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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 0:56:15 GMT
Ollie clarke,stuart sinclair and chris lines have all done really well for the club. But for me all 3 should be released at the end of the season. It’s alright saying that but all three have held their own in league 1 and we haven’t got a big budget for this division. Better the devil you know in that respect. If we shipped all three out at the same time and tried to replace them for the same money could we actually find better ? Maybe but I think it would be a risk. All three are Rovers through and through and three other players of equal ability/ same sort of cost probably wouldn’t improve our midfield . I do think we really need to find a young ball player to take over from Chris lines though. We’ve missed him this season as over the last four seasons he’s been our top assists player. Sinclair is being gradually faided out but I think should stay at the club even after he retires and olly Clarke is a decent league 1 midfielder who has our club in his veins. Good points made and we do not know our budget or what division we will be in next season either. I think your saying that on balance maybe we should release lines and sinclair but not ollie clarke? I reckon sinclair will want to play on so he would happily play for yeovil or cheltenham rather than stay at rovers non playing. I know ollie clarke is a really great lad and has improved but he is too inconsistent and often cannot play a simple pass so i believe we should let him go but understand plenty disagree. It will be very interesting to see our retained list at the end of the season for certain. ps the rovers player i would most like to meet and chat too is stuart sinclair.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 10, 2019 1:36:03 GMT
I personally think that now is not the time to be considering who to keep and who to let go but certainly I think to have a really big clearout would be a disaster and we should as fans take into consideration that since DC left our record has been pretty good and over the whole season our defensive record has been probably the best for years so to suggest getting rid of any of our present defenders is ridiculous. The same goes for the midfield and forwards. Clearouts are very dangerous and much better to just make alterations slowly with a bit of fine tuning. If we manage to stay up it will prove that the group of players we have are mainly good enough to keep and just need a small amount of good signings to approach next season with greater aspirations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 1:41:39 GMT
I personally think that now is not the time to be considering who to keep and who to let go but certainly I think to have a really big clearout would be a disaster and we should as fans take into consideration that since DC left our record has been pretty good and over the whole season our defensive record has been probably the best for years so to suggest getting rid of any of our present defenders is ridiculous. The same goes for the midfield and forwards. Clearouts are very dangerous and much better to just make alterations slowly with a bit of fine tuning. If we manage to stay up it will prove that the group of players we have are mainly good enough to keep and just need a small amount of good signings to approach next season with greater aspirations. Ok so to put on the spot should we offer new contracts to ollie clarke,chris lines and stu sinclair?
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Post by bluestone on Mar 10, 2019 2:29:31 GMT
I personally think that now is not the time to be considering who to keep and who to let go but certainly I think to have a really big clearout would be a disaster and we should as fans take into consideration that since DC left our record has been pretty good and over the whole season our defensive record has been probably the best for years so to suggest getting rid of any of our present defenders is ridiculous. The same goes for the midfield and forwards. Clearouts are very dangerous and much better to just make alterations slowly with a bit of fine tuning. If we manage to stay up it will prove that the group of players we have are mainly good enough to keep and just need a small amount of good signings to approach next season with greater aspirations. Agree with this. I actually believe that DC made this exact mistake, I think he made too many changes too soon and it may have unbalanced the squad and messed with what was quite a settled team.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 10, 2019 8:07:03 GMT
I think we all can mostly agree we have too many CMs at the club and with Ogogo a Cogs player and starting games he going to be here next year.
Personally I would retain Lines. Firstly he can still do more than a job in L1 and it the best set piece and dead ball taker we have. He’s had a poor season I agree, but he’s also had a few problems off the field too which undoubtedly has affected his game. He’s also part of BRFC, one of our own, will know how much to drive the club forward. Perhaps a coaching role or development role in the future?
Upson. Release. I’ve not seen anything about his game that improves us. No improvement on Lines, is weak in the tackle mostly and is bullied around the pitch.
Sinclair. I can’t help but think if he would stay then it would be as a back up role to cover all eventualitys. In effect he’s a DCM but has such a good engine it can be used to suck the life out of midfields. Unfortunately he can look a bit headless chicken and he doesn’t have the footballing brain or talent to be a box to box midfielder. I don’t mean that unkindly, it’s just not his skill set. As much as I like the guy, I think the time has come for him to be released. As someone else stated, Yeovil or FGR would be great clubs to be at.
