' honest truth. The PL is the best league in the world and why people hate it is beyond me, but each to their own. And please don't mention Brian Clough. He forked out millions to win the league back in the nostalgia years and we knocked 8 past one of his sides in a powerful display of shooting skills that all our "forwards" should be made to watch over and over again strapped in a chair with their eyelids taped up. Give up. It's not even the best league in this country. Peoples attitudes to the Premier League will be heavily influenced by the simple observation that it's totally skewed the finances in the professional game and they've thrown the Football League under the bus in the process.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 10, 2019 20:13:48 GMT
Now if the fans boycotted Sky Sports/BT Sports & any armchair pay per view, that would make a bigger statement.
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Post by Rod1883 on Jan 10, 2019 20:17:32 GMT
Now if the fans boycotted Sky Sports/BT Sports & any armchair pay per view, that would make a bigger statement. I do - I won't give Sky any of my hard earned
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 20:33:08 GMT
Now if the fans boycotted Sky Sports/BT Sports & any armchair pay per view, that would make a bigger statement. I have and been doing so for six years now. Rarely watch MOTD anymore as i don't like all the BS pundits.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 20:33:16 GMT
Now if the fans boycotted Sky Sports/BT Sports & any armchair pay per view, that would make a bigger statement. It won't make an iota of difference if all BRFC fans and all other EFL clubs fans boycotted sky. The fact is all the Premier League big boys have fans in every city/town/ village etc who have only ever seen them play on Sky sports and will continue to do so. There numbers are far in excess of the support of the likes of BRFC etc etc.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 20:38:54 GMT
It's not a conspiracy theory by any stretch - they literally attempted to introduce b teams before resorting to using the Trophy. Loads of people at the top of the game are pushing for b teams in public statements. For me, it's what the way things are clearly headed. Where are they? I can't recall the new Chelsea or Arsenal manager calling for B teams to join the EFL? Wenger was a supporter but he's long gone. A quick search on Google suggests nobody has raised it since 2016. Man City CEO and Guardiola in just the last few weeks.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2019 20:50:03 GMT
Where are they? I can't recall the new Chelsea or Arsenal manager calling for B teams to join the EFL? Wenger was a supporter but he's long gone. A quick search on Google suggests nobody has raised it since 2016. Man City CEO and Guardiola in just the last few weeks. Guardiola's always been a fan as it's already happening in Spain but that's only one club out of 21 Premiership sides. If we really wanted to give youth a chance why didn't he play some last night instead of whinging they never get any game time.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 10, 2019 20:51:38 GMT
Man City CEO and Guardiola in just the last few weeks. Guardiola's always been a fan as it's already happening in Spain but that's only one club out of 21 Premiership sides. If we really wanted to give youth a chance why didn't he play some last night instead of whinging they never get any game time. Because it's not about giving youth a chance. That's always been a lie otherwise they would have enforced a strict U23 policy on these B teams.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 20:54:15 GMT
Man City CEO and Guardiola in just the last few weeks. Guardiola's always been a fan as it's already happening in Spain but that's only one club out of 21 Premiership sides. If we really wanted to give youth a chance why didn't he play some last night instead of whinging they never get any game time. Sums things up nicely, but no doubt he took great pleasure in fielding a first team and dicking a league two outfit 9-0.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 10, 2019 21:07:04 GMT
surely theres nothing to stop clubs from forming an under 21 league? does the old central league still exist ,if not why not? also why was football combination done away with? these leagues were great for up and coming players and for those returning from injuries, used to get far bigger crowds than the checkatrade, any one remember Bradford's comeback in the reserves ,huge crowds!dont see whats stopping clubs from forming reserve and youth leagues if they want to give them game time.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 10, 2019 21:47:12 GMT
Now if the fans boycotted Sky Sports/BT Sports & any armchair pay per view, that would make a bigger statement. It won't make an iota of difference if all BRFC fans and all other EFL clubs fans boycotted sky. The fact is all the Premier League big boys have fans in every city/town/ village etc who have only ever seen them play on Sky sports and will continue to do so. There numbers are far in excess of the support of the likes of BRFC etc etc. Unfortunately you are right. But money talking was my point really. How long the EFL will hold out against B teams is anyone's guess as money talks. But as the horse as already bolted ( the PL established & awash with money ) would B teams just be a natural evolution in today's world of football ? Personally I wouldn't want it, but I don't think not attending a competition that has never been widely supported until its final stages will determine whether or not B teams play in the EFL - that will again be down to the EFL teams & if they want more money from the PL or not at the time. The 'gap' is getting bigger by the season, people worry about us having to play the sh**e B team in 10/15 years or whenever, but although we are only one division behind them, we are light years behind them in everything else. It's down to us as a club to improve our infrastructure to ensure we are not left down with the 'lower league' clubs. Respect other views if people think that boycotting this competition is what they think us best, but it gets tiresome that every thread on the EFL games get highjacked - it's like Brexit .
