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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 20:31:02 GMT
Truly moved by that Gregs
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Post by womble on Mar 10, 2019 21:16:07 GMT
Can anybody recall why that never went ahead, as why get pp then never proceed with the plans? So BCC have given us pp 3 times for Mem redevelopment but we've never proceeded with one of them. The application was not proceeded with as the planners had included a condition that the bars etc must close by 11pm, (entirely reasonable considering the close proximity of the housing). The club thought that there would not be sufficient income streams to make any more re-development possible, so abandoned the plan and came up with the student accommodation financed total re-build. Ironically I think that might still be viable, but we have been off on a UWE wild goose chase for years now and no-one now knows where we are, or where we are heading. The north stand would have been the same height as the current east stand. As part of the application, the council wanted a phasing plan for the rest of the stadium, which I have included below. north stand by , on Flickr phases by , on Flickr
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Post by aghast on Mar 10, 2019 22:26:37 GMT
myalbum.com/album/Q9vwJK3MHIdCThe finished stadium development. Roughly 18,000, with the view to expand the North Terrace, I originally started building it 2-tiered but ultimately didn't like the look of it. South stand only goes roughly 2 metres higher than the current. West Stand is actually lower. North Stand is bigger as is the East (obviously). One of the big things I did to also save space was move closer to the pitch. Currently the Mem has 4m roughly between the Blackthorn & the pitch. The West stand is even further due to the slope. Ended up putting a load of gates on the West stand as the path is only 3 metres wide, so it helps with queues. South stand is now the away end & due to space, is only accessible via the side. Actually the most I enjoyed building a stadium as a hobby. Looking forward to Wael's call A very good effort, sir, although it does look strangely familiar. I can't quite place it.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 11, 2019 6:52:36 GMT
myalbum.com/album/Q9vwJK3MHIdCThe finished stadium development. Roughly 18,000, with the view to expand the North Terrace, I originally started building it 2-tiered but ultimately didn't like the look of it. South stand only goes roughly 2 metres higher than the current. West Stand is actually lower. North Stand is bigger as is the East (obviously). One of the big things I did to also save space was move closer to the pitch. Currently the Mem has 4m roughly between the Blackthorn & the pitch. The West stand is even further due to the slope. Ended up putting a load of gates on the West stand as the path is only 3 metres wide, so it helps with queues. South stand is now the away end & due to space, is only accessible via the side. Actually the most I enjoyed building a stadium as a hobby. Looking forward to Wael's call A very good effort, sir, although it does look strangely familiar. I can't quite place it. Damn, didn’t notice that 😂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 11:21:06 GMT
Can anybody recall why that never went ahead, as why get pp then never proceed with the plans? So BCC have given us pp 3 times for Mem redevelopment but we've never proceeded with one of them. The application was not proceeded with as the planners had included a condition that the bars etc must close by 11pm, (entirely reasonable considering the close proximity of the housing). The club thought that there would not be sufficient income streams to make any more re-development possible, so abandoned the plan and came up with the student accommodation financed total re-build. Ironically I think that might still be viable, but we have been off on a UWE wild goose chase for years now and no-one now knows where we are, or where we are heading. The north stand would have been the same height as the current east stand. As part of the application, the council wanted a phasing plan for the rest of the stadium, which I have included below. north stand by , on Flickr phases by , on Flickr That was the excuse given Womble but the truth is the club never had the money to build it and never did from the outset. Of this I am 100% certain.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 11, 2019 11:38:18 GMT
The application was not proceeded with as the planners had included a condition that the bars etc must close by 11pm, (entirely reasonable considering the close proximity of the housing). The club thought that there would not be sufficient income streams to make any more re-development possible, so abandoned the plan and came up with the student accommodation financed total re-build. Ironically I think that might still be viable, but we have been off on a UWE wild goose chase for years now and no-one now knows where we are, or where we are heading. The north stand would have been the same height as the current east stand. As part of the application, the council wanted a phasing plan for the rest of the stadium, which I have included below. north stand by , on Flickr phases by , on Flickr That was the excuse given Womble but the truth is the club never had the money to build it and never did from the outset. Of this I am 100% certain. Safe to assume even if you dont know. When have we ever had tbat sort of finance. I assume it was more about precednt for developing the site should the need/time arrive down the line
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 11:40:01 GMT
myalbum.com/album/Q9vwJK3MHIdCThe finished stadium development. Roughly 18,000, with the view to expand the North Terrace, I originally started building it 2-tiered but ultimately didn't like the look of it. South stand only goes roughly 2 metres higher than the current. West Stand is actually lower. North Stand is bigger as is the East (obviously). One of the big things I did to also save space was move closer to the pitch. Currently the Mem has 4m roughly between the Blackthorn & the pitch. The West stand is even further due to the slope. Ended up putting a load of gates on the West stand as the path is only 3 metres wide, so it helps with queues. South stand is now the away end & due to space, is only accessible via the side. Actually the most I enjoyed building a stadium as a hobby. Looking forward to Wael's call A very good effort, sir, although it does look strangely familiar. I can't quite place it. Yea.. ones real..ones fantasy.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2019 12:19:24 GMT
The application was not proceeded with as the planners had included a condition that the bars etc must close by 11pm, (entirely reasonable considering the close proximity of the housing). The club thought that there would not be sufficient income streams to make any more re-development possible, so abandoned the plan and came up with the student accommodation financed total re-build. Ironically I think that might still be viable, but we have been off on a UWE wild goose chase for years now and no-one now knows where we are, or where we are heading. The north stand would have been the same height as the current east stand. As part of the application, the council wanted a phasing plan for the rest of the stadium, which I have included below. north stand by , on Flickr phases by , on Flickr That was the excuse given Womble but the truth is the club never had the money to build it and never did from the outset. Of this I am 100% certain. Do you have an idea of costs?
