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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 23:57:09 GMT
Brits are keyboard warriors - don’t fight for anything. water and moan about boycotting, water and moan about Brexit. Can’t be arsed to leave the house in numbers to fight anything so nothing changes and laws happen unchallenged. If Prem want B teams and prepared to pay, it will happened. Everyone cries on Twitter. Easy victories for the establishment! Remember the Poll Tax. Yeah I do remember, I was there with 15 mates causing fecking meyhem in central London! Where was you?!
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Post by Qatar Gas on Jan 23, 2019 4:27:03 GMT
As mentioned before, if the final is well attended, the EFL then class the whole tournament as a success. They again will want it to be well attended, so there is no way Portsmouth will draw Sunderland!
If we did get to the final how many would we take? Just over 20k maybe? Then we will have the red lot taking the p*ss out of our following without knowing the full details.
Anyhow, if we draw either Portsmouth or Sunderland then its very unlikely we will make the final anyway. Bury away will also be tough so I would say our chances are still pretty slim.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 23, 2019 4:46:49 GMT
As mentioned before, if the final is well attended, the EFL then class the whole tournament as a success. They again will want it to be well attended, so there is no way Portsmouth will draw Sunderland! If we did get to the final how many would we take? Just over 20k maybe? Then we will have the red lot taking the p*ss out of our following without knowing the full details. Anyhow, if we draw either Portsmouth or Sunderland then its very unlikely we will make the final anyway. Bury away will also be tough so I would say our chances are still pretty slim. Just out of interest, what are Portsmouth and Sunderland's crowds like in this competition? Are they, like most other clubs fans staying away? Will it necessarily be well attended just because those 2 clubs are in the final? I remember other sh*t competitions like the Full Members, Simod, Zenith Data Systems and Anglo-Italian cups being just as frowned upon as the EFL cup is, and crowds were very poor. Chelsea, Man City, Everton, Nottingham Forest, Middlesbrough and Derby have all played in finals of those competitions at Wembley and they weren't well attended at all.
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Post by orgasmic on Jan 23, 2019 5:45:21 GMT
Some things are more important than money. Think you are cutting off your nose to spite your face with that approach. I think supporting this competition in any form is supporting the systematic dismantling of the football league as we know it. It's supporting Premier League greed. It's supporting putting wealth over the proud heritage of the best football league in the world. Not only that, but you will have been bribed into doing it.
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Post by orgasmic on Jan 23, 2019 5:56:58 GMT
Not for me. If people don't make a stand it won't be long before B teams are entered into the football league. Had this debate many times before. Boycotting this tournament won't have any impact on whether they join the league. They have tried before and the vote was not even close. It would have to be voted in and most clubs understand how our league system works. This was a rubbish trophy to start with, so it's completely different. It brings in extra money now and gives teams a few more games. They probally will try to bring B teams into the league again. The only way clubs would vote yes, would be if they got a big pay off. At the end of the day money talks, so if they paid to get them in the league, that might vote yes. But again, the boycott won't effect the vote lol. Fans boycotted the first season, when it was a trial. They re-voted and it was voted in again, as they agreed to increase the prize money. If we get to the final, boycotting that game will have no bearing on them ever joining the league. The main worry is it is on mother's Day. If I went to the game, my wife and mum would be well watered off! So I might have to boycott for that reason. Or just put up with them in a mood, for a few months lol The classic I can't make a difference approach! If the final was poorly attended with a well coordinated protest on social media which named and shamed owners and the football league I think you'd see owners vote differently going forwards. However, if people continue to support the competition then the lady gardens at the FA will continue to try and ruin the football league in pursuit of money and with no resistance owners will be bought off. Just like those who support it on the basis of the prize money have been bought off this year.
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Post by orgasmic on Jan 23, 2019 5:58:01 GMT
I hope we get Portsmouth away in the SF and narrowly lose by a single goal. I hope Bury get a home draw against Sunderland and win. A Pompey v Bury final sounds cack, Pompey have quite a few that wouldn't attend, we won't have to have arguements on here, they don't get the Sunderland v Portsmouth final they want and hopefully the tournament is highlighted for the disgrace it is. ....and we stay up. Absolutely! Preferably by climbing away from danger now so we don't have a nervous run in!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 23, 2019 6:26:51 GMT
Think you are cutting off your nose to spite your face with that approach. I think supporting this competition in any form is supporting the systematic dismantling of the football league as we know it. It's supporting Premier League greed. It's supporting putting wealth over the proud heritage of the best football league in the world. Not only that, but you will have been bribed into doing it. We are doing that anyway every week when we pick and use U21 Players from the Premier league in our teams. Should we not attend any games when they are picked ?