Ollie Clarke. his game is so inconsistent you never know which one is going to turn up. That said, CMs tend to grow in form as they come into their prime older. Another year under his belt and a change of gaffer with a fresh set of eyes on his game might see him step up. Keep.
Sercombe. Undoubtedly one of the best CAMs on his day in this league and he has had a poor and quiet season in comparison to last year. But I firmly believe that is down to poor tactics, a low press game plan and being played as a winger. Put him in behind the front 2 and he causes problems. I believe he isn’t under contract for next year but I would certainly offer him another year, I can’t see us getting better.
Possible additions - Luke Thomas who is currently at Coventry on loan or Scott Fraser at Burton would be an excellent signing in the Sercs mould.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 10, 2019 9:03:17 GMT
Bluebutterfly, Ok put on the spot this would be my view on the midfield players. Ollie Clarke - Offer new contract Chris Lines - Release Stuart Sinclair - Offer new Contract As regards our other midfielders Upson Definitely Keep -much better footballer than he is given credit for Sercombe - Definitely Keep Rodman- Keep Ogogo- Definitely Keep Bennett- Release-Transfer List This would be based on getting in 1 new Central Midfielder and 2 new widemen. Goalkeepers- Bonham - Definitely try to sign Smith- Release Slocombe Release Nicholls- Keep Note I would have him as a wide midfield player/Striker
Sign a new no 2 Keeper
Defenders James Clarke- Keep Lockyer - Keep Leadbitter-Release Holmes dennis- Keep Craig-Definitely Keep Kelly Keep Mayonaisee - Release Kilgour - Keep Partington - Release Get in new centre Half
Forwards Clarke Harris Keep Reilly-release Jacubiak - Send back but may consider re signing if he is available Sign 2 new strikers
That would be my decisions now but still believe that end of season or when we have saved our status is the right time to do this and is based upon not knowing who is available or who we can afford to get and this I consider very important. ie If we could get better players in then I would consider releasing James Clarke, Stuart Sinclair.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 10, 2019 9:31:51 GMT
We don’t start messing about too much with the squad whilst the season is going. Too much at stake and we need everyone pulling in same direction. But like most lower league clubs who stays and who goes will be determined by their contracts, not so much by us. Lots of players out of contract I think. GC wants a smaller squad supplemented by our development squad and he will address the issue of too many midfielders, lots of RBs and the need to resolve the goalkeeper issue, again, width of the team and strikers. This season we’ve had too many players without the quality. GC appears to be an honest guy, he said in January that some would need to go out to allow a couple to come in. He was true to his word so expect more of the same I would have thought. UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 10, 2019 9:41:46 GMT
I think we all can mostly agree we have too many CMs at the club and with Ogogo a Cogs player and starting games he going to be here next year. Personally I would retain Lines. Firstly he can still do more than a job in L1 and it the best set piece and dead ball taker we have. He’s had a poor season I agree, but he’s also had a few problems off the field too which undoubtedly has affected his game. He’s also part of BRFC, one of our own, will know how much to drive the club forward. Perhaps a coaching role or development role in the future? Upson. Release. I’ve not seen anything about his game that improves us. No improvement on Lines, is weak in the tackle mostly and is bullied around the pitch. Sinclair. I can’t help but think if he would stay then it would be as a back up role to cover all eventualitys. In effect he’s a DCM but has such a good engine it can be used to suck the life out of midfields. Unfortunately he can look a bit headless chicken and he doesn’t have the footballing brain or talent to be a box to box midfielder. I don’t mean that unkindly, it’s just not his skill set. As much as I like the guy, I think the time has come for him to be released. As someone else stated, Yeovil or FGR would be great clubs to be at. Ollie Clarke. his game is so inconsistent you never know which one is going to turn up. That said, CMs tend to grow in form as they come into their prime older. Another year under his belt and a change of gaffer with a fresh set of eyes on his game might see him step up. Keep. Sercombe. Undoubtedly one of the best CAMs on his day in this league and he has had a poor and quiet season in comparison to last year. But I firmly believe that is down to poor tactics, a low press game plan and being played as a winger. Put him in behind the front 2 and he causes problems. I believe he isn’t under contract for next year but I would certainly offer him another year, I can’t see us getting better. Possible additions - Luke Thomas who is currently at Coventry on loan or Scott Fraser at Burton would be an excellent signing in the Sercs mould. I think you have Sinclair and Lines the wrong way round. Sinclair showed against Sunderland alone in the week how he is can still be a very useful player. I've lost count of the amount of times opposition fans have been complimentary about Sinclair. Lines on the other hand offers very little these days. I honestly can't remember one game he has played well in this season? As for Lines being a coach, I just can't see that for one minute. Just because he's a Gashead doesn't mean he'll make a good coach with us. Sinclair though however...
