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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 0:31:18 GMT
To be honest, I know a lot of people seem to think us going down is unavoidable, but I do think we'll stay up. Of course, it's very close at the bottom, the points difference between 24th and 23rd is only 1 less than the difference between 11th and 23rd. Obviously AFC Wimbledon will go down but I really do think we're better than 4 of these teams, I think Bradford will probably go down too even though they seem to bring in a lot of players every window, something's wrong at their club. Obviously the next 2 to go down is tricky, Oxford and Plymouth have both picked up like we have, Shrewsbury have signed a lot of players in January, Gillingham have Eaves. We seem to be creating and scoring so much more than under DC, I remember us going several games without scoring a goal but we seem to be scoring so much more under GC. But that was our main issue and it seems to have significantly improved under GC. And our defensive record this season has been immense, we've conceded the second least goals out of any side not in the top 6. Whilst probably more down to Bonham, why can't we stay up? We have a good enough squad imo. Your entitled to your opinion which i respect but my view is that craig and lockyer have been a class act defensively well supported by other defensive minded players such as James clarke,ollie clarke and tariq holmes-dennis. Bonham has also done well overall for us.
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Post by axegas on Feb 3, 2019 1:12:25 GMT
To be honest, I know a lot of people seem to think us going down is unavoidable, but I do think we'll stay up. Of course, it's very close at the bottom, the points difference between 24th and 23rd is only 1 less than the difference between 11th and 23rd. Obviously AFC Wimbledon will go down but I really do think we're better than 4 of these teams, I think Bradford will probably go down too even though they seem to bring in a lot of players every window, something's wrong at their club. Obviously the next 2 to go down is tricky, Oxford and Plymouth have both picked up like we have, Shrewsbury have signed a lot of players in January, Gillingham have Eaves. We seem to be creating and scoring so much more than under DC, I remember us going several games without scoring a goal but we seem to be scoring so much more under GC. But that was our main issue and it seems to have significantly improved under GC. And our defensive record this season has been immense, we've conceded the second least goals out of any side not in the top 6. Whilst probably more down to Bonham, why can't we stay up? We have a good enough squad imo. Your entitled to your opinion which i respect but my view is that craig and lockyer have been a class act defensively well supported by other defensive minded players such as James clarke,ollie clarke and tariq holmes-dennis. Bonham has also done well overall for us. I agree, we have the best defensive away record in the division and would have got a clean sheet today had it not been for a solitary mistake by Bonham. We were in a rebuilding stage after losing key players in successive transfer windows and the first successful year in League One that we had under DC but now I think we are starting to come through it and some shrewd recruitment in the summer should see us push on and be successful in the division. Nice for Coughlan to have a selection headache for the forward position now as well, that’s something we never thought would had happened earlier on in the year.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 3, 2019 6:21:34 GMT
I thought a player could not play against his parent club Depends on the terms of the loan. I’d expect we have a condition he can’t play That might depend on how desperate we were to get rid though
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Post by Congas on Feb 3, 2019 6:22:00 GMT
The new additions give us more threat in the final third. Agogo as the midfield anchor allows others to get forward in support and Clarke-Harris looks like what we've been missing up front. Early days obviously, but he's a class better than what we've had so far this season. We could even go 4-3-3.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2019 7:54:13 GMT
Depends on the terms of the loan. I’d expect we have a condition he can’t play That might depend on how desperate we were to get rid though I would have thought our defence would rather face Payne than Campbell the young lad from Stoke who we were linked with a few weeks ago. But Sod’s law would happen then wouldn’t it? So perhaps best not to tempt fate. And can you imagine the reaction in the Mem if Payne scored the winner? Probably find ourselves on an FA charge! (Joke!) UTG!
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Post by pucklegas on Feb 3, 2019 8:23:08 GMT
To be honest, I know a lot of people seem to think us going down is unavoidable, but I do think we'll stay up. Of course, it's very close at the bottom, the points difference between 24th and 23rd is only 1 less than the difference between 11th and 23rd. Obviously AFC Wimbledon will go down but I really do think we're better than 4 of these teams, I think Bradford will probably go down too even though they seem to bring in a lot of players every window, something's wrong at their club. Obviously the next 2 to go down is tricky, Oxford and Plymouth have both picked up like we have, Shrewsbury have signed a lot of players in January, Gillingham have Eaves. We seem to be creating and scoring so much more than under DC, I remember us going several games without scoring a goal but we seem to be scoring so much more under GC. But that was our main issue and it seems to have significantly improved under GC. And our defensive record this season has been immense, we've conceded the second least goals out of any side not in the top 6. Whilst probably more down to Bonham, why can't we stay up? We have a good enough squad imo. SC I think most think we have a chance now and if our form continues we will be okay, unfortunately DC was not going to turn this around, our form since Jan 2018 was poor, summer recruitment bad and pre season a joke.