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Post by orgasmic on Jan 23, 2019 6:29:28 GMT
I think supporting this competition in any form is supporting the systematic dismantling of the football league as we know it. It's supporting Premier League greed. It's supporting putting wealth over the proud heritage of the best football league in the world. Not only that, but you will have been bribed into doing it. We are doing that anyway every week when we pick and use U21 Players from the Premier league in our teams. Should we not attend any games when they are picked ? Disagree as the loan system allows you to get good players on the cheap. FWIW I think the loan system needs to be addressed urgently to stop PL teams stock piling young players. That's a separate issue though.
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Post by gasforeverman on Jan 23, 2019 7:03:30 GMT
A rovers final is generally attended by the regular and fairly regular watching part of our fanbase and the odd match ones and only very big or final games part of our fanbase. 2007 nigh on 40000 at both finals upto 25% regular/fairly regular fans and 75% odd match Vbig/final games fans. The 75% in general dnt care about or dnt really no much about the prem u21 debate and 25% id say a final wld draw upto 90% of them though it is mothersday. So in % terms id doubt the boycotters wld have much effect on our overall turnout. For most its a big day out. 2018. 41000 lincoln shrewsbury final. Games were boycotted in the previous rounds but come final day boycott was limp!
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Post by Qatar Gas on Jan 23, 2019 7:11:48 GMT
As mentioned before, if the final is well attended, the EFL then class the whole tournament as a success. They again will want it to be well attended, so there is no way Portsmouth will draw Sunderland! If we did get to the final how many would we take? Just over 20k maybe? Then we will have the red lot taking the p*ss out of our following without knowing the full details. Anyhow, if we draw either Portsmouth or Sunderland then its very unlikely we will make the final anyway. Bury away will also be tough so I would say our chances are still pretty slim. Just out of interest, what are Portsmouth and Sunderland's crowds like in this competition? Are they, like most other clubs fans staying away? Will it necessarily be well attended just because those 2 clubs are in the final? I remember other sh*t competitions like the Full Members, Simod, Zenith Data Systems and Anglo-Italian cups being just as frowned upon as the EFL cup is, and crowds were very poor. Chelsea, Man City, Everton, Nottingham Forest, Middlesbrough and Derby have all played in finals of those competitions at Wembley and they weren't well attended at all. I would say Portsmouth fans are yes. Their attendance last night was 3,313 and their previous home league game was 18,403. Sunderland's last home league game had more than 37,000 in attendance. I don't know how many they had last night but against Newcastle B it was over 16,000 but then against Notts County it was 8,580. Its just because they are such a well supported club, even if only a quarter of the amount of fans turn up for these games, it will still surpass any other teams attendance in the same competition and the EFL must be loving it because Sunderland are single handedly increasing the average attendances of the tournament! Most ELF teams have lower crowds for the early rounds of the FA and league cups and even lower for the checkatrade. Sunderland's cup crowds are pretty much all the same.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Jan 23, 2019 7:13:50 GMT
A rovers final is generally attended by the regular and fairly regular watching part of our fanbase and the odd match ones and only very big or final games part of our fanbase. 2007 nigh on 40000 at both finals upto 25% regular/fairly regular fans and 75% odd match Vbig/final games fans. The 75% in general dnt care about or dnt really no much about the prem u21 debate and 25% id say a final wld draw upto 90% of them though it is mothersday. So in % terms id doubt the boycotters wld have much effect on our overall turnout. For most its a big day out. 2018. 41000 lincoln shrewsbury final. Games were boycotted in the previous rounds but come final day boycott was limp! Out of interest, how many did we take for the 2015 play off final? It was defiantly less than the 40 odd thousand that went in 2007.
