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Post by socrates on Feb 3, 2019 12:03:23 GMT
Spot on. If Cogs started talking about next season and what his plans are for it in an interview at the moment I’d be very worried. It’s all about between now and May and when we know what division we’re in then we hear about next season. No doubt contract talks will happen between now and then regarding certain players but we’ll find out when they’re signed or not as the case may be. For now it’s all about Shrewsbury on Saturday and that’s the way it should be. Ok, well I will accept the majority view. I am not convinced that this is not very short sighted. The harsh reality is we are running a £750k to £1m cash deficit per season, budget cuts are rumoured to be looming and this season, to date has been awful. What's the plan? In closing, the manager does one pre match interview per week. If he is the point man, it wouldn't take a lot to talk to the fan base once a month and discuss something more than just the current match issues. Edit. You get rumours like this. Hardly positive is it. From a poster on this thread and has its own "A good friend of mine has a son who plays for rovers under 14 team. He and his parents have been told that rovers will be scrapping/closing all academy operations at the end of the season. This is of course hearsay and may in fact prove to be untrue. Not the development squad but all academy teams." In this day and age with social media the way it is your always going to hVe rumours being thrown around. Personally I just ignore it all. The club can’t be expected to deal with rumours. Cogs has got a hell of a lot of bigger fish to fry right now. A monthly update from the board or even quarterly would be good I think but I don’t think the manager should do it, DC got too involved in all that and lost concentration on the more important matters for him , the football. There’s obviously a lot of things about our board that we either don’t like or more in my case we don’t know and that’s because of lack of communication but for now I just want our manager , coaching staff and players to concentrate on the next game. I think the future of our club and the behind the scenes stuff and what we do on the pitch should be dealt with in the media by different people as was proven in my opinion by what happened at our club last year.
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Post by bluestone on Feb 3, 2019 12:05:46 GMT
The fact that we are running a deficit is not GC's fault, these are questions that should be answered by the board/owners. Just because GC is the only public face of BRFC does not mean it should be down to him to explain the long term plan. GC is the manager and mainly responsible for the team, their performances and player / coaching staff recruitment. I want him to stick to that and not get distracted like DC did, look what happened to him, it seems as if it drove him mad and he lost focus. Furthermore, it's pretty much the manager's job to try to get us a bigger deficit, effectively. Yes and it seems it's our job to eat as many sausage rolls as we can to bring down the deficit!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 12:29:23 GMT
Ok, well I will accept the majority view. I am not convinced that this is not very short sighted. The harsh reality is we are running a £750k to £1m cash deficit per season, budget cuts are rumoured to be looming and this season, to date has been awful. What's the plan? In closing, the manager does one pre match interview per week. If he is the point man, it wouldn't take a lot to talk to the fan base once a month and discuss something more than just the current match issues. Edit. You get rumours like this. Hardly positive is it. From a poster on this thread and has its own "A good friend of mine has a son who plays for rovers under 14 team. He and his parents have been told that rovers will be scrapping/closing all academy operations at the end of the season. This is of course hearsay and may in fact prove to be untrue. Not the development squad but all academy teams." The fact that we are running a deficit is not GC's fault, these are questions that should be answered by the board/owners. Just because GC is the only public face of BRFC does not mean it should be down to him to explain the long term plan. GC is the manager and mainly responsible for the team, their performances and player / coaching staff recruitment. I want him to stick to that and not get distracted like DC did, look what happened to him, it seems as if it drove him mad and he lost focus. Mate, If you think that GC manages in a bubble then I am afraid you are in cloud cuckoo land. Of course the finances of the club concern him, it directly impacts his playing budget and his ability to recruit. DC was right when he raised these issues, right when he was saying the club will not progress as it stands. What he got wrong is that he offered no solution or vision of what that would look like going forward.
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Post by baggins on Feb 3, 2019 13:06:26 GMT
GC is earning more and more respect from me for the way he's getting this squad back on track. And I actually enjoy his interviews.