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Post by womble on Mar 11, 2019 19:29:01 GMT
That was the excuse given Womble but the truth is the club never had the money to build it and never did from the outset. Of this I am 100% certain. Do you have an idea of costs? Holmes may have a better idea, but for a basic set up, about £1,000 per seat. As the level of facilities goes up, so does the cost, but the income from lettable space increases, so the overall cost to the club goes down. The right schemes can be self funding. The student accommodation version of the Mem should have paid for itself. Using that formula, the North Stand should have been in the £5m+ bracket.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 11, 2019 22:53:36 GMT
myalbum.com/album/Q9vwJK3MHIdCThe finished stadium development. Roughly 18,000, with the view to expand the North Terrace, I originally started building it 2-tiered but ultimately didn't like the look of it. South stand only goes roughly 2 metres higher than the current. West Stand is actually lower. North Stand is bigger as is the East (obviously). One of the big things I did to also save space was move closer to the pitch. Currently the Mem has 4m roughly between the Blackthorn & the pitch. The West stand is even further due to the slope. Ended up putting a load of gates on the West stand as the path is only 3 metres wide, so it helps with queues. South stand is now the away end & due to space, is only accessible via the side. Actually the most I enjoyed building a stadium as a hobby. Looking forward to Wael's call Gassy, You currently have more vision for our club than the owners themselves. I don’t know how long that took you, but if you really, and I mean really had an intention, a desire as well as the resources to carry out such a plan, I bet a paid professional with all the costings could come up with that inside a week. It actually just goes to show that they have none of the above.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Mar 11, 2019 23:00:56 GMT
myalbum.com/album/Q9vwJK3MHIdCThe finished stadium development. Roughly 18,000, with the view to expand the North Terrace, I originally started building it 2-tiered but ultimately didn't like the look of it. South stand only goes roughly 2 metres higher than the current. West Stand is actually lower. North Stand is bigger as is the East (obviously). One of the big things I did to also save space was move closer to the pitch. Currently the Mem has 4m roughly between the Blackthorn & the pitch. The West stand is even further due to the slope. Ended up putting a load of gates on the West stand as the path is only 3 metres wide, so it helps with queues. South stand is now the away end & due to space, is only accessible via the side. Actually the most I enjoyed building a stadium as a hobby. Looking forward to Wael's call Gassy, You currently have more vision for our club than the owners themselves. I don’t know how long that took you, but if you really, and I mean really had an intention, a desire as well as the resources to carry out such a plan, I bet a paid professional with all the costings could come up with that inside a week. It actually just goes to show that they have none of the above. A week?! I know the club are moving at a glacial pace (at best) but if you believe a professional team can design a brand new stadium complex in a week you are rather naive. There is a huge difference in playing with Sketchup or Lego and actually getting the job done correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 0:15:11 GMT
Do you have an idea of costs? Holmes may have a better idea, but for a basic set up, about £1,000 per seat. As the level of facilities goes up, so does the cost, but the income from lettable space increases, so the overall cost to the club goes down. The right schemes can be self funding. The student accommodation version of the Mem should have paid for itself. Using that formula, the North Stand should have been in the £5m+ bracket. Well worked out Womble.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 0:32:13 GMT
That was the excuse given Womble but the truth is the club never had the money to build it and never did from the outset. Of this I am 100% certain. Safe to assume even if you dont know. When have we ever had tbat sort of finance. I assume it was more about precednt for developing the site should the need/time arrive down the line You would have hoped that sort of forward thinking was involved.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 12, 2019 7:35:43 GMT