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Post by gasforeverman on Jan 23, 2019 7:23:53 GMT
2015 was nigh on 30000 gas. Id say we take 25000 to 30000 if we got either pompey or sunderland in this yrs final as sounds like a proper final when u say bristol rovers v sunderland/portsmouth. but at the mo its all ifs buts and maybes
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 23, 2019 7:26:32 GMT
We are doing that anyway every week when we pick and use U21 Players from the Premier league in our teams. Should we not attend any games when they are picked ? Disagree as the loan system allows you to get good players on the cheap. FWIW I think the loan system needs to be addressed urgently to stop PL teams stock piling young players. That's a separate issue though. But do we ? Will we get a chance to sign Jak at the end of the season ? All we are doing is giving these youngsters experience to the benefit of the Premier league so they can sale them to German clubs for £m's. We are just pampering to them again because they will pay for them to play.... Did we have ANY of our youngsters play last night ? No
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Post by orgasmic on Jan 23, 2019 7:40:19 GMT
Disagree as the loan system allows you to get good players on the cheap. FWIW I think the loan system needs to be addressed urgently to stop PL teams stock piling young players. That's a separate issue though. But do we ? Will we get a chance to sign Jak at the end of the season ? All we are doing is giving these youngsters experience to the benefit of the Premier league so they can sale them to German clubs for £m's. We are just pampering to them again because they will pay for them to play.... Did we have ANY of our youngsters play last night ? No Yes. I have no idea. Agreed. The loan system is flawed and there should be a movement to address those flaws.
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Post by mjhgas on Jan 23, 2019 7:40:54 GMT
So the boycott is coming to an end at the Semi Finals!?
I'm continuing for the reasons already given above.
That lot down the road know why the crowds are low - visit their forum and you'll be surprised that many agree with not allowing B Teams in to the Trophy.
I'd argue that we have had bigger games in my lifetime than an EFL Trophy semi final so won't be missing much!
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Post by kylegas on Jan 23, 2019 7:54:02 GMT
I’m just glad all the U21 teams are out, that in itself has made the semi-final/final seem more worth it, feels like a real competition again without them in it now. Just a thought... would it not be better to only boycott the games against the U21 teams? Which focuses the boycott on the competitions only problem, whilst still attending games against real teams which shows the competition still means something how it used to be?
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Post by northseagas on Jan 23, 2019 7:56:33 GMT
Don’t fancy any of them to be honest ,
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Post by tommym9 on Jan 23, 2019 8:07:09 GMT
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 23, 2019 8:13:42 GMT
Had this debate many times before. Boycotting this tournament won't have any impact on whether they join the league. They have tried before and the vote was not even close. It would have to be voted in and most clubs understand how our league system works. This was a rubbish trophy to start with, so it's completely different. It brings in extra money now and gives teams a few more games. They probally will try to bring B teams into the league again. The only way clubs would vote yes, would be if they got a big pay off. At the end of the day money talks, so if they paid to get them in the league, that might vote yes. But again, the boycott won't effect the vote lol. Fans boycotted the first season, when it was a trial. They re-voted and it was voted in again, as they agreed to increase the prize money. If we get to the final, boycotting that game will have no bearing on them ever joining the league. The main worry is it is on mother's Day. If I went to the game, my wife and mum would be well watered off! So I might have to boycott for that reason. Or just put up with them in a mood, for a few months lol The classic I can't make a difference approach! If the final was poorly attended with a well coordinated protest on social media which named and shamed owners and the football league I think you'd see owners vote differently going forwards. However, if people continue to support the competition then the lady gardens at the FA will continue to try and ruin the football league in pursuit of money and with no resistance owners will be bought off. Just like those who support it on the basis of the prize money have been bought off this year. The football league have said they want to make it 5 divisions, but they have also said that will no longer consider B teams to make up the number's. That they will use national League teams to make up the difference. All clubs are against them joining the league, this rubbish trophy is different and I actually think it's a good thing. Gives us extra games to try our own development player's. Think many forget how bad this tournament was in the first place. The league is different, we don't want it changed. Most clubs know that, which is why they all voted no. The vote was not even close. So whether fans turn up in this or not, has no bearing on the league. There is a big difference to them being in a rubbish trophy, to messing up the league's history. Not sure how you can link them to be honest. The bigger worry is championship clubs quitting to make a Prem B.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 23, 2019 8:15:57 GMT
The rules have changed since then. You don't have to play as many and you can play any keeper. Think you only have to play 5 that are classed as first team. There are more ways that they are classed as first team players now. You don't have to have played in the last game etc.
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