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Post by bluestone on Mar 10, 2019 10:12:04 GMT
It quite simple imo, if this team can continue their current form until the end of the season and save us from the drop then I wouldn't expect a big clear out. If their form drops off and we go down then I would think we will see more wholesale changes.
Based on the current form since GC took over this squad are definitely a top half side with potential to reach the play offs, with a few tweaks here and there we could have a right good go next season.
In either event though I would keep both OC and Sincs. Both have their strengths and weaknesses but are good enough for L1 imo so it follows that they are therefore also good enough for L2 and were part of the promotion winning side so they have what it takes to get beck up.
OC is gas through and through, one of our own etc and I disagree that he's been inconsistent this season, he's actually also currently our joint top scorer.
Sincs is probably not on a massive wages anyway and is unique in his ability to harass the sh*t out of the opposition from whichever position he is played in. He also brings much more than his game to the club, I can see a role for him in the future with BRFC. He is such a gas head now that he has even changed his appearance so he looks like a pirate!
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 10, 2019 14:24:13 GMT
I think we all can mostly agree we have too many CMs at the club and with Ogogo a Cogs player and starting games he going to be here next year. Personally I would retain Lines. Firstly he can still do more than a job in L1 and it the best set piece and dead ball taker we have. He’s had a poor season I agree, but he’s also had a few problems off the field too which undoubtedly has affected his game. He’s also part of BRFC, one of our own, will know how much to drive the club forward. Perhaps a coaching role or development role in the future? Upson. Release. I’ve not seen anything about his game that improves us. No improvement on Lines, is weak in the tackle mostly and is bullied around the pitch. Sinclair. I can’t help but think if he would stay then it would be as a back up role to cover all eventualitys. In effect he’s a DCM but has such a good engine it can be used to suck the life out of midfields. Unfortunately he can look a bit headless chicken and he doesn’t have the footballing brain or talent to be a box to box midfielder. I don’t mean that unkindly, it’s just not his skill set. As much as I like the guy, I think the time has come for him to be released. As someone else stated, Yeovil or FGR would be great clubs to be at. Ollie Clarke. his game is so inconsistent you never know which one is going to turn up. That said, CMs tend to grow in form as they come into their prime older. Another year under his belt and a change of gaffer with a fresh set of eyes on his game might see him step up. Keep. Sercombe. Undoubtedly one of the best CAMs on his day in this league and he has had a poor and quiet season in comparison to last year. But I firmly believe that is down to poor tactics, a low press game plan and being played as a winger. Put him in behind the front 2 and he causes problems. I believe he isn’t under contract for next year but I would certainly offer him another year, I can’t see us getting better. Possible additions - Luke Thomas who is currently at Coventry on loan or Scott Fraser at Burton would be an excellent signing in the Sercs mould. I think you have Sinclair and Lines the wrong way round. Sinclair showed against Sunderland alone in the week how he is can still be a very useful player. I've lost count of the amount of times opposition fans have been complimentary about Sinclair. Lines on the other hand offers very little these days. I honestly can't remember one game he has played well in this season? As for Lines being a coach, I just can't see that for one minute. Just because he's a Gashead doesn't mean he'll make a good coach with us. Sinclair though however... In the narrow, low press formation and tactics we play, we need Lines. The one to drop deep, pick up a ball and look for that pin point pass. No other midfielder at the club has that in his locker. If you keep Sincs then you have 3 defensive midfielders in the squad. We are unbalanced enough as it is.