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Post by landrover on Feb 3, 2019 13:30:58 GMT
The fact that we are running a deficit is not GC's fault, these are questions that should be answered by the board/owners. Just because GC is the only public face of BRFC does not mean it should be down to him to explain the long term plan. GC is the manager and mainly responsible for the team, their performances and player / coaching staff recruitment. I want him to stick to that and not get distracted like DC did, look what happened to him, it seems as if it drove him mad and he lost focus. Mate, If you think that GC manages in a bubble then I am afraid you are in cloud cuckoo land. Of course the finances of the club concern him, it directly impacts his playing budget and his ability to recruit. DC was right when he raised these issues, right when he was saying the club will not progress as it stands. What he got wrong is that he offered no solution or vision of what that would look like going forward. We can all offer up our ‘vision’ and our solution but that counts for diddly. Coughlan’s remit is to keep us up. And that is what will matter, not the club’s finances, the club’s academy or the club’s training facilities. Once that it achieved then and only then will Coughlan turn his attention to such matters.
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Post by geddongas on Feb 3, 2019 14:49:45 GMT
I did have some reservations about how good Graham would be after getting into a rut after his initial new manager bounce.
I think the way he’s turned the team around after poor performances is much more telling of his ability than the initial run of results. Transfer business seems decent enough - though a lack of a left winger still annoys me.
On the whole, I think GC has earned his place now. Let’s get behind him instead of starting threads dissing him every time the boys put out a poor performance. Peterborough and Southend were the perfect reply to the wycombe game.
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Post by bluestone on Feb 3, 2019 14:55:22 GMT
The fact that we are running a deficit is not GC's fault, these are questions that should be answered by the board/owners. Just because GC is the only public face of BRFC does not mean it should be down to him to explain the long term plan. GC is the manager and mainly responsible for the team, their performances and player / coaching staff recruitment. I want him to stick to that and not get distracted like DC did, look what happened to him, it seems as if it drove him mad and he lost focus. Mate, If you think that GC manages in a bubble then I am afraid you are in cloud cuckoo land. Of course the finances of the club concern him, it directly impacts his playing budget and his ability to recruit. DC was right when he raised these issues, right when he was saying the club will not progress as it stands. What he got wrong is that he offered no solution or vision of what that would look like going forward. Mate, if you think it's a good idea for the manager to get distracted by concerning himself with things he cannot affect to the point where the team suffer due to his negativity to the point where we risk relegation which would then impact on the finances then fair enough. Sounds like you wish DC was still here, well much as I love DC and wanted him to stay and turn things around you can't argue with the facts and the fact is that GC has turned things around and we now have a chance of survival so I suggest you get behind him. UTG!
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Post by lpgas on Feb 3, 2019 15:19:38 GMT
Ok, well I will accept the majority view. I am not convinced that this is not very short sighted. The harsh reality is we are running a £750k to £1m cash deficit per season, budget cuts are rumoured to be looming and this season, to date has been awful. What's the plan? In closing, the manager does one pre match interview per week. If he is the point man, it wouldn't take a lot to talk to the fan base once a month and discuss something more than just the current match issues. Edit. You get rumours like this. Hardly positive is it. From a poster on this thread and has its own "A good friend of mine has a son who plays for rovers under 14 team. He and his parents have been told that rovers will be scrapping/closing all academy operations at the end of the season. This is of course hearsay and may in fact prove to be untrue. Not the development squad but all academy teams." In this day and age with social media the way it is your always going to hVe rumours being thrown around. Personally I just ignore it all. The club can’t be expected to deal with rumours. Cogs has got a hell of a lot of bigger fish to fry right now. A monthly update from the board or even quarterly would be good I think but I don’t think the manager should do it, DC got too involved in all that and lost concentration on the more important matters for him , the football. There’s obviously a lot of things about our board that we either don’t like or more in my case we don’t know and that’s because of lack of communication but for now I just want our manager , coaching staff and players to concentrate on the next game. I think the future of our club and the behind the scenes stuff and what we do on the pitch should be dealt with in the media by different people as was proven in my opinion by what happened at our club last year. They wont get rid of the kids teams because they are cheap to run
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Post by lpgas on Feb 3, 2019 15:28:39 GMT
I think we will see a clear out of players in the summer. Bennett, Leadbitter, Payne, Sinclair, Smith, Slocombe Craig, and a few others. What Coughlin has done is what most other clubs do, pick your best team and play them and make minimal changes. I think we will see a squad of 20/21 , but not 27. I also think he will get players in that have played in the Championship. Less players mean more money to spend on better players.