myalbum.com/album/Q9vwJK3MHIdCThe finished stadium development. Roughly 18,000, with the view to expand the North Terrace, I originally started building it 2-tiered but ultimately didn't like the look of it. South stand only goes roughly 2 metres higher than the current. West Stand is actually lower. North Stand is bigger as is the East (obviously). One of the big things I did to also save space was move closer to the pitch. Currently the Mem has 4m roughly between the Blackthorn & the pitch. The West stand is even further due to the slope. Ended up putting a load of gates on the West stand as the path is only 3 metres wide, so it helps with queues. South stand is now the away end & due to space, is only accessible via the side. Actually the most I enjoyed building a stadium as a hobby. Looking forward to Wael's call Gassy, You currently have more vision for our club than the owners themselves. I don’t know how long that took you, but if you really, and I mean really had an intention, a desire as well as the resources to carry out such a plan, I bet a paid professional with all the costings could come up with that inside a week. It actually just goes to show that they have none of the above. Thanks for the kind words. I'm starting to save the pennies now It took me about 10 hours roughly. A genuine design of stairs, kitting out of details, mathematical equations for support/infrastructure etc would realistically take an architect 6 months to do it properly. However, whilst I've admitted earlier in the thread that I am an amateur (clearly) and it's a hobby of mine - I just wanted to see what could fit in the space. As you've mentioned, if the owners really wanted to develop the men stand by stand, they could do it.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 12, 2019 7:45:36 GMT
Gassy, You currently have more vision for our club than the owners themselves. I don’t know how long that took you, but if you really, and I mean really had an intention, a desire as well as the resources to carry out such a plan, I bet a paid professional with all the costings could come up with that inside a week. It actually just goes to show that they have none of the above. A week?! I know the club are moving at a glacial pace (at best) but if you believe a professional team can design a brand new stadium complex in a week you are rather naive. There is a huge difference in playing with Sketchup or Lego and actually getting the job done correctly. I didn’t say architect it. I said create a vision with an idea on costs. For example, come up with an aesthetically pleasing design in 3D of the exterior and stand gradients that it could be largely modelled on and then work out a cost per m2 of the build.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 12, 2019 8:09:34 GMT
A week?! I know the club are moving at a glacial pace (at best) but if you believe a professional team can design a brand new stadium complex in a week you are rather naive. There is a huge difference in playing with Sketchup or Lego and actually getting the job done correctly. I didn’t say architect it. I said create a vision with an idea on costs. For example, come up with an aesthetically pleasing design in 3D of the exterior and stand gradients that it could be largely modelled on and then work out a cost per m2 of the build. Good shout. And I guess in theory they could even adjust that to local restrictions as to what is likely/unlikely to pass. I'd imagine the club goes to quite a few architects & they all put together a tender, or they go to a specific architect & tell them to put forward a few different basic designs
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 12, 2019 8:29:14 GMT
A week?! I know the club are moving at a glacial pace (at best) but if you believe a professional team can design a brand new stadium complex in a week you are rather naive. There is a huge difference in playing with Sketchup or Lego and actually getting the job done correctly. I didn’t say architect it. I said create a vision with an idea on costs. For example, come up with an aesthetically pleasing design in 3D of the exterior and stand gradients that it could be largely modelled on and then work out a cost per m2 of the build. How do you know they haven't discussed the pros and cons and having done so decided that a stadium elsewhere is a better option?
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 12, 2019 10:51:00 GMT
I didn’t say architect it. I said create a vision with an idea on costs. For example, come up with an aesthetically pleasing design in 3D of the exterior and stand gradients that it could be largely modelled on and then work out a cost per m2 of the build. How do you know they haven't discussed the pros and cons and having done so decided that a stadium elsewhere is a better option? Do you honestly believe they have?
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Post by axegas on Mar 12, 2019 12:29:51 GMT
How do you know they haven't discussed the pros and cons and having done so decided that a stadium elsewhere is a better option? Do you honestly believe they have? I do, they seem to quite to be quite proactive when it comes to the small upgrades on the mem. No reason to suggest they haven't at least had a discussion about anything more.
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Post by baggins on Mar 12, 2019 12:33:29 GMT
Can anyone, even those with extreme faith in Wael (I used to be one), honestly see us in a new stadium within 5 years?
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