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Post by baggins on Mar 10, 2019 14:32:36 GMT
It quite simple imo, if this team can continue their current form until the end of the season and save us from the drop then I wouldn't expect a big clear out. If their form drops off and we go down then I would think we will see more wholesale changes. Based on the current form since GC took over this squad are definitely a top half side with potential to reach the play offs, with a few tweaks here and there we could have a right good go next season. In either event though I would keep both OC and Sincs. Both have their strengths and weaknesses but are good enough for L1 imo so it follows that they are therefore also good enough for L2 and were part of the promotion winning side so they have what it takes to get beck up. OC is gas through and through, one of our own etc and I disagree that he's been inconsistent this season, he's actually also currently our joint top scorer. Sincs is probably not on a massive wages anyway and is unique in his ability to harass the sh*t out of the opposition from whichever position he is played in. He also brings much more than his game to the club, I can see a role for him in the future with BRFC. He is such a gas head now that he has even changed his appearance so he looks like a pirate! One would hope that if we stay up, a few changes will be made to make sure next season there is no "hope we stay up".
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 10, 2019 15:51:08 GMT
I think you have Sinclair and Lines the wrong way round. Sinclair showed against Sunderland alone in the week how he is can still be a very useful player. I've lost count of the amount of times opposition fans have been complimentary about Sinclair. Lines on the other hand offers very little these days. I honestly can't remember one game he has played well in this season? As for Lines being a coach, I just can't see that for one minute. Just because he's a Gashead doesn't mean he'll make a good coach with us. Sinclair though however... In the narrow, low press formation and tactics we play, we need Lines. The one to drop deep, pick up a ball and look for that pin point pass. No other midfielder at the club has that in his locker. If you keep Sincs then you have 3 defensive midfielders in the squad. We are unbalanced enough as it is. Sinclair is a good backup for Ogogo and on a lot less than Lines. Lines has f**k all in his locker these days, he's been crap all season and is going backwards. We need to be brutal and release.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 15:58:53 GMT
In the narrow, low press formation and tactics we play, we need Lines. The one to drop deep, pick up a ball and look for that pin point pass. No other midfielder at the club has that in his locker. If you keep Sincs then you have 3 defensive midfielders in the squad. We are unbalanced enough as it is. Sinclair is a good backup for Ogogo and on a lot less than Lines. Lines has f**k all in his locker these days, he's been crap all season and is going backwards. We need to be brutal and release. You’d love a team of headless chickens wouldn’t you?
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Post by axegas on Mar 10, 2019 16:03:06 GMT
I personally think that now is not the time to be considering who to keep and who to let go but certainly I think to have a really big clearout would be a disaster and we should as fans take into consideration that since DC left our record has been pretty good and over the whole season our defensive record has been probably the best for years so to suggest getting rid of any of our present defenders is ridiculous. The same goes for the midfield and forwards. Clearouts are very dangerous and much better to just make alterations slowly with a bit of fine tuning. If we manage to stay up it will prove that the group of players we have are mainly good enough to keep and just need a small amount of good signings to approach next season with greater aspirations. Agree with this. I actually believe that DC made this exact mistake, I think he made too many changes too soon and it may have unbalanced the squad and messed with what was quite a settled team. In a way though, I think he was forced to. Lee Brown was obviously unhappy here and wanted to move on, there was no way we could of stopped either Harrison or Bodin with making lucrative moves to the championship and people like Lumley and Sweeney were on with us on loan and was obvious that they needed replacing with permanent players. The mistakes he made were getting rid of players like Gaffney and Montano who we knew we could rely on as dependable players in this division. Also the changes didn't work because they weren't like for like replacements, Payne for Harrison, Moore for Montano and Bennett for Bodin always meant that we were weakening and not progressing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 16:09:22 GMT