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Post by markczgas on Feb 3, 2019 8:43:57 GMT
The current manager knows full well that the recruitment was poor and that at the very best his budget will be smaller next season. He is trying to keep us in league one and start to build his own team for next season as best he can within these limitations. I would hope for nothing less. That's what he is paid to do. Going forward though the reasons why we are a perennial failure remain. I would love to hear his thoughts on the development squad, it's funding and expectations in terms of feeding the 1st team and therefore his recruitment ambitions. What does he feel about his coaching team, and what are his plans for them. What about recruitment, how does Widderington work with him with an agreed objective in mind. Anything less is being happy when we win followed by being abjectly disconsolate when we lose. We have 6 months to sort this out, if not we go into next season as we did last, in fact as we always do. Rudderless, with no clear objective in mind other than short term platitudes to appease the masses. Do you want to hear this now or would you like him to roll his sleeves up and make sure Rovers stay in L1 first ? I know what I want and I think GC and his staff want the same.
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Post by markczgas on Feb 3, 2019 8:47:31 GMT
Your entitled to your opinion which i respect but my view is that craig and lockyer have been a class act defensively well supported by other defensive minded players such as James clarke,ollie clarke and tariq holmes-dennis. Bonham has also done well overall for us. I agree, we have the best defensive away record in the division and would have got a clean sheet today had it not been for a solitary mistake by Bonham. We were in a rebuilding stage after losing key players in successive transfer windows and the first successful year in League One that we had under DC but now I think we are starting to come through it and some shrewd recruitment in the summer should see us push on and be successful in the division. Nice for Coughlan to have a selection headache for the forward position now as well, that’s something we never thought would had happened earlier on in the year. Too early to say that - JCH has just walked through the door. Let's see what he's made of until the end of the season. Jakubiak is only on loan too. Hope the 4 all do well of course.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 3, 2019 9:08:04 GMT
That might depend on how desperate we were to get rid though I would have thought our defence would rather face Payne than Campbell the young lad from Stoke who we were linked with a few weeks ago. But Sod’s law would happen then wouldn’t it? So perhaps best not to tempt fate. And can you imagine the reaction in the Mem if Payne scored the winner? Probably find ourselves on an FA charge! (Joke!) UTG! To be honest i agree. Payne is at least a 'known' quantity and in theory you would prefer to defend against the bloke you 'know'
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Post by landrover on Feb 3, 2019 9:48:42 GMT
Hmm, on the other hand he would know our weaknesses. Mind you, knowing and doing something about it, are two different things.
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Post by pucklegas on Feb 3, 2019 10:24:48 GMT
I would have thought our defence would rather face Payne than Campbell the young lad from Stoke who we were linked with a few weeks ago. But Sod’s law would happen then wouldn’t it? So perhaps best not to tempt fate. And can you imagine the reaction in the Mem if Payne scored the winner? Probably find ourselves on an FA charge! (Joke!) UTG! To be honest i agree. Payne is at least a 'known' quantity and in theory you would prefer to defend against the bloke you 'know' In fairness jim Chappell could man Mark Payne out of the game😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 10:25:22 GMT
I would hope for nothing less. That's what he is paid to do. Going forward though the reasons why we are a perennial failure remain. I would love to hear his thoughts on the development squad, it's funding and expectations in terms of feeding the 1st team and therefore his recruitment ambitions. What does he feel about his coaching team, and what are his plans for them. What about recruitment, how does Widderington work with him with an agreed objective in mind. Anything less is being happy when we win followed by being abjectly disconsolate when we lose. We have 6 months to sort this out, if not we go into next season as we did last, in fact as we always do. Rudderless, with no clear objective in mind other than short term platitudes to appease the masses. Do you want to hear this now or would you like him to roll his sleeves up and make sure Rovers stay in L1 first ? I know what I want and I think GC and his staff want the same. Let's be honest. What does "roll his sleeves" mean exactly? He has a 2.5 year contract I am lead to believe, is he leaving planning for next season until May? I cannot accept that playing football for 90 minutes once (occasionally twice) a week takes up 5 full days of coaching and training. As a manager with overall control with an assistant and coaching staff in place particularly. It's a well paid job, perhaps my perception of commitment differs but personally I tire of bland platitudes on short clips which completely lack any substance of note.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 10:25:53 GMT
To be honest i agree. Payne is at least a 'known' quantity and in theory you would prefer to defend against the bloke you 'know' In fairness jim Chappell could man Mark Payne out of the game😂 Who is Mark Payne?