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 22:47:15 GMT
Man City CEO and Guardiola in just the last few weeks. Guardiola's always been a fan as it's already happening in Spain but that's only one club out of 21 Premiership sides. If we really wanted to give youth a chance why didn't he play some last night instead of whinging they never get any game time. As has been said he wants competition for an oversized squad (hence b teams not under 21s). Depressingly if Man City u21s reach Wembley it might not be the disaster anticipated - reserves lording it over the lower leagues might be another celebration of dominance their fans crave (they took numbers to Rochdale).
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Post by wutangkillerbees on Jan 10, 2019 22:59:16 GMT
I won't be going should we get there. Plenty of well reasoned posts on this thread have confirmed that for me.
Confused by people saying 'it won't make a difference' so why bother, isn't that in the nature of protest? Making a bit of a personal sacrifice? If it was that easy to change it probably wouldn't warrant protests in the first place.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Jan 10, 2019 23:08:00 GMT
It won't make an iota of difference if all BRFC fans and all other EFL clubs fans boycotted sky. The fact is all the Premier League big boys have fans in every city/town/ village etc who have only ever seen them play on Sky sports and will continue to do so. There numbers are far in excess of the support of the likes of BRFC etc etc. Unfortunately you are right. But money talking was my point really. How long the EFL will hold out against B teams is anyone's guess as money talks. But as the horse as already bolted ( the PL established & awash with money ) would B teams just be a natural evolution in today's world of football ? Personally I wouldn't want it, but I don't think not attending a competition that has never been widely supported until its final stages will determine whether or not B teams play in the EFL - that will again be down to the EFL teams & if they want more money from the PL or not at the time. The 'gap' is getting bigger by the season, people worry about us having to play the sh**e B team in 10/15 years or whenever, but although we are only one division behind them, we are light years behind them in everything else. It's down to us as a club to improve our infrastructure to ensure we are not left down with the 'lower league' clubs. Respect other views if people think that boycotting this competition is what they think us best, but it gets tiresome that every thread on the EFL games get highjacked - it's like Brexit . Ironically you have highjacked this thread😉
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Post by Jomo on Jan 10, 2019 23:35:03 GMT
Guardiola's always been a fan as it's already happening in Spain but that's only one club out of 21 Premiership sides. If we really wanted to give youth a chance why didn't he play some last night instead of whinging they never get any game time. Because it's not about giving youth a chance. That's always been a lie otherwise they would have enforced a strict U23 policy on these B teams. Exactly. Examples of players to have played for "U23" teams: Charlie Adam, Marcin Wasilewski, Nelson Oliveira. Joke.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 10, 2019 23:43:27 GMT
Because it's not about giving youth a chance. That's always been a lie otherwise they would have enforced a strict U23 policy on these B teams. Exactly. Examples of players to have played for "U23" teams: Charlie Adam, Marcin Wasilewski, Nelson Oliveira. Joke. Surely part of a youth players development is to play games alongside experienced pro's and not just against them?
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Post by Jomo on Jan 11, 2019 8:24:42 GMT
Exactly. Examples of players to have played for "U23" teams: Charlie Adam, Marcin Wasilewski, Nelson Oliveira. Joke. Surely part of a youth players development is to play games alongside experienced pro's and not just against them? You're probably right, in which case they'd be better off sticking with the loan system. Although I feel in a cynical way that this format was designed to be more appealing since they scrapped the emergency loan system. I might be wrong though.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 11, 2019 9:24:41 GMT
Surely part of a youth players development is to play games alongside experienced pro's and not just against them? You're probably right, in which case they'd be better off sticking with the loan system. Although I feel in a cynical way that this format was designed to be more appealing since they scrapped the emergency loan system. I might be wrong though. Or just joining their local team, instead of Dam off to Man City or Barcelona at age 14.
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