Bluebutterfly, Ok put on the spot this would be my view on the midfield players. Ollie Clarke - Offer new contract Chris Lines - Release Stuart Sinclair - Offer new Contract As regards our other midfielders Upson Definitely Keep -much better footballer than he is given credit for Sercombe - Definitely Keep Rodman- Keep Ogogo- Definitely Keep Bennett- Release-Transfer List This would be based on getting in 1 new Central Midfielder and 2 new widemen. Goalkeepers- Bonham - Definitely try to sign Smith- Release Slocombe Release Nicholls- Keep Note I would have him as a wide midfield player/Striker Sign a new no 2 Keeper Defenders James Clarke- Keep Lockyer - Keep Leadbitter-Release Holmes dennis- Keep Craig-Definitely Keep Kelly Keep Mayonaisee - Release Kilgour - Keep Partington - Release Get in new centre Half Forwards Clarke Harris Keep Reilly-release Jacubiak - Send back but may consider re signing if he is available Sign 2 new strikers That would be my decisions now but still believe that end of season or when we have saved our status is the right time to do this and is based upon not knowing who is available or who we can afford to get and this I consider very important. ie If we could get better players in then I would consider releasing James Clarke, Stuart Sinclair. Agree with most of this but would like to see Lines and Menayaise stay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 16:10:38 GMT
Agree with this. I actually believe that DC made this exact mistake, I think he made too many changes too soon and it may have unbalanced the squad and messed with what was quite a settled team. In a way though, I think he was forced to. Lee Brown was obviously unhappy here and wanted to move on, there was no way we could of stopped either Harrison or Bodin with making lucrative moves to the championship and people like Lumley and Sweeney were on with us on loan and was obvious that they needed replacing with permanent players. The mistakes he made were getting rid of players like Gaffney and Montano who we knew we could rely on as dependable players in this division. Also the changes didn't work because they weren't like for like replacements, Payne for Harrison, Moore for Montano and Bennett for Bodin always meant that we were weakening and not progressing. But in the case of Payne and Bennett, we were spending considerably less money so perhaps the weakening was inevitable, or at the very least, likely.
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Post by axegas on Mar 10, 2019 16:14:10 GMT
In a way though, I think he was forced to. Lee Brown was obviously unhappy here and wanted to move on, there was no way we could of stopped either Harrison or Bodin with making lucrative moves to the championship and people like Lumley and Sweeney were on with us on loan and was obvious that they needed replacing with permanent players. The mistakes he made were getting rid of players like Gaffney and Montano who we knew we could rely on as dependable players in this division. Also the changes didn't work because they weren't like for like replacements, Payne for Harrison, Moore for Montano and Bennett for Bodin always meant that we were weakening and not progressing. But in the case of Payne and Bennett, we were spending considerably less money so perhaps the weakening was inevitable, or at the very least, likely. True but we spent nothing on Harrison and Bodin either though if you recall. We should of at least got capable players for the fee we paid for Payne and the wages spent on Bennett.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 10, 2019 16:40:34 GMT
Sinclair is a good backup for Ogogo and on a lot less than Lines. Lines has f**k all in his locker these days, he's been crap all season and is going backwards. We need to be brutal and release. You’d love a team of headless chickens wouldn’t you? Read the first sentence again. Also, Ogogo and Sinclair aren't headless chickens. They are hard working players who are the best we have off the ball. I guess you think Kante is a headless chicken too?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 16:41:28 GMT
But in the case of Payne and Bennett, we were spending considerably less money so perhaps the weakening was inevitable, or at the very least, likely. True but we spent nothing on Harrison and Bodin either though if you recall. We should of at least got capable players for the fee we paid for Payne and the wages spent on Bennett. I'd argue that Bennett is capable, just having a poor season and missing a left back who could create space for him by overlapping. Maybe he may have rediscovered that form alongside THD. Payne though, I'm with you. One of the worst and definitely the laziest players I have ever seen in the quarters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 17:05:21 GMT
You’d love a team of headless chickens wouldn’t you? Read the first sentence again. Also, Ogogo and Sinclair aren't headless chickens. They are hard working players who are the best we have off the ball. I guess you think Kante is a headless chicken too? Never seen kante play for Rovers new signing ?
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