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Post by bluestone on Feb 3, 2019 10:39:56 GMT
Do you want to hear this now or would you like him to roll his sleeves up and make sure Rovers stay in L1 first ? I know what I want and I think GC and his staff want the same. Let's be honest. What does "roll his sleeves" mean exactly? He has a 2.5 year contract I am lead to believe, is he leaving planning for next season until May? I cannot accept that playing football for 90 minutes once (occasionally twice) a week takes up 5 full days of coaching and training. As a manager with overall control with an assistant and coaching staff in place particularly. It's a well paid job, perhaps my perception of commitment differs but personally I tire of bland platitudes on short clips which completely lack any substance of note. How do you know he is not doing all of that as well? Just because he is not telling all of us about it in his interviews does not mean there is no planning going on. I would say the recruitment in this window shows he is long term planning, he's managed to bring in what looks like 2 solid signings both of which are permanent not loans, he's got rid of dead wood like Payne. GC has only been in charge for a number of weeks, I think it's only fair that we should give him a chance to show us what he can do in both the short and long term. We've only lost 1 in 10 since he's taken over, the players confidence seems to be restored, it's like we are a completely different team than when DC was here, I say this as someone who did not want DC to leave. He certainly seems to be able to bring out the best in what we have and I for one rather like his carrot and stick approach. Long may it continue. If he can ensure our survival then I will look forward to seeing what he can bring in the next window and how he prepares the squad in the summer for next season. Let's give him a chance oldie!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 10:54:40 GMT
Let's be honest. What does "roll his sleeves" mean exactly? He has a 2.5 year contract I am lead to believe, is he leaving planning for next season until May? I cannot accept that playing football for 90 minutes once (occasionally twice) a week takes up 5 full days of coaching and training. As a manager with overall control with an assistant and coaching staff in place particularly. It's a well paid job, perhaps my perception of commitment differs but personally I tire of bland platitudes on short clips which completely lack any substance of note. How do you know he is not doing all of that as well? Just because he is not telling all of us about it in his interviews does not mean there is no planning going on. I would say the recruitment in this window shows he is long term planning, he's managed to bring in what looks like 2 solid signings both of which are permanent not loans, he's got rid of dead wood like Payne. GC has only been in charge for a number of weeks, I think it's only fair that we should give him a chance to show us what he can do in both the short and long term. We've only lost 1 in 10 since he's taken over, the players confidence seems to be restored, it's like we are a completely different team than when DC was here, I say this as someone who did not want DC to leave. He certainly seems to be able to bring out the best in what we have and I for one rather like his carrot and stick approach. Long may it continue. If he can ensure our survival then I will look forward to seeing what he can bring in the next window and how he prepares the squad in the summer for next season. Let's give him a chance oldie! Absolutely back him and support him. We're you at the Wycombe game? We won yesterday, if we had lost 2-1 I am pretty sure the despondency would be as equally silly as the elation because we won. But that's not really the point. If we are to get out of this continuous cycle of under achievement things need to change, surely? In about 4 months for example season tickets for next year will be on sale. After this awful, so far, season what incentive will there be for people to fork out rather than pick and choose their games? Buying into a plan or vision could be an incentive. Or will be as normal where we toss and turn for a few weeks and bring in an underwhelming signing at a quarter to midnight? So absolutely over the next couple of days the focus must be Shrewsbury next Saturday. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday? It is said the UK has a productivity problem, personified at BRFC I would suggest.