The days of a having a big squad all of whom are pretty average are gone than goodness
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Post by peterhooper57 on Feb 3, 2019 15:46:09 GMT
I feel sorry for DC, hardly ever mentioned in dispatches since Christmas, GC, 2 defeats in 11 games, is a very good start to his managerial career, long way to go, great match yesterday in the first half, until Cox was handed a goal on a plate by Bonham, then the usual pan-nick set in. I have a sneaky feeling GC will keep us up, although it will probably go to the wire, we still have tough games to play against Pompey, Black Cats, Donny, et el; imo GC will need to get at least one of the forwards scoring regularly from Open play for the club to retain its 1st division status. Its going to a roller-coaster ride, lets hope we are smiling at the end of the journey.
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Post by Jomo on Feb 3, 2019 16:19:09 GMT
I think we will see a clear out of players in the summer. Bennett, Leadbitter, Payne, Sinclair, Smith, Slocombe Craig, and a few others. What Coughlin has done is what most other clubs do, pick your best team and play them and make minimal changes. I think we will see a squad of 20/21 , but not 27. I also think he will get players in that have played in the Championship. Less players mean more money to spend on better players. The days of a having a big squad all of whom are pretty average are gone than goodness Agree with most of that, although I would keep Craig and Sinclair. Too little is made of what impact certain "characters" can make on a squad/dressing room. Craig is an older experienced head which is invaluable for more reasons than just their ability on the pitch. Similarly Sinclair brings so much more to the club than just his energetic performances on the pitch, although I appreciate that he's often not fit and his all-action displays can lead to us looking unbalanced. I personally feel that losing Ellis and Brown in the summer was a big blow to the morale of the squad, which is just beginning to look like it's recovering now. We need to keep these characters for as long as possible until we bring in enough replacements to allow them to depart one at a time over the next few seasons.
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Post by socrates on Feb 3, 2019 17:46:00 GMT
I think we will see a clear out of players in the summer. Bennett, Leadbitter, Payne, Sinclair, Smith, Slocombe Craig, and a few others. What Coughlin has done is what most other clubs do, pick your best team and play them and make minimal changes. I think we will see a squad of 20/21 , but not 27. I also think he will get players in that have played in the Championship. Less players mean more money to spend on better players. The days of a having a big squad all of whom are pretty average are gone than goodness Agree with most of that, although I would keep Craig and Sinclair. Too little is made of what impact certain "characters" can make on a squad/dressing room. Craig is an older experienced head which is invaluable for more reasons than just their ability on the pitch. Similarly Sinclair brings so much more to the club than just his energetic performances on the pitch, although I appreciate that he's often not fit and his all-action displays can lead to us looking unbalanced. I personally feel that losing Ellis and Brown in the summer was a big blow to the morale of the squad, which is just beginning to look like it's recovering now. We need to keep these characters for as long as possible until we bring in enough replacements to allow them to depart one at a time over the next few seasons. I would too. I remember when we announced that mccrystal Mansel and Easter were all being released from the playing squad our form dropped dramatically because we had very few leaders. I’d keep Sinclair until he retires and then give him a job behind the scenes such as youth coach / club ambassador for example. Craig would could also make a good coach or assistant perhaps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 17:58:16 GMT
Agree with most of that, although I would keep Craig and Sinclair. Too little is made of what impact certain "characters" can make on a squad/dressing room. Craig is an older experienced head which is invaluable for more reasons than just their ability on the pitch. Similarly Sinclair brings so much more to the club than just his energetic performances on the pitch, although I appreciate that he's often not fit and his all-action displays can lead to us looking unbalanced. I personally feel that losing Ellis and Brown in the summer was a big blow to the morale of the squad, which is just beginning to look like it's recovering now. We need to keep these characters for as long as possible until we bring in enough replacements to allow them to depart one at a time over the next few seasons. I would too. I remember when we announced that mccrystal Mansel and Easter were all being released from the playing squad our form dropped dramatically because we had very few leaders. I’d keep Sinclair until he retires and then give him a job behind the scenes such as youth coach / club ambassador for example. Craig would could also make a good coach or assistant perhaps. Keep Sincs for life as a club ambassador or mascot! With GC now in charge there is presumably a defensive coach vacancy - Craig could be player-coach but mainly as back up from the playing perspective?