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Post by bluestone on Feb 3, 2019 11:09:36 GMT
How do you know he is not doing all of that as well? Just because he is not telling all of us about it in his interviews does not mean there is no planning going on. I would say the recruitment in this window shows he is long term planning, he's managed to bring in what looks like 2 solid signings both of which are permanent not loans, he's got rid of dead wood like Payne. GC has only been in charge for a number of weeks, I think it's only fair that we should give him a chance to show us what he can do in both the short and long term. We've only lost 1 in 10 since he's taken over, the players confidence seems to be restored, it's like we are a completely different team than when DC was here, I say this as someone who did not want DC to leave. He certainly seems to be able to bring out the best in what we have and I for one rather like his carrot and stick approach. Long may it continue. If he can ensure our survival then I will look forward to seeing what he can bring in the next window and how he prepares the squad in the summer for next season. Let's give him a chance oldie! Absolutely back him and support him. We're you at the Wycombe game? We won yesterday, if we had lost 2-1 I am pretty sure the despondency would be as equally silly as the elation because we won. But that's not really the point. If we are to get out of this continuous cycle of under achievement things need to change, surely? In about 4 months for example season tickets for next year will be on sale. After this awful, so far, season what incentive will there be for people to fork out rather than pick and choose their games? Buying into a plan or vision could be an incentive. Or will be as normal where we toss and turn for a few weeks and bring in an underwhelming signing at a quarter to midnight? So absolutely over the next couple of days the focus must be Shrewsbury next Saturday. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday? It is said the UK has a productivity problem, personified at BRFC I would suggest. Yes I was there to witness Wycombe but credit to GC he spoke truth to all and kicked them up the backside which seems to have had the desired effect. Since GC has been in charge I would say you can only really pick out that one game as an example of the players not playing for the shirt and putting in a decent shift. The seasons far from over, if GC can get the players to continue to play as they did yesterday and against posh then fans will want to come and watch which will improve the gates now and if he can get us to safety whilst playing like that then I would expect ST sales to be Ok on the basis that we can expect more of the same next season. If he can get us up the table over the next few weeks and heading to safety then we might hear him say stuff about longer term planning for a future in L1 and possibly further than that. Put yourself in his shoes, if I were him I would not be doing that right now as it would look silly in light of the fact that we are in a relegation battle! Ensure our safety first then he can share his thoughts on where he wants to take us and how he is going to do it.
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Post by socrates on Feb 3, 2019 11:15:27 GMT
Absolutely back him and support him. We're you at the Wycombe game? We won yesterday, if we had lost 2-1 I am pretty sure the despondency would be as equally silly as the elation because we won. But that's not really the point. If we are to get out of this continuous cycle of under achievement things need to change, surely? In about 4 months for example season tickets for next year will be on sale. After this awful, so far, season what incentive will there be for people to fork out rather than pick and choose their games? Buying into a plan or vision could be an incentive. Or will be as normal where we toss and turn for a few weeks and bring in an underwhelming signing at a quarter to midnight? So absolutely over the next couple of days the focus must be Shrewsbury next Saturday. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday? It is said the UK has a productivity problem, personified at BRFC I would suggest. Yes I was there to witness Wycombe but credit to GC he spoke truth to all and kicked them up the backside which seems to have had the desired effect. Since GC has been in charge I would say you can only really pick out that one game as an example of the players not playing for the shirt and putting in a decent shift. The seasons far from over, if GC can get the players to continue to play as they did yesterday and against posh then fans will want to come and watch which will improve the gates now and if he can get us to safety whilst playing like that then I would expect ST sales to be Ok on the basis that we can expect more of the same next season. If he can get us up the table over the next few weeks and heading to safety then we might hear him say stuff about longer term planning for a future in L1 and possibly further than that. Put yourself in his shoes, if I were him I would not be doing that right now as it would look silly in light of the fact that we are in a relegation battle! Ensure our safety first then he can share his thoughts on where he wants to take us and how he is going to do it. Spot on. If Cogs started talking about next season and what his plans are for it in an interview at the moment I’d be very worried. It’s all about between now and May and when we know what division we’re in then we hear about next season. No doubt contract talks will happen between now and then regarding certain players but we’ll find out when they’re signed or not as the case may be. For now it’s all about Shrewsbury on Saturday and that’s the way it should be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 11:36:44 GMT