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Post by socrates on Feb 3, 2019 18:10:42 GMT
I would too. I remember when we announced that mccrystal Mansel and Easter were all being released from the playing squad our form dropped dramatically because we had very few leaders. I’d keep Sinclair until he retires and then give him a job behind the scenes such as youth coach / club ambassador for example. Craig would could also make a good coach or assistant perhaps. Keep Sincs for life as a club ambassador or mascot! With GC now in charge there is presumably a defensive coach vacancy - Craig could be player-coach but mainly as back up from the playing perspective? All sounds feasible. Got to keep your leaders , success is built on them.
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Post by dragonfly on Feb 3, 2019 18:16:45 GMT
Whoever deals with contracts needs to be looking forwards right now to ensure we do not get mugged again. THD, if he stays fit, has the potential to command a sizable transfer fee and although it would be good if we could keep him for a good length of time, that is unlikely to be the case. So it would seems wise to act sooner than later.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:47:41 GMT
Whoever deals with contracts needs to be looking forwards right now to ensure we do not get mugged again. THD, if he stays fit, has the potential to command a sizable transfer fee and although it would be good if we could keep him for a good length of time, that is unlikely to be the case. So it would seems wise to act sooner than later. Agree - try and tie all our best and most valuable players down to longer term deals. Lockyer, THD and Nichols. Can't think of any more unfortunately😕
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:51:03 GMT
Agree with most of that, although I would keep Craig and Sinclair. Too little is made of what impact certain "characters" can make on a squad/dressing room. Craig is an older experienced head which is invaluable for more reasons than just their ability on the pitch. Similarly Sinclair brings so much more to the club than just his energetic performances on the pitch, although I appreciate that he's often not fit and his all-action displays can lead to us looking unbalanced. I personally feel that losing Ellis and Brown in the summer was a big blow to the morale of the squad, which is just beginning to look like it's recovering now. We need to keep these characters for as long as possible until we bring in enough replacements to allow them to depart one at a time over the next few seasons. I would too. I remember when we announced that mccrystal Mansel and Easter were all being released from the playing squad our form dropped dramatically because we had very few leaders. I’d keep Sinclair until he retires and then give him a job behind the scenes such as youth coach / club ambassador for example. Craig would could also make a good coach or assistant perhaps. You having a laugh sincs a coach.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 3, 2019 18:57:59 GMT
Its true he had 2 defeats in his time in charge if you include Sunderland. 2 defeats in 10. Let's all be honest if it was 8 defeats in 40, 9/10 in 46 we be chuffed as nuts.
He needs to keep us up, and to be honest he has done alright with results so far.
Obviously we should have done better against Wycombe and would be nice to have an additional 1 or 3 points on the board.
Go to be realistic though, GC has done ok to date.
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Post by socrates on Feb 3, 2019 19:00:57 GMT
I would too. I remember when we announced that mccrystal Mansel and Easter were all being released from the playing squad our form dropped dramatically because we had very few leaders. I’d keep Sinclair until he retires and then give him a job behind the scenes such as youth coach / club ambassador for example. Craig would could also make a good coach or assistant perhaps. You having a laugh sincs a coach. If he did his badges he’d pass with flying colours because he’d put everything in to it.
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Post by socrates on Feb 3, 2019 19:05:23 GMT
After the Wycombe game he was getting a lot of stick. I was worried but the last 2 performances have restored my faith in Cogs! In my view it was the team that got stick, rightly, after Wycombe game. They were abysmal. They didn’t show up to what was a totally winnable and in many ways a must win game. Delighted it looks to have been an isolated lack of effort rather than an ongoing issue, to everyone’s credit. Delighted with response in last 2, and we need that or better in next 16. Please As big a fan as I am of Cogs for what he’s done so far I think he got the selection massively wrong in that game. No sercombe lines or Nichols in a Rovers team at home to an average side was never going to create much.
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