Yes I was there to witness Wycombe but credit to GC he spoke truth to all and kicked them up the backside which seems to have had the desired effect. Since GC has been in charge I would say you can only really pick out that one game as an example of the players not playing for the shirt and putting in a decent shift. The seasons far from over, if GC can get the players to continue to play as they did yesterday and against posh then fans will want to come and watch which will improve the gates now and if he can get us to safety whilst playing like that then I would expect ST sales to be Ok on the basis that we can expect more of the same next season. If he can get us up the table over the next few weeks and heading to safety then we might hear him say stuff about longer term planning for a future in L1 and possibly further than that. Put yourself in his shoes, if I were him I would not be doing that right now as it would look silly in light of the fact that we are in a relegation battle! Ensure our safety first then he can share his thoughts on where he wants to take us and how he is going to do it. Spot on. If Cogs started talking about next season and what his plans are for it in an interview at the moment I’d be very worried. It’s all about between now and May and when we know what division we’re in then we hear about next season. No doubt contract talks will happen between now and then regarding certain players but we’ll find out when they’re signed or not as the case may be. For now it’s all about Shrewsbury on Saturday and that’s the way it should be. Ok, well I will accept the majority view. I am not convinced that this is not very short sighted. The harsh reality is we are running a £750k to £1m cash deficit per season, budget cuts are rumoured to be looming and this season, to date has been awful. What's the plan? In closing, the manager does one pre match interview per week. If he is the point man, it wouldn't take a lot to talk to the fan base once a month and discuss something more than just the current match issues. Edit. You get rumours like this. Hardly positive is it. From a poster on this thread and has its own "A good friend of mine has a son who plays for rovers under 14 team. He and his parents have been told that rovers will be scrapping/closing all academy operations at the end of the season. This is of course hearsay and may in fact prove to be untrue. Not the development squad but all academy teams."
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Post by bluestone on Feb 3, 2019 11:55:53 GMT
Spot on. If Cogs started talking about next season and what his plans are for it in an interview at the moment I’d be very worried. It’s all about between now and May and when we know what division we’re in then we hear about next season. No doubt contract talks will happen between now and then regarding certain players but we’ll find out when they’re signed or not as the case may be. For now it’s all about Shrewsbury on Saturday and that’s the way it should be. Ok, well I will accept the majority view. I am not convinced that this is not very short sighted. The harsh reality is we are running a £750k to £1m cash deficit per season, budget cuts are rumoured to be looming and this season, to date has been awful. What's the plan? In closing, the manager does one pre match interview per week. If he is the point man, it wouldn't take a lot to talk to the fan base once a month and discuss something more than just the current match issues. Edit. You get rumours like this. Hardly positive is it. From a poster on this thread and has its own "A good friend of mine has a son who plays for rovers under 14 team. He and his parents have been told that rovers will be scrapping/closing all academy operations at the end of the season. This is of course hearsay and may in fact prove to be untrue. Not the development squad but all academy teams." The fact that we are running a deficit is not GC's fault, these are questions that should be answered by the board/owners. Just because GC is the only public face of BRFC does not mean it should be down to him to explain the long term plan. GC is the manager and mainly responsible for the team, their performances and player / coaching staff recruitment. I want him to stick to that and not get distracted like DC did, look what happened to him, it seems as if it drove him mad and he lost focus.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 3, 2019 11:59:21 GMT
Ok, well I will accept the majority view. I am not convinced that this is not very short sighted. The harsh reality is we are running a £750k to £1m cash deficit per season, budget cuts are rumoured to be looming and this season, to date has been awful. What's the plan? In closing, the manager does one pre match interview per week. If he is the point man, it wouldn't take a lot to talk to the fan base once a month and discuss something more than just the current match issues. Edit. You get rumours like this. Hardly positive is it. From a poster on this thread and has its own "A good friend of mine has a son who plays for rovers under 14 team. He and his parents have been told that rovers will be scrapping/closing all academy operations at the end of the season. This is of course hearsay and may in fact prove to be untrue. Not the development squad but all academy teams." The fact that we are running a deficit is not GC's fault, these are questions that should be answered by the board/owners. Just because GC is the only public face of BRFC does not mean it should be down to him to explain the long term plan. GC is the manager and mainly responsible for the team, their performances and player / coaching staff recruitment. I want him to stick to that and not get distracted like DC did, look what happened to him, it seems as if it drove him mad and he lost focus. Furthermore, it's pretty much the manager's job to try to get us a bigger deficit, effectively.
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